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That's a cool story, but just not true.
Don't believe every bullshit your mates tell you.
And especially don't repost them on the Internet as an IT professional without checking the facts.

Azure accounts are not the same as your Microsoft consumer account.
You can still use your other Microsoft services, if your Xbox account gets banned for gaming related stuff.
If you Microsoft rewards account gets closed, because of fraud, you can still use everything else.
I never heard of a case that locks you out of everything unless they try to protect your account. (And that isn't unique to any ecosystem)
I have porn on my Onedrive stored for years. And while it's legal in my jurisdiction it would be considered CP in the US for example. (Having nudes of yourself while being underaged)
 

Andri

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Mar 20, 2018
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Isn't this the digital future we DIDN'T want when X1 was launched?
It has little to nothing to do with xbox though.
Seems you really want to be angry at XB specifically, for something that can happen to any account based system.

The digital future people didnt want when X1 launched was the one without physical games, something that has already happened on the Steam ecosystem you want to go "back" to.
 
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BubblegumNemesis
Feb 1, 2018
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That's a cool story, but just not true.
Don't believe every bullshit your mates tell you.
And especially don't repost them on the Internet as an IT professional without checking the facts.

Azure accounts are not the same as your Microsoft consumer account.
You can still use your other Microsoft services, if your Xbox account gets banned for gaming related stuff.
If you Microsoft rewards account gets closed, because of fraud, you can still use everything else.
I never heard of a case that locks you out of everything unless they try to protect your account. (And that isn't unique to any ecosystem)
I have porn on my Onedrive stored for years. And while it's legal in my jurisdiction it would be considered CP in the US for example. (Having nudes of yourself while being underaged)

You log on to your Azure account using your MS account. You can't use your XBox any more once your account is blocked unless you have set it as your "home console" or unless you use it with another account. Obviously your XBox still works, just not with your original account.

For a lot of people, this means no more games you bought over the years.

People seem to think that this is ok somehow?

Hey.. in my appartement you can't make noise after 22h. Imagine I had a big party until 24h and the next day my landlord locks my door and says... I will think about this for 60 days.

I don't want to explain to my daughter all her stuff is gone, hence I am moving to PC again. I will keep my XBox account for GP only next gen. At least that doesn't feel like I own digital stuff, it is a rental service and that is pretty clear. I still have a huge backlog, so I am good gaming wise.
 

digitalrelic

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This is one of the stupidest fucking threads I've ever read on here.

Literally saying to stay away from MS because they enforce their TOS when you store illegal content on their servers?

Oh, the humanity.
 

Badcoo

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May 9, 2018
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Same happened with me and Google, OP. Someone actually hacked in my account back in 2011 and I lost everything. Tried the recovery form and everything - nothing happen. Just made another account and moved on.

It's not just the MS ecosystem.
 

Lobster Roll

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OP fucks up royally in a way that nobody else - oh wait let me start over

OP's *FRIEND* wink wink fucks up in a way that nobody else in this thread will repeat, so he's here to convince everybody to leave the Microsoft ecosystem because this friend had uploaded [REDACTED].
 

TeenageFBI

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Anyway, the lesson here is to encrypt everything you backup to the Cloud so they can't go snooping through your shit. VeraCrypt is free and not that hard to use.
I've been looking into this and VeraCrypt is nice in how it's open source and appears to be bulletproof but is it really a good idea for OneDrive? Doesn't it store all of your encrypted files in a single volume? So if you're using several hundred gigabyes on OneDrive, even minor updates will require you to completely re-upload the volume (OneDrive doesn't do differential syncs).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding it..
 

Franco_Tech

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Hmm then you posted this and for me lost pretty much all credibility.

Just because you don't share it doesn't mean you can backup illegally obtained files. That's some very stretched thinking.
The problem is if you have the mp3 or you forgot to delete the video of night porn watch or whatever and is in auto sync you could be in trouble without known it
 

KernelC

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Ok here we go… long post. Sit tight and prepare for a story of horror, madness and pure pain.

Like a lot of IT professionals, I am heavily invested in the Microsoft eco-system. When it works, everything is fantastic and everything is connected, but when it fails, it is like your digital life gets nuked out of existence. One of my colleagues at work has, just like me and probably a lot of us, a Microsoft account since the OG Xbox days. This means he has been a loyal MS customer for 20 years or so. He has Office, Gamepass, Live, an EA subscription, a Visual Studio pro sub and has quite a bit of projects running on Azure (paid).

So about 4 weeks ago, suddenly his account got "locked" because of "suspicious activity". Ms declares that you can unlock this by filling in a form and they will get back to you within 24 hours.

A locked account? What does this mean for the loyal MS customer? And what does it mean for a gamer?
  • No more access to your emails
  • No more access to OneDrive (and your backups and your old pictures/files/…). This is REALLY bad since OneDrive is constantly advertising to use it as a backup system. Never lose your files. Yeah sure… NOT! Some people have 20 year old family pictures on this and not locally synced. Can you imagine?
  • No more OneNote and no more Office. If you are relying on Office for daily business or actual work, you can kiss all that goodbye.
  • No more Xbox Live. If you didn't set your Xbox as your "home console" (my colleague didn't do this since he didn't need it) it is basically bricked. That nice and expensive Xbox One X is now effectively useless.
  • Gamepass… forget it. Not on Xbox and not on PC.
  • EA access, bye!
  • Even if you have your Xbox as home console, you can play offline. That means all your grinding and building you did in online games (Fortnite, Apex, Minecraft,..) is now effectively gone. My colleague has 3 kids, try to explain to them they can't continue Fortnite or Minecraft. Seriously… try to imagine this.
  • These 1000s of Euros/Dollars of games you have…. Hahahah… you wish sucker.
  • Using that fancy new Edge Chromium browser? Lol… suddenly it doesn't work so good any more.
  • Have kid accounts linked to your main account as a family account? Oh dear… no way to manage those any more.
  • Using Azure for development or hosting websites? Gone, locked out.
  • Using Azure DevOps to develop code and deploy? Bye.
  • And all the time you are locked, MS keeps charging you for your services. Gamepass, Live, EA access, Azure…. Keep paying sucker.

All this would be a minor inconvenience *if* MS could resolve this in a few days. But here is the kicker… usually it lasts 30-90 days!!! Also they do not communicate and you have no way to see what the status of your unlock request is. To make it EVEN MORE crazy, in many cases they just lock your account permanently.

Ha I hear you say…. But he got his account locked because he is obviously a dirty criminal?

Sure… a guy with a 20 year old account is surely doing stuff wrong on purpose Microsoft. Yeah… that must be it.

We did quite a bit of research online and asked a lot of other people how they think they got locked. Turns out it isn't that hard. One of the main culprits seems to be OneDrive. Remember it is advertised as a backup solution? Well backing up "illegal stuff" from your HDD can get you locked. Nudes? Porn? Maybe some illegal MP3s, some movies? Maybe even some roms? Yes, locked you pos criminal! Syncing pictures from your iPhone to OneDrive? Oh anything suspicious (your gf/bf naked? Maybe some pictures of your kids in the bath?). LOCKED!

I was under the impression you could do whatever you wanted on OneDrive as long as you didn't share it? Seems like MS thinks differently.

Anyway… I am personally moving away from MS after all that happened before my eyes. Moving my gaming back to PC and Steam. Basically your whole digital life gets deleted because some AI script detected "illegal activities" on one of your services. It just isn't worth it. It will take time and effort but I can't see this happening to me next gen. I will keep GP on my two X1X machines, but I will not invest any more in the MS "dream". This was more or less what people rebelled against when the XB1 was announced. It seems it happened right before our noses.

I am sure it can happen on other platforms, but because MS platform is so expansive and so extensive, the impact is incredible.

Stay away from the MS ecosystem, you have been warned.
this is what happened to me but everyone keeps telling me I am just a hater not worth their time. They dont know what it's like to have their account locked. I was in middle school and had moved from Mexico to the UK. Microsoft said it was suspicious and they locked my account. Couldn't play X360, check my emails, use MSN, etc
 

Kyry

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The idea of losing access to content because Microsoft thinks its distasteful is problematic. How do they deem a file is illegal without knowing the content or origin?
For example the difference between a ROM i ripped with a Retrode and one thats been on file sharing since the late 90s? Between an MP3 I ripped and one thats been on file sharing since the late 90s? Do they do a file differential or something? It doesnt seem like that would work for something like an MSDN Windows iso that was later put up for illegal download.
 

JoJoBae

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OP fucks up royally in a way that nobody else - oh wait let me start over

OP's *FRIEND* wink wink fucks up in a way that nobody else in this thread will repeat, so he's here to convince everybody to leave the Microsoft ecosystem because this friend had uploaded [REDACTED].
Right? They even forgot they were supposed to be talking about their friend here

I don't want to explain to my daughter all her stuff is gone, hence I am moving to PC again. I will keep my XBox account for GP only next gen. At least that doesn't feel like I own digital stuff, it is a rental service and that is pretty clear. I still have a huge backlog, so I am good gaming wise.
 

collige

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Rofl @ "illegal mp3's". there's absolutely no way for Microsoft to tell if what you're uploading was pirated.
 
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BubblegumNemesis
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OP fucks up royally in a way that nobody else - oh wait let me start over

OP's *FRIEND* wink wink fucks up in a way that nobody else in this thread will repeat, so he's here to convince everybody to leave the Microsoft ecosystem because this friend had uploaded [REDACTED].
Can you stop being a fucking idiot? If it was me I would have said so. WTF would that even influence the original post?
 

Sejanoz

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I read the title in her voice:

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Melchiah

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Hmm then you posted this and for me lost pretty much all credibility.

Just because you don't share it doesn't mean you can backup illegally obtained files. That's some very stretched thinking.

How is the illegality of MP3s defined? As in, if I had stored MP3s of my own band, and those of my friends which they've given to me, could the algorithm interpret them as illegal copies?
 
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Doesn't the Personal Vault thing in OneDrive do that? So you could shove everything in there. Not sure if it has a limit on space though.
Not sure as I'm not using OneDrive myself, but I wouldn't put my faith in the cloud storage provider also being my encryption provider and not being able to read my files.

I've been looking into this and VeraCrypt is nice in how it's open source and appears to be bulletproof but is it really a good idea for OneDrive? Doesn't it store all of your encrypted files in a single volume? So if you're using several hundred gigabyes on OneDrive, even minor updates will require you to completely re-upload the volume (OneDrive doesn't do differential syncs).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding it..
I guess if you could mount a volume that is stored within OneDrive, then you could access that volume to do your backups as if it was a just local storage device. I'm not sure if that's possible though, since you'd need to be able to point VeraCrypt at the container that's in OneDrive.
 

Kyry

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You log on to your Azure account using your MS account. You can't use your XBox any more once your account is blocked unless you have set it as your "home console" or unless you use it with another account. Obviously your XBox still works, just not with your original account.

For a lot of people, this means no more games you bought over the years.

People seem to think that this is ok somehow?

Hey.. in my appartement you can't make noise after 22h. Imagine I had a big party until 24h and the next day my landlord locks my door and says... I will think about this for 60 days.

I don't want to explain to my daughter all her stuff is gone, hence I am moving to PC again. I will keep my XBox account for GP only next gen. At least that doesn't feel like I own digital stuff, it is a rental service and that is pretty clear. I still have a huge backlog, so I am good gaming wise.

Ok? no. Legal yes.

You likely sign a rental agreement disallowing your landlord to take that kind of action.

You agree to an EULA that lets Microsoft take exactly that kind of action.
 

CosmicGP

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The first thing I did when I moved to Win 10 was Google how to disable onedrive for good. Yeah, let you have access to all my files? You wish, MS.

If I need lots of cloud storage, I'll pay for a service. I'm always suspicious of 'free' services. *cough* apple iCloud hacks*cough*
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, your IT friend should have known better than to trust MS to handle all of that under only one account, and for 20 years! Redundancy is so important for data backup, too. Digital + physical backup is the way to go nowadays.

Microsoft shouldn't be trusted with anything more than their operating system, imo. I don't trust them at ALL
 

RF Switch

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Oct 31, 2017
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So I learned to not store illegal files in the cloud that I could easily store locally...got it
 

THEVOID

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I think the takeaway is stay away from having one account for work and personal. It's not realistic to stay away from MS eco when so many business rely on it.
 

Keikaku

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Oct 27, 2017
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Ridiculous. I have all kinds of stuff on Google drive and never had any problems. All my pictures, of which some are nudes, mp3s etc.

Never put all your eggs in one basket folks.
 

SinkFla

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Oct 26, 2017
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Lol no.

Also you think if my storage facility down the road finds Black Market P04N0 and bricks of sweet delicious Tony Montana approved coke they'll let me rent it for another month?
 

Terror-Billy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait, what? You can be blocked for storing nudes? Brb, moving them from Onedrive to Google.
 

Hrodulf

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Funny story. I have legally obtained backups of games I own hosted on my OneDrive in a folder named "Roms and ISOs" and have for about 6 years now, and I've never once been locked out of my account for it.

Something tells me your friend had content far more illegal than just some Roms being backed up...
The OP also mentions mp3s and movies, which they typically crack down on way harder than video games or pretty much anything else. If you pirate things, especially film and music, you are pretty much asking them to burn your account to the ground. I would think most "IT professionals" would be able to figure that out on their own after a semester or two of university.
 
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