You don't think people would start driving way faster and more recklessly, and with unregistered vehicles, to name just one possible peril?
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Starbucks granted a employees request and escorted a group of customers out of the store. Those customers were cops.
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Not trying to argue.... but this is a serious reply. I was on the highway about six months ago. Car in front of us swerves and nearly hits the median. Then again. Then almost hits a car. I keep my distance. I then see it almost run into the middle median again.
I call 911. I say there is a vehicle on mile marker X acting erratically, and I give more info.
That night I get a call asking for more info. Cop tells me I was third to call and report, they pull over the car, and this person is high out of their mind. Completely unfit to drive. Highly possible they would/could have killed someone. A police officer is the only person who could save the day in that situation.
I have probably a dozen similar stories to this in 15 years of driving.
Does this just not happen to you at all? Could something like this not happen? It's not always about calling the cops to save you. It's sometimes about calling the cops to avoid a worse situation for others/strangers.
I live in Miami so this is already a normal part of my everyday life.
But seriously, unless I'm remembering wrong, I'm almost sure there was a story in the last few years were a municipality's police force went on strike and crime actually fell while they were gone. Although I would guess that not having anyone to document the crimes would explain a big part of that but at the same time chaos didn't ensue.
You didn't answer my question. How are cops being discriminated against? Talking shit about the organization is not discrimination. What disadvantages do they face? You are completely full of shit. I honestly think you are just trolling to get a rise out of people by using words like discrimination.
You, and others, are ignoring the fact that police forces are a rather modern invention. Their existence coincides pretty closely with the invention of capitalism.
totally a coincidence I'm sure
This is me 100% as well. It has been done, and I never mentioned it to the bosses of the Taco Bell, my boss, etc. I wasn't even from that area, and I told the manager to tell whoever was uncomfortable that I'm sorry for whatever happened that made them uncomfortable seeing me there.
Understand that cops can make people uncomfortable, but an employee asking them to leave is baffling if they purchased coffee; the person who was uncomfortable should have left instead. This is quite the slippery slope.
Edit: To expand on this a bit, I would not feel comfortable with a barista making the judgment to remove people unless they were being actively disruptive. Details of this story are necessary.
Of course choosing a profession is not be equated with race. On the flip side, who decides what professions are to be treated in this manner? If a person asks a barista to remove a group of surgeons standing in their scrubs because they make said person uncomfortable, how does the barista make the judgment whether or not this is a legitimate request? Now obviously cops deserve more scrutiny due to the systemic abuse of the system they work in, however it's easy to see that such requests are unsustainable and depend on subjective world views.
This is all for nought if the cops in this situation were harassing customers - in that case they deserve to be kicked to the curb.
Edit: To expand on this a bit, I would not feel comfortable with a barista making the judgment to remove people unless they were being actively disruptive. Details of this story are necessary.
Of course choosing a profession is not be equated with race. On the flip side, who decides what professions are to be treated in this manner? If a person asks a barista to remove a group of surgeons standing in their scrubs because they make said person uncomfortable, how does the barista make the judgment whether or not this is a legitimate request? Now obviously cops deserve more scrutiny due to the systemic abuse of the system they work in, however it's easy to see that such requests are unsustainable and depend on subjective world views.
This is all for nought if the cops in this situation were harassing customers - in that case they deserve to be kicked to the curb.
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Some posters here are loose as a goose. Congratulations! Neither you or anyone you know has a possible chance of having their human rights violated by law enforcement, getting thrown in a hole like trash, while half of America celebrates the deceased's death. Seriously I applaud y'all.
It's a lazy argument. Most people that dislike police want reform and most people that go to the extreme of wanting them disbanded probably understand how the evils of capitalism are the reason why police need is exacerbated and why racism is encouraged in the execution of law enforcement.
You didn't need help, you decided to help others. The way police apologists use the line is similar to religious people. "Ok, you think you're above believing God? Ok we'll see when <insert scenario where blasphemer is in distress>"
It's a lazy argument. Most people that dislike police want reform and most people that go to the extreme of wanting them disbanded probably understand how the evils of capitalism are the reason why police need is exacerbated and why racism is encouraged in the execution of law enforcement.
This is pretty much where I stand. It wasn't right but it was also very understandable why the customer was nervous around them. Instead of whining about oppression the police should look to finding ways to increase trust with their community and look to why the customers was so nervous just by them there. At the same time I would not blame Starbucks for writing up the employee for kicking out paying customers that were minding their own business.
Is it me or most of the thread is ignoring the facts that these local police officers have a reputation of harassing Latinos in the area. It could be possible that Latinos were at the Starbuck and felt threatened by police officers who harass their race in the past and so they asked the Starbuck employee to ask them to move. Hell, one of the Cops could have been staring the customer down, intimidating them while talking to his cop buddies.
I also find it funny, that most ppl here who are are against this employee are either: no exp being a harassed minority by the police, trolling by using a slippery slope bs argument or not reading the thread.
I also find it funny, that most ppl here who are are against this employee are either: no exp being a harassed minority by the police, trolling by using a slippery slope bs argument or not reading the thread.
I'm not against having cops at all.
My question is why aren't more cops vocal about the brutality, the profiling, the discrimination, abuse, power plays, authoritarian mindset, and so on. Why don't we ever hear the good cops speak up for those things. Because unless you are Steve Rodgers I'm not gonna feel comfortable unless you're actually a respectful individual and we can both make each other feel like we have a right to be or belong. I'm sure the percentage of bad cop clips on the internet are disproportionate to the good that they do since good news is never highlighted and you'll likely never see a cop doing a good thing as a thread on ERA. But where is the movement within the force to undo what it has perpetuated since they were realized? ERA's idea of a cop is probably a white dude who voted for Trump but there are minorities in the force that don't even speak up about these things. It's just one of those things that is more complex than what's been discussed in the thread so far.
My question is why aren't more cops vocal about the brutality, the profiling, the discrimination, abuse, power plays, authoritarian mindset, and so on. Why don't we ever hear the good cops speak up for those things. Because unless you are Steve Rodgers I'm not gonna feel comfortable unless you're actually a respectful individual and we can both make each other feel like we have a right to be or belong. I'm sure the percentage of bad cop clips on the internet are disproportionate to the good that they do since good news is never highlighted and you'll likely never see a cop doing a good thing as a thread on ERA. But where is the movement within the force to undo what it has perpetuated since they were realized? ERA's idea of a cop is probably a white dude who voted for Trump but there are minorities in the force that don't even speak up about these things. It's just one of those things that is more complex than what's been discussed in the thread so far.
Point me in the direction where you have Starbucks employees telling minorities to not be seen or get lost that are just simply there drinking coffee. You're making a false equivalence or simply not reading what I was responding to.
they sign up for the good stuff and we're supposed to let them off the hook for being racism enforcement thugs because when they're not scaring minorities and poor people they're checking on kids and smiling at old ladies crossing the street? Cops that rock the boat and make other cops uncomfortable can face aggression and violence too. That's why they're not vocal, because bullies are bullies and they'll turn on their own just as soon as they would defend them, if they could bring trouble.
except in this case, "trouble" is following the law and NOT abusing it. like the dirty cop movie trope, the one who ends up getting hunted down is the one cop who DOESN'T take the envelope of cash? Thats
where we are now.
Sounds pretty toxic.
There are stories out there of retired cops coming forward with how corrupt the system is and how racist some of the practices are. I genuinely believe the people here not understanding that have never been on the end of abuse repeatedly.
The cops wouldn't have been asked to move or leave if someone wasnt uncomfortable about something. There are totally fair reasons for people to be uncomfortable around police. Even if they weren't doing anything to cause the person to feel uncomfortable other than being cops, Starbucks still has the right to refuse service to anyone and ask anyone to leave if they so feel.
Sure there is still context that is missing but Starbucks was well within their right to do so.
Sure there is still context that is missing but Starbucks was well within their right to do so.
I actually had a conversation with my best friend about that yesterday. I've been in one or two situations with her where she has behaved in ways I would consider reckless at best and life-threatening at worst around cops and I had to explain why her doing that is legitimately terrifying to me as a black dude with dreadlocks. I swear to god some people see dreadlocks as like a +10 modifier to their fears of black people being super human monsters. I feel like it's more than fair to not get why poc can be worried about cops as long as you can respect our fairly valid concerns. I heard a comedian say that his biggest fear was walking into a room, finding a dead white girl, and then having other people hear him scream in fear and I identified with that heavy
I don't think the cops should have been asked to leave though. I probably would have been very uncomfortable too if there were cops just standing around like that but then I would just leave myself.
This is where I'm at. I'm Black, and live in a city that is 40% black (Philly), but I'm no fool. If something like this were enforceable there are entire pockets of this city where standing around drinking my purchased beverage would result in me being escorted out.
Hell! This story just reminded me that Philly is the place where two black men were escorted from a Starbucks for being "suspicious" and making people feel uncomfortable.
I don't know if I can be for this.
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They'll ask the community to come up with ways they can help better policing, as if that's the public's job in any form or fashion. Physician, heal thyself.
they weren't forced to leave, they were asked to find a seat, move out of the way, or leave. And they chose to leave and be mad they couldn't have their police-meetup in the middle of a Starbucks.
Six dudes with guns just standing around would ruin my Carmel latte too
It's a shame basic common sense like that is ignored because people have to feign offense due to politics but six armed guards posted up at the coffee house isn't a welcoming environment
It's a shame basic common sense like that is ignored because people have to feign offense due to politics but six armed guards posted up at the coffee house isn't a welcoming environment
You should read the OP. They were asked to move out of sight of the customer or leave.
I mean they're people carrying guns. It's not the same as "I don't like how that person looks, they make me uncomfortable".
Lol and? Modern society also came around about the same time as capitalism. So did electricity and modern vehicles and fire departments and EMS and medicine and whatever else.
Did you read the thread and what happened? Being asked to leave simply because you're a cop is discrimination. Reading the reactions in this thread should be alarming but obviously you aren't bothered because you probably agree. Some people are talking about the organization but most here are talking about the people behind it nice try. Just reading the posts I quoted should enlighten you so if that's not enough I'll just stop here.
This is going to blow your mind but people carry guns all the time in public that aren't cops too. You might even have lunch next to one. It's their legal right and what they are paid to do (the cops not conceal carry permit holders)
Cops do tend to have lunch together like other coworkers do. Shocker I know. We have tons of cops and swat come in to my restaurant all the time at lunch never had a single complaint. Because adults know cops are people too and deserve the same rights as anyone else.
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Did you see the video of the woman who called the cops because her neighbor threatened her and then the cops brutally arrested her for being distraught?
If the video didn't go viral, the cops who lied on the report that she somehow threatened them would not have been punished in any way for excessive force and lying on police reports.... actually, only one of the 3+ cops who brutalized the woman and lied on the report has been punished only because the video went viral
Call the cops at your own risk
I think all of this is a massive overreaction and a bit ridiculous
For a Starbucks worker to comply to a customers request about feeling "uncomfortable" about a person or group of people with no cause is a massive slippery slope. Wasn't there already a situation with a couple of African Americans being asked to leave a Starbucks for no reason except for the fact that someone didn't want them there? Here's a thought, how about the customer just leaves if they're back feeling uncomfortable? Clearly Starbucks mandatory "sensitivity" training went overboard for their employees to start ushering people out for no valid reason.
I understand the sight of cops to some is unsightly and brings about a lot of prejudice and stereotyping (rightly so to some minority groups) but unless there are some significant details being left out from this story, I think this is a terrible move by Starbucks and that employee.
For a Starbucks worker to comply to a customers request about feeling "uncomfortable" about a person or group of people with no cause is a massive slippery slope. Wasn't there already a situation with a couple of African Americans being asked to leave a Starbucks for no reason except for the fact that someone didn't want them there? Here's a thought, how about the customer just leaves if they're back feeling uncomfortable? Clearly Starbucks mandatory "sensitivity" training went overboard for their employees to start ushering people out for no valid reason.
I understand the sight of cops to some is unsightly and brings about a lot of prejudice and stereotyping (rightly so to some minority groups) but unless there are some significant details being left out from this story, I think this is a terrible move by Starbucks and that employee.
Yup, this is what I got out of it too.
It goes both ways, and a lot of the things I'm reading in this thread reek of "how's it feel pigs!" that really seem shortsighted and daft in terms of setting precedent. It can easily be used to repeat shitty offenses against PoC or other oppressed groups that make WASPs feel "uncomfortable." Like a slicing off the nose to spite the face sort of thing.
Is your wife wearing a hijab really comparable to six men with guns standing around the coffee shop?
I feel like common sense is being thrown out in favor of spicy takes
Police officers are usually the only ones allowed to open carry, no such thing as a place with no weapons actually allowed, somebody always has one around
Maybe his wife is Jason Bourne and she could kill those six cops with that hijab.
I wouldn't call the cops unless it's an absolute last resort. There have been cases where people have called the cops and only made the situation worse if you are a minority.
I don't trust the police out here in PHX
This is a great point, there is this awesome market that sells sandwiches, beers that always have a man in blue there it seems like when I go in. They always seem
To have a great relationship with the shop keeper.
I don't think police unions can strike, but if they did, I'm guessing this just means crimes aren't being logged because, well they are on strike.
Maybe even worse to millions upon millions of prejudiced, bigoted assholes.
But literally not even close to the same thing by any reasonable measure
Yup. Starbucks put in a request for customers to no longer open carry on stores (LEO can be OC tho)
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Were you making a point there anywhere that refuted what I said? If you feel that society would collapse without law enforcement then explain how we're here at all when law enforcement didn't exist for 99% of human history.
It actually wasn't a strike now that I think about it, it was a mass sick-out but I still can't remember exactly where it was. If I can figure it out I'll post the story.