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Starbucks granted a employees request and escorted a group of customers out of the store. Those customers were cops.
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You're right, it would be more productive for me to spend my time caping for cops on a video game forum.
Is it? When people say legalized gang, they're not like, joking. It's not hyperbole.
Man, I wish I was part of the group where a group of heavily armed people with a license to kill doesn't make them feel uncomfortable.
At least they would be held to a higher standard under the law than cops currently are.
What is with people (and I mean Right-leaning people) trying to co-opt the 4th of July as being a way to celebrate the military and Vets? We got Veteran's Day and Memorial Day, yo. 4th of July is about the NATION'S Independence. It's for EVERYBODY. One could argue that soldiers were important to that independance, and I'd say, yeah, those Vets of the Revolutionary War should be saluted, but I doubt you'd fine many around nowadays.
A cop could at any point, for any reason, put a bunch of bullets in me and most likely get off with paid leave. Why the fuck wouldn't I be uncomfortable at any point around them?
Like, I get era is almost all white and will never have to deal with this, but just think about it a bit and use some empathy.
I can think of a million threads where I'm like "The cop was wrong." or "That person was wrong to call the cops."
But this feels...like something you shouldn't do...even if you want to. This is the kind of thing that feeds the people who want to defend cops no matter what they do.
But this feels...like something you shouldn't do...even if you want to. This is the kind of thing that feeds the people who want to defend cops no matter what they do.
Yes. I would trust a guy going around making citizens arrests before a cop.
this thread will experience severe whiplash when its revealed it was a middle aged white soccer mom who asked for the cops to be removed
Is it now?
You seem to be complimenting them for not abusing their power and breaking the law.
The only legal and reasonable thing to do in that situation is to fucking move or leave, the fact that you think that this is something that deserves praise speaks volumes of the low bar we set for police in this country.
I mean I get you on some level, it's not hard to imagine the cops losing their shit in that situation, and yeah, it's good that they didn't, but I really don't think this is a praiseworthy thing, and as long as we demand so little from cops, we'll never see any sort of change.
So why do minorities feel uncomfortable around cops and try to avoid them?
Here's a chart on people shot to death by the police broken down by race:
White victims make up 40% of the deaths in 2018, but make up 70% of the population according to the 2010 census.
Reciprocally black victims make up 20% of the deaths in 2018 while only being 17% of the population.
Hispanics are 14% of the list and 16% of the population.
Vox has a few more charts that paint the picture more fully:
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So no, I don't feel it is a false equivalence given law enforcements attitude, treatment and history of minorities in this country to refer to them as murderers and be scared of them.
Good. Police aren't a protected class. They chose to be professional assholes. And this was in an area where the police force regularly harass latinx people. So they can fuck off.
And to follow up my previous post here is an article about police shooting specifically in Phoenix, the biggest city in Arizona:
So yes, again, these people do have a reason to fear the police.
- Hispanic people were shot most often. They make up 43% of Phoenix's population and 42% of those shot.
- White people make up 42% of the city's population and 38% of those shot.
- Black people make up 7% of the city's population and 14% of those shot.
- Native American people made up 2% of the city's population and 6% of those shot.
So yes, again, these people do have a reason to fear the police.
I used to work at the Century Theaters in Aurora, Colorado and that rings like a large possibility.
Considering the pettiness of police:
"911 what's your emergency?"
"PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SMASH INTO MY STORE. THEY HAVE GUNS AND SAY THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ME! SEND HELP!"
"Alright, the police are on their way."
"Attempted robbery and possible harm at 123 Fake Street. Suspects are armed."
"Hmm, they did say we can't buy donuts there. Let's take our time."
You need to be banned when you could just leave volutarily, you attention seeking buffoon?
I mean, I would definitely enjoy that since you havent even bothered to articulate your position in the tiniest way.
Before someone goes and talk about "slippery slopes", being a cop is an occupation. You can't choose what ethnicity you're born as.
They don't even have a legal requirement to protect you.
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (Published 2005)
Supreme Court rules that police do not have constitutional duty to protect person from harm, even woman who obtained court-issued protective order against violent husband which made arrest mandatory for violation; decision overturns ruling by federal appeals court in Colorado; it had permitted...
Absolutely true. Not an option for small businesses but big corps like Starbucks can take the L. Maybe donut shops as well. Who really has more power in the cop-donut shop paradigm?
That's the irony of all of that crap, cops are purposely dress up in the way that would be intimidating.
You can argue Not All Cops all you want, but I think it's very hard to argue that police departments don't think that having people afraid of cops is a good thing.
That's of course doesn't stop them from whining any time that people are intimidated by them in a way that isn't just compliance.
Terrible comparison. They chose to be cops, with full knowledge of public perception of that occupation. A job and a sexual orientation are not equivalent things and it's ridiculous to compare them in this circumstance. And even if it weren't ridiculous, the homophobe is irrational in his fear, while the customer afraid of police violence is simply informed. Yeah yeah, "not all cops" or whatever. "Not all airline passengers," too, in fact almost literally NO airline passengers, but I still have to take my fucking shoes off before I get on a plane, don't I?
If the cops were basically loitering around, standing and not sitting, I have no problem believing that would make some people uncomfortable and find the request to be reasonable.
Cops regularly detain and arrest people without a shred of proof that their detainees have done anything to anyone. And no one's obligated to take their side in these cases, and yet bigots regularly do.
So it's not surprising that people would be uncomfortable around them. It should be the least surprising event. Especially in this part of Arizona, where this happened, where cops regularly detain and harass latinx people with prejudice. Being uncomfortable with cops is the rational response until cops stop power tripping and racially profiling.
This is the core of it: Normalizing being asked to leave simply for existing will go very badly for minorities, as they are after all, minorities.
Cops exhibit indefensible behavior on a regular basis. I agree. I'm just saying there's no evidence of that here. I don't like fucking cops following me. One followed me to a drive through one time. It made me uncomfortable. I don't think he should be denied a milkshake at Mcdonald's though.
They're cops so it's safest to assume they're corrupt, violent and very racist.
I don't feel safe in a room with someone that has a gun, period.
The cafeteria of the place I work at has ATMs and whenever they refill the money the guy is accompanied with dudes that look like they are entering a war zone and I'd rather just leave than being there in case something happens.
The cafeteria of the place I work at has ATMs and whenever they refill the money the guy is accompanied with dudes that look like they are entering a war zone and I'd rather just leave than being there in case something happens.
The cops were not denied service. They were asked to avoid loitering. If they want to be treated like a pedestrian then they should dress down on their breaks so that they don't come off as the militants they are.
Fear in the American police force is absolutely rational. I don't think it's unreasonable for anybody to be uncomfortable in the presence of police. I agree with almost everything you said, and yet I think the bolded is wrong.
I don't think the comparison is terrible. I don't believe a shop should have a blanket policy that if somebody is made uncomfortable by your presence you may be asked to leave; regardless of the rationality of the fear, I think it's wrong to be asked to leave just because your mere presence in the absence of any other threatening or intimidating behaviour, and I think it's wrong precisely because of the comparison which I've made and have had personal experience with (because homophobes aren't viewing their fear as 'irrational' I can assure you). I think trying to take it on a case-by-case basis and arguing the 'rationality' of why they are uncomfortable by somebody else's presence is prone to abuse and it should simply not be acceptable.
Cops aren't judged as intimidating because all of the are proven murderers. They are judged as such because they exist in a system where any given cop can murder someone and get away with it. The fact that you don't know which individuals will go on to murder someone doesn't make that fact any less palatable.
Like, it would be like if someone brought their pet grizzly bear into my house. Just because it hasn't been recorded eating a person doesn't mean I'm not going to be intimidated by what I know bears can do to human bodies.