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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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It's the apex of her arc and it's insignificant. That's the problem.
I don't know why everyone seems to think this when this has been said since at least early 2016. I'm pretty sure IX was meant as the end since the beginning of this trilogy.
Insignificant in the context of her character growth you mean? For me it establishes her willingness to confront Palpatine in spite of her vision of going to the dark side.
I'm aware I'm in the minority here but I thought elements like Superman Leia, Rey's power progression and Snoke's backstory are all made cleaner with this movie.
When I saw it in Dolby, Palpatine with the bass drop was a bit funny
You don't necessarily need to be a Jedi Master to be one's teacher and have one call you master.
So how come they can't hyperspace jump in TLJ but can do so in the movie afterwards? It makes no sense that they come back to the main ship just to be chased down and unable to do anything.
Is there any reason for the individual fighters to use the fuel when they can dock? TIE fighters magically gained that option (on certain model) after, though.
My point is that this entire sequel trilogy is full of really bad plot points made that don't make sense when compared to the other movies that established norms.
It sounds great in Dolby. The IMAX theater here was egregiously loud. I might actually email the theater because it was obnoxious. The bass is so severe in that theater that it actually puts the projector out of focus.
It's hilarious and also a little telling that the idea of Leia using the Force is completely incomprehensible unless we're shown Luke training Leia.
When did they say in TLJ that X-Wings can't go to hyperspace?
he is talking about the x wings apparently
i fucking hated that particularly backlash of TLJ
like the fucking twin sister of luke, grandaughter of the force it self... how is she able to use the force?!!
What's the reason they come back to the ship in such a rush before the main ship hyper jumps, other then to be a plot point to have all the ships in one convenient place to be destroyed?
In previous movies, these ships are in defense formations and hyper jump alongside the main cruisers.
Again, it's part of this continuing trend of weird plot devices used to further the story into an over arching plot that doesn't make sense.
Well when they were going to go to their X-Wings and stuff, the entire hanger got blown to bits when they found out they were being chased...
Seriously, does anyone else feel Rey's entire character was ruined with this film? Like, was was the point of this entire trilogy? Also, why would anyone be Rey's friend? She's a terrible friend.
I'm not talking about the hangar being boomed.
They fight the dreadnaught.
They begin retreating.
All of the fighters return to the main cruiser (Poe implying there is a sense of urgency to do this).
Then the cruiser jumps.
Then the first order tracks them and jumps to them, and then their hangar is boomed, rest of the movie happens.
These fighters in previous movies are used to defend the cruisers and can hyperjump with them, but yet are supposedly unable to do so in TLJ and Luke's xwing is able to do so after being in the water for who knows how long?
The plots of these movies do not seem on a proper track, right? They ignore what previous movies do.
TRoS does an incredibly similar thing by not mentioning the hyper space ramming when all the ships begin launching on the sith world. We know a main cruise and a hyper space ram can take out multiple ships, but suddenly its not even thought of? It's wild.
The core problem is that JJ does what he does in the first movie and tries to make everything a mystery. Who is Rey? What's her story?? RJ tries to do something that that in an interesting way and then JJ just barrels forward with his mystery box shit to the end with the Palpatine nonsense. She ends up being a character that goes from charming to interesting to boring over the course of three movies.
Anyone think they're gonna make a Rey movie where she finds Ben Solo in the netherworld of the force?
Well it could be a number of things:
The fighters were just in a battle, you can tell Poe obviously burned a lot of fuel due to his X-Wing modification.
Presumably they docked with the intention of getting away completely to regroup with everyone on board. They had no idea Snoke's ship was going to show up.
I don't think it was a matter of unable being to do so, rather they just chose not to do it.
No, only the Raddus could pull off that maneuver due to its experimental shields.
Your point about the X-wings is more valid, it was probably just a plot device.
I don't understand what your issue is? All the Resistance has left is their flagship basically and the lighter ships retreat back to the hanger. That includes the x wings and the a-wings. Also, the Resistance was doing this on the fly and didn't have a rendezvous destination. It makes sense that the ships returned to the Raddus
Insignificant in the context of the film. It has no build up and no real payoff. He don't see her despair, we don't see her decide to give up, we don't see her struggle with doing the right thing and we don't see her steel her resolve. Instead we get sort of rough descriptions and vague allusions to these events. If anything the moment is framed more as a hero moment for Luke, triumphantly raising an Xwing, than it is as a significant moment for Rey.
They did the bare minimum to check of the box.
I get what you're saying...but there is no hint at all that they are unable to jump. They simply chose to jump together. I mean, if they had jumped separately, they would have docked immediately after reaching their new destination anyway. And until ROS, it was assumed that jumping took time and calculations, so it would make sense that the capital ship was preparing for the entire fight, while the fighters were not.
It's not a big leap at all.
Has someone compiled a list of all the plot points that don't make sense/contradict already established norms and inconsistencies with this film when compared to the rest of the series?
I should also add that it's not like Star Destroyers have escorts either. So it's not implausible for them to make that jump.
It's wild to me that such context (experimental shields allowing the hyperspace ram) is just absent from the movie and is found with the book.
Johnson probably didn't want to reveal it beforehand and talking about the technical workings after the fact would have interrupted the flow and emotional impact of that scene. I guarantee the experimental shields explanation is just there to keep it as a one-off event.
I left the theater largely unimpressed, pretty much the same feeling I had after TLJ. And that's not to say I hated the whole sequel trilogy. I actually liked TFA. But to me this had none of it's charm (like the chemistry between Rey and Finn in TFA), the action wasn't as well done, and what little humor was there fell flat (all I can remember humor-wise was the "You were a spice runner?" exchange). Even the big fight in the water left me wanting. Plus the big space battle at the end just didn't pop for me like those in RotJ or ANH. And the kiss at the end felt...almost cringe-y.
At some point I'll have to rewatch TLJ and TRoS but as it stands now they are both bottom-tier for me, only ahead of AotC. To me Star Wars is first and foremost about fun, and there wasn't much to be had with this. I love Star Wars and I hate to sound so negative, but it is what it is.
At some point I'll have to rewatch TLJ and TRoS but as it stands now they are both bottom-tier for me, only ahead of AotC. To me Star Wars is first and foremost about fun, and there wasn't much to be had with this. I love Star Wars and I hate to sound so negative, but it is what it is.
The EU (the new EU, that is) is required to understand a lot of plot points:
- what happened after the Empire fell
- why the New Republic ultimately failed
- Why Han left
- Why Leia left the Republic and joined the Resistance
- How the Resistance started
- Final Order
- Unknown regions (where Palp is)
- Importance of Sith artifacts
- Major character development/backstory for Kylo Ren, Phasma, Hux, and more
This content spans books, cartoons, video games, comic books and now live action series (Obi Wan, Mandalorian)
The problem is it's done in a piss poor way.
Like I enjoy TLJ, but her use of the Force is an absurd example of power that is never mentioned again or alluded to. I mean even the other characters shrug it off.
Hm that's an interesting perspective. I saw it more as Luke helping her find her resolve than doing anything heroic. I didn't get that vibe from it. I wondered where she was gonna go in Ben's TIE fighter and when I saw it burning I took it as she was intending to give it all up to keep her worst fear from realizing. The buildup was the lightning, the Dagobah 3.0 moment, her killing Kylo Ren in a fit of rage, her angrily losing it in the training session and chopping trees down wantonly trying to hit the training orb, isolating herself from Finn and the others...IMO anyway.
Ooo I didn't realise Finn might be Force-sensitive. Makes the 'That's not how the force works" scene even funnier lol
I think how much enjoyment you get out of a movie like this that is tied to prexisting lore and fandom is based on what you can overlook - and I don't mean that in an accusatory way, I promise. For example: you say Snoke in a jar was a good enough explanation for that character to you.
To me, somebody who actively tries to not think too much watching movies so I can be surprised or not get in my own head while the movie plays, that scene immediately threw up red flags. Why did Palpatine create Snoke? Why does he have more than one clone? Why does Snoke look all mangled even as he's being grown? Were previous versions of Palpatine also clones? Why did Snoke say he wasn't a Sit, etc.
Basically there are two types of plot holes that bother me. One is when the internal logic of a movie falls apart to the point where I can't ignore it. The other is whenever it's obvious that a plot hole stems from external issues such as retconning previous works or some other impediment to the natural progression of the story.
So it's genuinely interesting whenever there's a crossroads of both types of plot holes that bother me, and others are fine with it (maybe even like it).
It's hard not to come across as condescending by asking something like, "do you just turn your brain off?" Although as somebody who acknowledges that I try to do that to some extent hopefully it softens the edge to that question. Still, there is a difference, for me at least, between temporarily letting a film take me on a ride and then thinking about it more critically and continuing to ignore major issues after I've seen a film.
I get the sense that some so want to like the movie they don't want to actually think about it very much. Which is kind of ironic, 😜
Anakin wasn't a master when he took Ashoka as a padawan. But she started by calling him "Master Skywalker"
It's an honorific like calling your karate instructor "sensei" it's not a rank in this case, it's a show of respect.
It's not a one off though it happens again in Tros near the end
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