Kylo was largely responsible for the deaths for 12 billion.
Though they were all unnamed characters.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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Kylo was largely responsible for the deaths for 12 billion.
Though they were all unnamed characters.
Um, Luke wasn't going to troll him, he was going to try and convince him to stop.
Worst guy than Sheev. Blame Leia's lack of force-vision on that, what a blight this family has been.
Yep. Makes no sense. If you're not beholden to your blood, then having her parents be rotten just strengthens the message and better aligns with the previous film.
I have no idea how her parents acting virtuous (in an incredibly contrived way) helps the story at all.
It's 100% Anakin's fault for not showing up to talk to his grandson largely.
But none of the sequel series happens if Anakin's force ghost does anything so it's a plot hole needed for the sequels to exist.
Has there been any clarification about whether or not Snoke was a real person? The way it's told in the movie it could be taken that he was either a sentient person created by Palpatine that was doing his bidding or that it was just a puppet body Palpatine inhabited and literally controlled. I'm inclined to believe the latter but that's mostly because I like the thought of Snoke actually being Sheev in the TLJ scenes.
I agree. It makes sense that her father is palpatine. It makes her story reminiscent of luke's
I highly doubt JJ even intended her to be Luke's daughter
Based on what?
He never tries to stop him in TLJ. It's just assumed that Luke, given his role in the whole thing, isn't the one to try and save Ren. After Luke snaps out of it all he still tells Leia he can't save him and when Kylo mocks the idea Luke simply says no.
And most of the times I see people float this idea it's framed in a way of trolling just as it was here. "Mocking/taunting"
And, I mean, what's he going to say?
"Hey Kylo, I know I never reached out to you while I was alive, but I just wanted to let you know that the whole bedroom thing was just one big misunderstanding. I only thought about killing you in your sleep for the briefest of moments.The idea of killing you was just a quick, uncontrollable instinct I had while I was reading your thoughts. That was my bad. Come back to the light."
Ugh I would hate that.
He was definitely implied to be a sentient person because Palpatine tells Kylo "Snoke trained you well."
i thought the movie implied he was a clone of palpy with some chromosomal rearrangement (as cloning is wont to do). or that's the head canon i'm rolling with, i'm sure a book or comic will take a left turn from that
The reason the bloodline thing is stupid is because it's taken to mean literally.
When Yoda and Obiwan and whoever discuss Luke and how he's like his father, they mean in terms that he is implied to have the same vulnerabilities as his father. In the OT, we don't know Vader's past, so all we know is that he was once a good Jedi and then fell because he was seduced by the dark side. Now, this is actually a plotpoint I have similar criticisms that I have with Rey, because I don't feel Luke has any attraction to the dark side. All that really happens is that Luke gets a bit too angry and wants to kill Vader when he threatens his sister. That's it, it's a very human instinct and very relatable, but I don't think it's something that makes a lot of sense as leading to the dark side when Luke has canonically killed plenty of far less evil people in combat. Yeah, at that point, vader was defeated and helpless, and you probably shouldn't kill people lying on the ground, but it's still fairly small potatoes with regards to who Vader was.
But the point is, if Vader can fall to the dark side, anyone can, and certainly his son who has a tendency to act before he thinks. That's all the 'bloodline' amounted to and it's why Leia never really struggled, since she's a cooler, more even-keeled sort of person. It's not that Luke had the genetic code for darksidedness, it's that he was rash and angry, like his father was.
Whatever the shortcomings of trying to convince Luke is susceptible to the dark side are enhanced a hundred fold with Rey. Unlike Luke, she has no history with Palpatine. Unlike Luke, she has never really had "Too wrathful in seeking vengeance" as a character trait. With Rey, the only thing she had as a vulnerability to the dark side was her loneliness and desire to find a place in the world, which Kylo Ren tried to put pressure on to join him. But with Palpatine, he's like "Here Rey, be completely fucking evil so I can possess your body and rule through you as you helplessly watch from the inside as I do horrible shit."
Like...there is nothing of Palpatine in Rey and to introduce that as a conflict is an absurd decision. It's only credible if you sincerely believe that there is a gene for evil that Rey somehow inherited and is therefore succeptible to it, even when everything about her character is opposed to it.
And it's just as fucking bullshit as it was with Daenerys Targaryen.
When Yoda and Obiwan and whoever discuss Luke and how he's like his father, they mean in terms that he is implied to have the same vulnerabilities as his father. In the OT, we don't know Vader's past, so all we know is that he was once a good Jedi and then fell because he was seduced by the dark side. Now, this is actually a plotpoint I have similar criticisms that I have with Rey, because I don't feel Luke has any attraction to the dark side. All that really happens is that Luke gets a bit too angry and wants to kill Vader when he threatens his sister. That's it, it's a very human instinct and very relatable, but I don't think it's something that makes a lot of sense as leading to the dark side when Luke has canonically killed plenty of far less evil people in combat. Yeah, at that point, vader was defeated and helpless, and you probably shouldn't kill people lying on the ground, but it's still fairly small potatoes with regards to who Vader was.
But the point is, if Vader can fall to the dark side, anyone can, and certainly his son who has a tendency to act before he thinks. That's all the 'bloodline' amounted to and it's why Leia never really struggled, since she's a cooler, more even-keeled sort of person. It's not that Luke had the genetic code for darksidedness, it's that he was rash and angry, like his father was.
Whatever the shortcomings of trying to convince Luke is susceptible to the dark side are enhanced a hundred fold with Rey. Unlike Luke, she has no history with Palpatine. Unlike Luke, she has never really had "Too wrathful in seeking vengeance" as a character trait. With Rey, the only thing she had as a vulnerability to the dark side was her loneliness and desire to find a place in the world, which Kylo Ren tried to put pressure on to join him. But with Palpatine, he's like "Here Rey, be completely fucking evil so I can possess your body and rule through you as you helplessly watch from the inside as I do horrible shit."
Like...there is nothing of Palpatine in Rey and to introduce that as a conflict is an absurd decision. It's only credible if you sincerely believe that there is a gene for evil that Rey somehow inherited and is therefore succeptible to it, even when everything about her character is opposed to it.
And it's just as fucking bullshit as it was with Daenerys Targaryen.
It doesn't make any sense for Snoke to be a mindless puppet inhabited by Palpatine. His personality is too different (much more theatrical and gaudy with that red room and gold robe), and if Sheev was always there then he should know about the Dyad since Snoke bridged Rey and Kylo's minds.
The visual dictionary more or less says that Snoke was designed to train and be a final test for Kylo, his murder being the last stage since all Sith must kill their masters.
The visual dictionary more or less says that Snoke was designed to train and be a final test for Kylo, his murder being the last stage since all Sith must kill their masters.
Ah, you're right. I'd forgotten about that line. Individual it is then.
The last statement really shows how none of Sheev's plans in any of the movies make any sense.
Because he's constantly looking for Sith apprentices.
Palpatine largely has plot armor instead of anything resembling intelligence, lol. Kind of like Light Yagami but done worse.
It's almost like if they'd plotted it out and knew they wanted to do something with Palpatine, they could have had Kylo worshipping him instead of Vader, then when it turned out that Rey was Palpatine's grandchild, it would have meant something more to both of them.
Actually, Palpatine's main goal is pretty much to live forever and uncover the "great mystery."
It seemed like his goal was to preserve the sith legacy in 9.
He needed to be struck down in anger so that his powers and sith legacy could be transferred to someone else.
I really disagree on this. I think it's pretty clear from the OT that Luke is uniquely predisposed to becoming like Vader.
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side. "And much anger I sense in him, like his father." Luke's anger and fear are evident on Dagobah. The Emperor tries to turn Luke by bringing out his anger. In Star Wars, these personality traits are linked to the dark side.
"Anger, fear, aggression, the dark side are they. Consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice."
And we see a lot of anger in Rey too.
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You see a montage of other Star Destroyers being destroyed like above Endor and whatnot.
This was actually my greatest annoyance with the film. Like she finally makes a lightsaber and it isn't a staff??
i thought they essentially became or 'blended in' with the Final Order, like how clone troopers became indistinguishable from storm troppers. only the former transpired in, like, five minutes or something
They made the Rule of Two make much more sense in the movies and the destruction of the Sith more meaningful too.
And it's a concept that first appeared in the really good Darth Bane books.
I've been dwelling on this, and I've decided i going to rank all the Star Wars films according to how much I like them. But I'm going to rate them using Famitsu's scoring system.
A New Hope 35/40
Empire Strikes Back 37/40
Return Of The Jedi 33/40
The Phantom Menace 29/40
Attack Of The Clones 28/40
Revenge Of The Sith 30/40
The Force Awakens 34/40
Rogue One 33/40
The Last Jedi 33/40
Solo 29/40
The Rise Of Skywalker 40/40 Best movie since Nintendogs and JoJo ASB
A New Hope 35/40
Empire Strikes Back 37/40
Return Of The Jedi 33/40
The Phantom Menace 29/40
Attack Of The Clones 28/40
Revenge Of The Sith 30/40
The Force Awakens 34/40
Rogue One 33/40
The Last Jedi 33/40
Solo 29/40
The Rise Of Skywalker 40/40 Best movie since Nintendogs and JoJo ASB
30/40
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Not sure but people who good eyes said it's Sith Star destroyers.
Or people think the movie is bad because it literally introduces a new (but actually old) bad in the opening crawl out of nowhere then assaults the viewer with bad editing, tropey reveals and call backs, bad/lazy plotting, and more.
To me this movie left a similar taste in my mouth as AOTC. I'm not saying they're equally as but. Just that ROTS has a few good moments and things I like surrounded by alot of bad.
Disney bought a 16-page spread.
But I'd really give it a 30/40. It's not quite a 31.
Are you asking about the Darth Bane part?
In the final Bake book, when his apprentice fought him he attempted essence transfer and there was an imprint of his consciousness left on her "that had some untold effect."
It's why even though i completely hate it i can see a movie where i would come around to liking it
But as it is in TROS it doesn't add anything and feels like a cynical move even if Abrams was genuine
It's hilt is definitely constructed from her staff so, in a way it is.
I do think JJ does have love for Star Wars. He's just too terrified of the fandom to do anything that will make them feel at all bad so he ends up fumbling everything in this installment.
Which I sort of get. The SW fandom is the worst.
Which I sort of get. The SW fandom is the worst.
I think JJ wanted to bring back Palpatine first and then worried about what it would mean for Rey's character arc later. That you can interpret the themes behind retcon as being very superficially similar to the way Rian set things up is little more than a happy accident.
I mean, even JJ's explanation there is so totally on-the-nose and unsubtle. In the same way that he thinks he can escalate the stakes of his Star Wars movies by taking things that have been done before but making them bigger (e.g. a bigger Death Star, or thousands of Star Destroyers that are all also Death Stars, or Super Palpatine with GIGA LIGHTNING) he tries to take Rey's emotional struggles and linearly multiply them like it's a maths problem. If Rey coming from nothing was X amount of emotion, then Rey coming from Palpatine will be 10X EMOTIONS! I can't help but picture him making explosion noises under his breath as he writes the script.
Someone predicted the future, holy shit:
A vision through the force... (Plagueis trained Palps btw).
A vision through the force... (Plagueis trained Palps btw).
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