I'd actually thrown something into my Quote queue from Crossing Eden to reinforce a point of theirs from yesterday, then I just continued to read the thread and all is lost because we've reached the "Don't criticize this for being messy shlock because it's what I want and don't you dare ever do anything else interesting in the mainline series" point of the conversation, along with TLJ having closed all the doors despite people being able to say that doors were closed except man they really closed them argument.
They could have gone anywhere. They could have done anything. By the end of TLJ:
- Anyone can be a hero, no matter where they're from!
- Luke actually embraced the myth of who people thought he was in order to buy what remained of the Resistance time to escape
- Therefore, the Resistance is still alive and can fight back! People from everywhere hear this story!
- Kylo Ren is a monster! He's evil! Can he be redeemed? Maybe! But that's gonna be hard to do!
This could be years after TLJ. A decade, even! The Resistance could have grown based on what Luke did and how that story spread. It also would have been valid for it to be sooner, and the Resistance is small but that spark is helping them grow! Other force-sensitive people aren't afraid to come out of hiding. That could be for both sides, even! Like, I could sit here listing possibilities for hours and they'd be valid. And to be fair, yes, the direction they went with RoS is a valid place to have gone. It's just one of the least inspired and uninteresting ways to have gone with it. Yes, I want to demand better from my entertainment, especially in a day and age where I get more cohesive and coherent throughlines for a plot from fucking cartoons.
As someone already pointed out, the OT was not schlocky entertainment at the time. It's easy to go, "well it was obviously inspired by spaghetti westerns and Japanese filmmakers" now, when back in the late 70s that wasn't the case and it's actually a disservice to the craft that Lucas studied and brought to the mainstream. It wasn't the norm. And it definitely wasn't schlock.
They could have gone anywhere. They could have done anything. By the end of TLJ:
- Anyone can be a hero, no matter where they're from!
- Luke actually embraced the myth of who people thought he was in order to buy what remained of the Resistance time to escape
- Therefore, the Resistance is still alive and can fight back! People from everywhere hear this story!
- Kylo Ren is a monster! He's evil! Can he be redeemed? Maybe! But that's gonna be hard to do!
This could be years after TLJ. A decade, even! The Resistance could have grown based on what Luke did and how that story spread. It also would have been valid for it to be sooner, and the Resistance is small but that spark is helping them grow! Other force-sensitive people aren't afraid to come out of hiding. That could be for both sides, even! Like, I could sit here listing possibilities for hours and they'd be valid. And to be fair, yes, the direction they went with RoS is a valid place to have gone. It's just one of the least inspired and uninteresting ways to have gone with it. Yes, I want to demand better from my entertainment, especially in a day and age where I get more cohesive and coherent throughlines for a plot from fucking cartoons.
As someone already pointed out, the OT was not schlocky entertainment at the time. It's easy to go, "well it was obviously inspired by spaghetti westerns and Japanese filmmakers" now, when back in the late 70s that wasn't the case and it's actually a disservice to the craft that Lucas studied and brought to the mainstream. It wasn't the norm. And it definitely wasn't schlock.
