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Gravemind IV

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Yeah but I'm ok with that because it tonally felt in line with all the other films imo. I liked it a lot, and I read the spoilers before hand and was really expecting not to like it lol. It hit the sweet spot for me, people can disagree and that's fine. It just feels like we've had two years of people bitching about toxicity and nerd culture only to toxicly scream at everyone who doesn't like TLJ and insinuate that they're stupid or "didnt understand it". And then this movie comes out and the whole fanbase that was screaming about toxicity constantly is still belittling and talking down to people that like this new one.

Like, Star Wars is awesome, sometimes it's great, sometimes it's mediocre, opinions vary wildly because it's one of the biggest franchises of all time but it's Star Wars at the end of the day and I love it all.

Exactly. There's a lot to fault this movie for, but all in all I enjoyed it, which I came to realize with my second viewing. After the first I was quite bewildered and found myself tearing it apart.

There's a lot of non-sensical crap in it, but we have spent the last 200 or so pages on that, so no need to reiterate that. But also a lot to like, in my opinion.

It's the first time in this trilogy that I came to like Rey, wish they would have stuck with her killing Chewy as that would have been crazy. But her interactions and growth were great in this movie. I remember discussing with a friend when TFA was released if she could have something to do with Palpatine, considering her fighting style in the forest and Palp's voice during the saber vision, and here we are.

I love Palpatine/Ian McDiarmid and thought he and all the Sith stuff on Exegol was great. Could it have been better? Sure. But they definitely nailed some aspects of it all.

Ben/Kylo showing again that he's my favorite character of the ST by a huge margin. Shouldn't have died, but some other way of repentance.

Finn (and Poe kinda) actually doing stuff! Still think the guy is under utilized and would have really liked something like the forest scene from TFA. While a lot better than TLJ, still think he never reached that height again in the ST.

I wonder what it could have been if the ST was roadmapped, a lot of the things in TROS don't work as well as they could have had there been a proper buildup to it and the movie wasn't forced to move at breakneck speed to cover it all. I think this movie would have benefited greatly if it had some time to breathe and slow down a bit.
 

Halbrand

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I'm totally on board with what TROS did, but when I watch Director and the Jedi I see Rian being the director who's closest to George Lucas, in all in the good ways.
 

Maverick14

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no you're right, if you don't like this movie you're just a Russian not. It's toxic to suggest otherwise
This will be my last msg cuz this is getting tiresome...there is plenty of legitimate scope for disliking or hating the film but I have spent 2 days responding to a load of bullshit criticism that people have dreamt up in their minds and is not really legit to the film...and some people are so angry and worked up over a piece of entertainment that it leads one to wonder whether something else is going on...

And one of the most tiresome elements is the method of taking what someone says out of context and taking it to an extreme that was never intended...

Well played sir/madam...so long!
 

Fj0823

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I just hope this trilogy is owned and expanded. As a big prequel fan I would hate for a "Ignore them and never acknowledge them!" narrative to form...Again.

That's what got us into this mess. Maybe Filoni can work his magic and do an animated show with Rey that completely redeems her terrible TROS arc or something. Just don't ever do to this movie what this movie did to TLJ.

This is how we win, saving what we love not destroying what we hate
 

Basileus777

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I saw this a second time and the main take away was that this film is just a bore any time Adam Driver is not on the screen. The way everything is edited and paced just makes it all rush straight over you and have absolutely no weight. The film pulls out every dirty trick to up the stakes, but it doesn't land and it's hard to give a fuck about any of it.
 

Quinton

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RagnarokX

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This is where I get suspicious...I have never said the dagger storyline is great..or better than some aspect of TLJ. .I have just pointed out that all those saying its implausible bullshit conveniently missed that C3P0 spells out the instructions on the dagger clearly stating where to stand (moon x on shore y) and the death star being so massive that you could stand anywhere in a 10-20 mile stretch and still see the position easily..so it is plausible enough for a fantasy sci fi film. This morning I was arguing water erosion versus solar wind erosion with someone else on this thread for the same fantasy sci go film...it's funny yet sad at the same time
Heh, I just saw the movie and watching C3PO give the coordinates I was like, "Wait... he said where to stand to make the dagger work... Why are people saying they just randomly landed in the right spot to make the dagger work?"
 

BDS

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At the very beginning of the movie when Poe arrives at the base and they're discussing Palpatine's Fortnite message, he says something to the effect of "Palpatine has sent the fleet to all three planets."

...what are the three planets? Because no planets were mentioned prior to this early scene. Now at the end of the movie we see star destroyers at Bespin, Endor, and Jakku. But those were not mentioned at all in the early scenes or anywhere else in the film. Presumably another editing mistake from the rushed rewrites and reshoots.​
 

spam flakes

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It truly is BvS 2.0, right down to the exact same BS rebuttals by the people defending the film.

I've noticed this too. Someone I know posted a review on his food blog(lol) about how the movie is actually great, and it goes as much as one would expect. "For the fans" justifying that the film HAD to be this way, with a hint of RJ vs J.J., splashed with LF atoning for "going to war with fans" (words he actually sent me). Like cool, nothing wrong enjoying it, but it didn't demand that script, plotting, frenetic pacing and everything else that's already been discussed in this topic.

The more I think about the movie, the more I dislike it. Still I'll give it another chance since I have A-list.
 

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According to mad kids on Youtube, we saw the Igor Cut.
 

IMCaprica

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I had to watch TLJ after TROS to remind myself what good editing and cinematography looked like, this is how you block and construct a throne room:
This is what was bothering me in the third act and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. The Sith throne room in TROS is so damn dark, and the camera shots are so damn tight. The throne itself doesn't stand out. The statues don't stand out. The sea of robed Sith don't stand out. There's clearly a giant, impressive room the characters are standing in, but you never really get to see it to appreciate it. There's no contrast either. It's dark outside. It's dark inside. The room is lit coolly, and the blue lightsabers add nothing to it.
 

Heynongman!

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Ok someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Luke/Anakin's saber get destroyed in TLJ? How did it end up back in this movie?
 

El Bombastico

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I had to watch TLJ after TROS to remind myself what good editing and cinematography looked like, this is how you block and construct a throne room:

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I find the design of Snoke's throne room horrid and like something out of a bad avant garde film.

But I would STILL choose it over not being to see a goddamn thing like how Sheev's throne room was lit.
 

BossAttack

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This is what was bothering me in the third act and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. The Sith throne room in TROS is so damn dark, and the camera shots are so damn tight. The throne itself doesn't stand out. The statues don't stand out. The sea of robed Sith don't stand out. There's clearly a giant, impressive room the characters are standing in, but you never really get to see it to appreciate it. There's no contrast either. It's dark outside. It's dark inside. The room is lit coolly, and the blue lightsabers add nothing to it.

Yes.

You can't see a damn thing, part of which is because it's all CG. The other part because it's all just dark for no reason and nothing contrasts. There's nothing to focus your eye on. Even the Sith Throne isn't the center piece of the scene, it's just show a few times. It's a horrendous "set" that's shot like they had no time to plan anything out and just said, "go."
 

Fj0823

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Ok someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Luke/Anakin's saber get destroyed in TLJ? How did it end up back in this movie?

Real answer: it was magically fixed with duck tape off screen

Canon Answer: Rey used fucking Force healing on the crystal to heal it and then repaired the hilt so that it looked exactly the same as before barring some duck tape
 

Ryan.

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Ok someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Luke/Anakin's saber get destroyed in TLJ? How did it end up back in this movie?
During the training scene at the beginning there's a bit of a closeup of the saber showing that it now included this brown piece:
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It's meant to show that Rey repaired in between TLJ and TROS.

Although it was pointed out that the Crystal is split in half so that question is up for debate:
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Can't remember where specifically I saw this but a video explained that Leia essentially transferred her spiritual self into Kylo to bring back Ben, hence why when Ben faded away so did Leia's physical body and why he saw Han Solo.
....oh wow.

In that case, I may have needed something really blatant, like his eyes changing color to symbolize some sort of hypnotism or hold over him had been shattered. Like that one Lord/King in the last Lord of the Rings movie when Gandalf cast Sarumon's spirit/hold out of that dude. Shit, maybe something like the Ancient One literally punching the Kylo out of him lol. Or...man, I don't know what I would have needed. I just know I needed more, at some point before the end of the film. Sigh. It's frustrating to me because I'd really love for it to work for me. It just didn't land at all and I hate that because I loved these characters.
 

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I've noticed this too. Someone I know posted a review on his food blog(lol) about how the movie is actually great, and it goes as much as one would expect. "For the fans" justifying that the film HAD to be this way, with a hint of RJ vs J.J., splashed with LF atoning for "going to war with fans" (words he actually sent me). Like cool, nothing wrong enjoying it, but it didn't demand that script, plotting, frenetic pacing and everything else that's already been discussed in this topic.

The more I think about the movie, the more I dislike it. Still I'll give it another chance since I have A-list.
The movie at times did feel hostile to me, which is crazy because if it was commentary on TLJ then the answer was to make... make one of the worst Star Wars movies in response?
Ok someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Luke/Anakin's saber get destroyed in TLJ? How did it end up back in this movie?
The fans brought it back.
 

Basileus777

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This is what happens when you try to force Anakin's child killing weapon into becoming excalibur. JJ brought the weapon back from the dead twice. And I'm sure someone will dig the thing back up again.
 

Surfinn

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No worries, I didn't get that impression at all. I think it speaks to how strong the characters have been in the ST that we're debating about the interpersonal relationships and dynamics in a movie about space wizard battles haha.




Oh, I think you misunderstood me — when I say "Ben is the only one she connected with", I don't mean that she hasn't bonded with Finn and other members of the Resistance, because of course she has. I meant that more in terms of how she feels towards Kylo Ren — she sees Ben Solo and feels a connection with him, and tries to help him, but once it's apparent that Kylo chooses to remain Kylo by the end of TLJ, she rightfully shuts him out.

Then we see the aftermath in TROS, where their conflict is now more personal, and they're demanding reasons for why the other didn't come to their side. And then it plays out pretty straightforward with his redemption as Ben, and the rest of the climax of the movie.

I guess it's really just down to personal preference; I think Rey and Finn are sweet together, but I find the Rey/Ben dynamic a lot more dramatically interesting for the characters and the story. I don't think it's accurate to say all their interactions are based on death, destruction, etc. — TLJ shows us scenes of them talking to each other about their wants, motivations, and vulnerabilities, and their relationship grows from just enemy vs. enemy to something more complex. Just because their Force connection came about through Snoke's schemes doesn't mean the actual interactions weren't genuine — we see that they're both caught off guard when Snoke tells them the truth, and we see that Snoke underestimated the effect their connection would have because Kylo ends up killing him instead of Rey.

They absolutely could've started TROS with hints that Rey and Finn had something going on after the year-long gap, but they chose not to, and I think it makes sense given that they're kind of dealing with their own stuff for the majority of the movies (Rey - Jedi, Finn - Resistance). There's potential for more; they clearly mean a lot to each other, and Finn being FS would give him and Rey generally more reasons to interact. And yeah, the whole "I'm FS" being his supposed dying words is weird, like that scene totally feels like it's leading to a confession of some sort and idk what J.J. is doing there.

But that's kind of how I feel about Rey and Finn's romantic potential as a whole — it's there, but never really followed up on or developed further. And as the dust settles on the trilogy as a whole, I just think the Rey/Ben stuff is ultimately more fleshed out and interesting.
I think we've gone as far as we can go in this conversation, and our difference in opinion seems to come down to individual interpretation.

I don't think there's any indication of a recognizable romantic connection, and their interactions stem from what they want from each other, not because they're forming a bond that justifies the kiss we get at the end of the film.

To me, the bottom line is that the writers failed to get Kylo and Rey to a place that allows for a believable romance or even worthwhile platonic connection.
 

Hidlive

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....oh wow.

In that case, I may have needed something really blatant, like his eyes changing color to symbolize some sort of hypnotism or hold over him had been shattered. Like that one Lord/King in the last Lord of the Rings movie when Gandalf cast Sarumon's spirit/hold out of that dude. Shit, maybe something like the Ancient One literally punching the Kylo out of him lol. Or...man, I don't know what I would have needed. I just know I needed more, at some point before the end of the film. Sigh. It's frustrating to me because I'd really love for it to work for me. It just didn't land at all and I hate that because I loved these characters.
Yeah, I didn't understand what I watched until I saw some other people talk about it. They needed time to breathe this stuff out, I would've been fine with one large production split into 2 movies so JJ and the crew can have more time to explain how this wraps everything up
 
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