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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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Not disputing that but it's a thousand years of unknown random Sith lords. At least with Rey hearing the voices it was known Jedi
The moment were Yoda does this in Empire is my favorite moment in all of Star Wars. I was furious when it happened in this movie because it basically tried to mine it. The opposite of fanservice.
It felt like a total cheap nostalgia grab and completely unearned, plus Luke is a ghost shouldn't the lesson have been for Rey to attempt to do it herself just like he tried to in Empire and maybe through the act of doing so she finds the resolve she needs to go back? But no empty fanservice instead because see Luke can life the X-Wing now get it lol
Some more thoughts I have about the movie:
It makes me think of two parents that have a kid, and while the kid may not look like both parents, it still somehow favors both. My niece and nephew for example are fraternal twins. Neither of them look like their parents wholly, but you can totally see my sister and her ex-husband in both of them. Like, you know it's their kid, and you know they're siblings as well.
the Rise of Skywalker is most assuredly the child of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. It doesn't take every feature from either, but contains aspects of both. I think the film builds off of elements of both previous movies, sometimes well, sometimes not so well.
It's not even close to be a clusterfuck, or a dumpster fire, but it's certainly not a masterpiece (spoiler: not a single Star Wars movie is a masterpiece).
I'm really looking forward to seeing deleted scenes, as well as the difficulties they had in trying to reconcile Leia's story with Carrie Fisher's passing in a way that was tasteful and respectful. I thought they did a fantastic job considering what they had to work with.
It makes me think of two parents that have a kid, and while the kid may not look like both parents, it still somehow favors both. My niece and nephew for example are fraternal twins. Neither of them look like their parents wholly, but you can totally see my sister and her ex-husband in both of them. Like, you know it's their kid, and you know they're siblings as well.
the Rise of Skywalker is most assuredly the child of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. It doesn't take every feature from either, but contains aspects of both. I think the film builds off of elements of both previous movies, sometimes well, sometimes not so well.
It's not even close to be a clusterfuck, or a dumpster fire, but it's certainly not a masterpiece (spoiler: not a single Star Wars movie is a masterpiece).
I'm really looking forward to seeing deleted scenes, as well as the difficulties they had in trying to reconcile Leia's story with Carrie Fisher's passing in a way that was tasteful and respectful. I thought they did a fantastic job considering what they had to work with.
We've both put effort into our posts
We've both spent time discussing them with each other
We both ultimately want the same thing
We were not able to come to the same conclusion and that's fine.
That's all there is to it and I don't really have any negative feelings towards you. We just don't agree on something.
yeah that was awful.
Yeah, but the explosion ripped it in half. Rey had it in two pieces when she showed Leia at the end of TLJ.
True. I had just always wondered (especially after Episode III) what Palps' endgame was, so this was a good fill-in for that.
Yes, Rey is holding the two pieces of it at the end of TLJ when she talks to Leia.
In TROS, you can see a black piece of metal on the part where it was repaired.
Almost ignored because of the thumbnail, but holy crap this is amazing.
Right, but the thing I'm trying to illustrate that intentions here don't matter. The scene and how it plays out walks back on the lessons of TLJ in a very disrespectful manner because it doesn't understand the actual core lesson that the movie was trying to instill. All JJ picked up on is "Luke didn't like the Jedi and now he does again" and created the scene based off that really poor reading of the movie.
I have nothing personal against JJ, but whatever his intentions were, TRoS apologizes and walks back on every important step TLJ took.
To each their own, but I'll admit that I'm a sucker for a good redemption story. TROS was not a good one, and I was hoping it would manifest in Kylo finding his own path and rejecting the one his birth put him down. Maybe he never wanted this life for himself, maybe Leia and Han shipping him to Jedi camp instead of being his parents never gave him a sense of belonging, maybe he was just searching for his place and purpose. I would have liked to see him reject the force and the path that everyone insisted he follow for his gift, but that's just my personal preference.
Saw it on the midnight release on Wednesday; it was fun and I had a blast watching it due to its fast paced nature. I enjoyed some scenes but I hated certain moments and reveals. Overall this trilogy was not well planned out at all and its flaws show as this crams a trilogy's worth of story into one film. Something as simple as having the characters fight over or race to get the Wayfinder in The Last Jedi (ending the film with Kylo getting it) would have helped link these together more.
If you don't mind, I'll be stealing the framing of "TROS is the child of TFA and TLJ" because that's a great way of looking at it.
People who think JJ totally hated TLJ have to ignore that ForceTime is the main plot device used to move the plot along lmao
Why did they give the Knights of Ren a cool ship design only to show it once in an unnecessary scene.
I don't ever recall Star Destroyer cannons being explicitly referenced as Ion Cannons is all. Thought they had another name.
Edit: Turbolasers is what I thought Star Destroyers were equipped with
It was a meaningful moment in the OT, because Luke is totally powerless to get the ship and his believe in the force and his own powers is falting. Yoda uses his last bit of strength to pull out the X-Wing and It provides hope for Luke and showing him that, yeah, he can do that as long as he believes in the force. Is a meaningful moment for Luke's arc in the OT and serves for a fitting end for Yoda.
In TROS is basically ghost Luke saying "Here's the ship and now go fight bad dude lol". Outside of the callback it lacks any real emotional impact, which describes the film quite well.
Its frustrating because we now know Luke can project himself across the galaxy. Who cares if he can lift an X Wing or not
Honestly if Snoke was going to be the big bad all along the ST would have been 10X worse. I do wish we'd gotten to see power drunk Kylo Ren shirtless in Snokes gold robe though...
I think we're getting a Sith centric D+ spinoff some day. I honestly would mind animated either but with Clone Wars budget.
We saw what would have happened if Luke was actually there
The whole sequence at Ochi's ship is so stupid. Rey walks so far away so she is somehow out of screaming hearing distance and Chewbacca has to run after her just to tell her to come back lol. Then he gets captured without Rey noticing. No one in the ship notices this happening either and it takes Finn to go after Chewie to notice this. Then no one seemingly notices Finn. Then Rey destroys the decoy ship, but no one, including Finn, notices the real ship with Chewie taking off. Then Rey casually walks back to her ship and they have already taken off next in a quick edit with Kylo and no one else going after them despite being right there.
It was such a series of weird edits to make this sequence "work". Even if it was Kylo's plan to see how dark side fluent she was, he still wanted to capture her after all to turn her
It was such a series of weird edits to make this sequence "work". Even if it was Kylo's plan to see how dark side fluent she was, he still wanted to capture her after all to turn her
I liked how the trail of smoke coming out of their starship let you know THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS
no offense but you literally just described pretty much all of star wars.
Like I get that there's a lot of nastolgia involved. But none of the original trilogy is peak cinema. But especially today none of them even hold up that well, like at all.
People like to act like they are these pantheon of deep philosophical meaning or 10/10 godfather of popcorn movies or something.
Yea except you didn't say that it doesn't make sense to reveal him in the third movie. you said it didn't make sense.
Oh and I remembered some more shit that makes zero sense. Leia surviving unprotected in space and then using the force to bring her back on a ship.
"The Last Jedi" title doesn't even make sense anymore since Leia was a Jedi according to TROS. Literally a Jedi, complete with her own lightsaber.
I sound like a broken record about this but Ben's slow turn to camera after Leia calls out his name has gotten me every time.
Best moment of the movie and up there with the best of the saga. Driver's face is doing so much heavy lifting and he totally nails it.
Best moment of the movie and up there with the best of the saga. Driver's face is doing so much heavy lifting and he totally nails it.
No I agree, I like how they handled him in TLJ. I just feel like it reinforces the "LUKE SHOULDVE BEEN THERE!!!" crowd
That clip is showing an "Ion Cannon" from Hoth firing into space. Also, I honestly don't remember them ever saying "turbolaser" until The Force Awakens.
edit: Looks like turbolasers are actually what were on the Death Star trench run (and they shot green bolts), and I think those were the same guns Poe was trying to blow up in The Last Jedi.
Are you maybe thinking about the coloring of the ion cannons from the video games? They were blue there.
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It was a weird Prequels-like move.
"Leia has the force?.... Quick, give her a lightsaber!".
I always though that Leia awakened her "Jedi" powers instinctively in the space scene. If I remember right, that was the implication Rian stated when explaining the sequence.
It's different kinds of bad, so it depends on what you can stomach. The prequels have absolutely zero chemistry and a lot of awful performances. But in the broad strokes--like, if you just generally laid out the big story beats for the prequels--they work pretty well. Anakin being convinced to turn to the Dark Side because he's terrified of losing someone he loves is, honestly, a perfect story reason for his corruption. It's just executed like shit.
TROS still has all the chemistry and solid performances among the main cast. There are a lot of good, funny lines and everyone still vibes with each other. But the plot is total arbitrary gibberish. So, in the moment, there's nothing as unwatchable in TROS as there is in the worst parts of the prequels. But (as I said much earlier in the thread) it is absolutely the dumbest Star Wars movie.
Just got back.
"You can't disrespect a Jedi's weapon like that"
Oh man that felt glorious, loved that zinger sent directly to Rian.
Overall TLJ was superior, even with its flaws (treatment of Luke). Got a bit dragon ball Z at the end, didnt feel the same sensation of a finale i felt between Obi/Maul, Anakin/Obi, Luke/Vader, Rey+Ren/Snoke....it wasn't anywhere near those in tension and quality.
"You can't disrespect a Jedi's weapon like that"
Oh man that felt glorious, loved that zinger sent directly to Rian.
Overall TLJ was superior, even with its flaws (treatment of Luke). Got a bit dragon ball Z at the end, didnt feel the same sensation of a finale i felt between Obi/Maul, Anakin/Obi, Luke/Vader, Rey+Ren/Snoke....it wasn't anywhere near those in tension and quality.
Uh...no the lesson shouldn't have been for Rey to lift it, it would have been child's play for her. Earlier we saw her pulling back a transport 10x the size of an X-wing that was thrusting at full power AND had Kylo Ren working against her. It would have taken minimal or no effort to simply lift an empty X-Wing against 30ft of water pressure and gravity.
A good question. For. Another. TIME.
Honestly, this is one mystery box that I would be willing to let Abrams have. Like, what do you assume happened to it? The lightsaber fell, was found by someone, and it ended up somewhere. So why shouldn't it have gotten into Maz's hands? Like, all we really know is that Luke's lightsaber was lost. Well, it's found. I can buy that.
And since the force is guiding Rey to it, okay, a little contrived, but it fits since she's a Jedi. But most importantly, this is okay because it leads to something. It's the first step of Rey realizing her self identity and works a symbolic passing of the torch. So since it leads to something, I'm okay with it.
Yup, but TROS retcons it since apparently she built her own lightsaber some time after ROTJ.
Oh lol here it is:
JJ: Nope, she was a Jedi all along, fuck you RJ!!! MUAHAHAHA
*Madly writes the training scene on the script*
the pilot and slug was a gay kiss also, big weird slugs that are randomly introduced are people too
Yup. Was interesting from beginning to end. Great locations all throughout.
Rey was shaken up so bad she tried to exile herself. Her actually making the choice to put that work in and go back, maybe struggling with it even though yes her "power level" is insane in this, would show that she is conflicted on what to do. It's not about power levels so much as pathology. Maybe Luke gives her some more words of wisdom to really sell it. Of course all of this would require the movie to slow the fuck down for a minute and actually try to do anything meaningful so
Wow...wow wow wow.
Palpatine's message, the start of TROS story is not in the actual movie, but it's an exclusive story point in Fortnite?
This entire movie is an embarrassment.
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