That and by all accounts Lucas micromanaged the set of RotJ so much that he was the director in all but name.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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That and by all accounts Lucas micromanaged the set of RotJ so much that he was the director in all but name.
The original trilogy had the director/writer of the first one working on scripts on all three and shadow directing the third.
I think TLJ is easily the best Disney SW movie and I liked it. It just shows he got out of his funk.
I wouldn't say that that's an arc, though, just events that happen. Finn himself doesn't change as a person throughout the movie, and doesn't learn any lessons.
Just came back from my viewing. Palpatine was really shoehorned in. No mentioning or build-up in the two previous movies, and now he's suddenly the big baddie again?
I mean, I take every second of Ian McDiarmid I can get because he's awesome, but his appearance here feels unearned somehow.
I mean, I take every second of Ian McDiarmid I can get because he's awesome, but his appearance here feels unearned somehow.
YessssssYeah, the galaxy is a destabilized hellhole of mass death after these films. You know hat that means EU fans. Get your Death Sticks ready! It´s Legacy time:
The future of Star Wars begins NOW. Boi, does it ever.
Yeah that was my least favorite scene. The whole movie had a huge gross love of lightsabers but there was a potentially great scene of Luke coming out of the fire to give her the saber back while telling her things aren't as bad as they seem and that she is strong enough to save the galaxy. Someone actually clapped when Luke told Rey not to disrespect the saber so I guess the obvious fan pandering works on some? Also if only Luke had two sabers in rotj he could've blocked that lightening and murdered thousands like Rey did.
Yeah its really annoying. They obviously don't feel secure enough in their enjoyment of the movie to just say I enjoyed it for what it was and that they disagree with the criticism, they have to try argue that anyone who is critical of the movie shouldnt be watching it in a way so as to engage and analyze it (why? not really clear). I'm pretty sure everyone here who didn't like the movie is happy to let those people enjoy the movie without telling them theyre watching movies wrong haha
Edit: nvm I just really didn't like this. JJ is cynical and this movie is all fanservice with no themes or character development, in fact a significant amount of character regression.
He's only shoehorned in because some fucking idiot thought killing the big bad at the halfway point of movie 2 made sense.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but he's kind of inserting himself into the fan conversation on opening weekend? I agree with Rian but it's a bold strategy to be commenting on it during ow.
It did, he's only in because JJ is a hack who can't come up with an original story
JJ could've told any story he wanted after TLJ. He just went the laziest route with it.
I watched it with 8 people. Only two of us hated it, the rest loved it. :( I was too tired to debate the movie with them.
lol, calm down this movie improved some of TLJs rough edges like killing off the villain prematurely and Rey having no parents.
I don't even know if this should be considered a film, just a slideshow of images and references people recognize with some action to hold together a story that could have been written on a napkin at Denny's
Yeah honestly a 30 year gap leaves a lot of time to fill in the blanks. I can see Son of Sheev playing a part and rejecting sith lore. I don't know... it's flawed but I like it more on second viewing and there are a ton of back stories they can tell now that D+ is a hit to keep the platform sticky...and really they need to move quickly after next week when mando season wraps up.
I think it was Hamill telling both JJ and Rian to stawp.
Why are they exactly "rough edges"? Like, why Rey needs to have "important" parents?
I too would like to know what this one was a sequel to cognizant.
Next week´s Mando S01 finale is directed by Taika Waititi with a script by Jon Favreau. Thank the Force.
Next week´s Mando S01 finale is directed by Taika Waititi with a script by Jon Favreau. Thank the Force.
I didn't say that and you seem really caught up on an argument I never even made. What does it matter if the skywalkers are the central heroes or not of the franchise when I specifically said they just ended up being losers who accomplished nothing? Like the two are not mutually exclusive and I have no idea why you think they are (nor why you think this matters or why it behooves your argument to try and suggest that the last 9 movies titled "the skywalker saga" are not primarily about the skywalkers).
Holy shit I have bingo. Also way to be completely ignorant to where the source of the leaks came from but I guess weve reached the point where star wars fans here just reach for calling people racist if an argument doesn't mesh with their own (and we had been doing so well with this as well here).
I just read an article about the idea that all the Sith living inside Palpatine means that when an apprentice kills his master the master always possesses his body, hence why Palpatine is always goading strong Jedi to strike him down in ROTJ and TROS...so he could take them over.
That would also mean Palpatine actually IS Darth Plagueis...and Darth Bane, and all those other guys. Obviously just another retcon and certainly not what George had in mind, but it's an interesting idea.
That would also mean Palpatine actually IS Darth Plagueis...and Darth Bane, and all those other guys. Obviously just another retcon and certainly not what George had in mind, but it's an interesting idea.
Can't agree with that. Having not-the-emperor as the big bad again came across as pretty lazy and nothing in TFA made it particularly unique or interesting. Supreme Leader Ren sinking deeper into the dark side and taking centre stage ad the villain was much more interesting IMO, and there's no reason it couldn't have worked.
Improved rough edges like setting up a more interesting Kylo v Rey conflict that wouldn't be a retread of Return of the Jedi and one of the main themes of the entire movie. Amazing
It's utterly baffling. One of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen come out of a major studio. To call the scenes in this movie "scenes" feels wrong somehow
Snoke was always going to just be a disappointing Emperor stand-in. Kylo Ren being the main antagonist is a much better choice since he's an actual character.
It's completely consistent with how Luke's character arc ended in TLJ, after Rey/Yoda talked sense into him. Not disrespectful at all.
But nobody is arguing whether or not you want a RJ trilogy. That is not in contention.
I just think the conclusions you're coming to are pretty ridiculous and just sound like you're trying to make up a conspiracy. You say you're not, but then you say:
based on:
When there's literally no reason to believe that, and:
TROS is the culmination of the JJ approach, as well as his idea of "taking risks". So in his mind 9 tries to please fans less than 7. Which it certainly did, but not in the way he was intending and still doesn't address why you think this is a path they'd continue to go down when it's not being well received.
And returning to Rian:
I'm not arguing that he's actively in the process of writing or directing a film or even on pre production. But that doesn't mean he's sitting around doing nothing. I would imagine what he's been doing over the past 2 years is creating his new "world" and seeing what that is, what it looks like, what it feels like, what it it sounds like, and how it's still Star Wars and I have no reason to believe he isn't still doing that when:
- October 28th 2019.
I don't know how much more recently you want than less than 2 months ago.
Which means that sure his films haven't been greenlit to go to production, but that's also not the same thing as "not working on it"
Even beyond that Solo released in May 2018, his last updates were in August and October 28th 2019. Over a year after Solo. So I don't really see how those two things connect. Whatever was true about the future of the Star Wars slate in August or October would still be true now and if anything was going to change it would be in the upcoming months based on the reception of TROS.
I think it was more the delivery of the line and the context of the internet wars that raged after TLJ. That scene, whether intentional or not, felt like Mark Hamill talking to the audience. It should have been a more sombre moment.
Wow Episode 9.... as someone who didn't like Episode 8 my hot take:
Episode 8 tried but ultimately failed to elevate SW.
Episode 9 is "fuck it here is a bunch of OT fan service."
I actually like Episode 8 more after seeing this soulless husk of a movie. It is so predictable and pandering to fans there's literally nothing interesting to discuss here.
Episode 8 tried but ultimately failed to elevate SW.
Episode 9 is "fuck it here is a bunch of OT fan service."
I actually like Episode 8 more after seeing this soulless husk of a movie. It is so predictable and pandering to fans there's literally nothing interesting to discuss here.
Considering that TFA was a retread of ANH and Snoke was a retread of the emperor I'm so glad we got at least one movie with a good original script this trilogy.
There's no pacing or any attempt at actual story telling, things just happen and then the film demands that you accept it.
Completely agree. Disney's large failing was not locking 1 director in for all 3 movies.
I'm reading a crap ton of SW comics right now and frankly I'm fine if that's how some of the holes resolve.
Rian killed Snoke, because having yet another Palpatine-like villain is fucking lame. JJ proved his point by making Snoke a Palpatine doll and literally making Palpatine the big villain again.
Is like poetry, it rhymes.
Curious about this. I HATED The Last Jedi after my opening night viewing. Truly. I was so dismayed. I'm now a convert and really rather like it. There was plenty in TROS that I did like but that first viewing was rough. The pacing was crazy. Funnily enough I remember the same with TFA. I think it's just the cinema experience being rather overwhelming compared to watching on Blu-ray on your own time. Maybe, just maybe, my disappointment with TROS will subside and I can enjoy it. At the very least Buba Frik was amazing.
Killing Snoak in TLJ was good and moved us directly into Darth Jacen Ben Solo. That is your final film right there.
EP 9 would still need to address who Snoak was and give us some basic TFO/Luke lore on screen but not too much. Like in The Godfather Part II.
ROS didn´t do shit on that front unless you count the bewildering Alien 4 homage with the Snoak jars. Somemething something it fix it in post. Aka. comics, books, shows...
Buba Frik is Buba Cool. (I like Porgs btw.)
EP 9 would still need to address who Snoak was and give us some basic TFO/Luke lore on screen but not too much. Like in The Godfather Part II.
ROS didn´t do shit on that front unless you count the bewildering Alien 4 homage with the Snoak jars. Somemething something it fix it in post. Aka. comics, books, shows...
Buba Frik is Buba Cool. (I like Porgs btw.)
I don't mind that scene, Luke is more at peace and trying to be inspiring, as one with the force.
Still trying retcon the 'you're nothing, you come from nothing" and Rey's having to overcome this fear, to accept this trauma of abandonment was well... what more can be said? I know the villain said that but it had a point in the story.
Also putting Rose and Hux in the background, who weren't that popular with the fans but aren't bad characters and should still have had a influential role.... (I mean Domhnall Gleeson is a talent you appreciate) Luke's spark of hope having no influence on the new rebellion, and reminding you straight away Kylo can't be the big bad. The irony may be lost on people who complained TLJ was the one that disregarded the set ups of the previous film.
For sure. Goes for most games as well...
For sure. It´s a movie with zero originality and soul. No new ideas, no risk. I watched someone saying that this is how JJ Abrams do his stuff, he is very formulaic and just redo previous stories. Seems about right.
I think that it would have been way better for Rise of Skywalker if the plot was indeed about Kylo and Rey grouping up and trying to destroy the Force and end Jedis and Siths. And they would be go up against "normal" soldiers.
Also I'd like to send my condolences to Kelly Tran, she really didn't deserve that treatment. Actually fucking insulting, I don't even know if I saw her at the celebration in the end. I've never seen a character treated so disrespectfully in a film, taking a back seat bipolar boba and forced Finn love interest.
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