Of course he's not gonna say it directly. But we all saw the film, not matter how much he tried to hide it.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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Of course he's not gonna say it directly. But we all saw the film, not matter how much he tried to hide it.
I don't think Leia turns Ben. The way I read it was more it was the actions of Rey that did.
She had basically won and killed him, but choose to give him part of her life to save his.
I saw it and I really didn't see any disrespect there
Depends on what you're looking for, I guess. If you like high action and don't care much about character development, this is a really great movie. Top-tier action, set pieces, backgrounds, and even comic relief. If you care more about the characters themselves and their personal journeys...yea, the movie is going to feel like it's missing something.
Nor did I.
The tug-of-war scene was so fucking cool though. Legit gasped when Rey zapped the ship.
Maybe it would have worked better if it wasn't Chewie who got captured, since later they show he's alive and well? idk, maybe some local villager who helped them reach the ship?
Maybe it would have worked better if it wasn't Chewie who got captured, since later they show he's alive and well? idk, maybe some local villager who helped them reach the ship?
I'm kinda the opposite. At the end of the day, I came for space wizards with laser swords and I got a lot of that.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's a good time
don't ask him to think!
Agree. Something of value needed to be lost to allow that scene to have weight. They sort of robbed it of a lot of its post-chewy impact.
Destroying the Emperor was a side effect of saving his son. For a character that is essentially Satan in the Star Wars universe I do think he warranted a more intentioned end.
The Skywalker family was manipulated across generation by, again, Star Wars Satan. They were a 'failure' with Darth Vader, and all the same they facilitated the death of the Emperor through Rey.
Kylo Ren is a title, like Darth Vader. The fact that the Knights of Ren didn't follow Kylo around in TFA or TLJ suggested to me that 'Ren' is more of an order than a person.
Agreed. Folks are too quick to jump to TLJ's defense. Probably because of the years of constant arguing, but honestly that scene was a good example of Luke's growth during the events of TLJ. And also took it as a nod to Rey, who was baffled when she saw him do the same thing when they first met.
It's nice that Yoda and co. brought back Mace Windu and the others from the void to make them into Force ghosts
But Lando blows up the goddamn Death Star again.
It's not that Rose needed to be or even should have been a *major* character in this, or another personal arc. It's that she's given absolutely nothing of consequence to do. The movie is literally all arbitrary plot mechanics and yet they just couldn't find one for her, for some reason. She deserved some kind of moment, even a minor one.
This was a fun movie to watch that just doesn't stand up to any degree of scrutiny. Enjoyed it at the time but I've either already forgotten significant chunks of it or actively don't like most of what I do.
People like to compare this trilogy to the prequels too. I thought the kiss was as cringeworthy and stupid as just about anything in the PT. It received similar audible groans in my theatre to Alien Covenents flute fingering.
People like to compare this trilogy to the prequels too. I thought the kiss was as cringeworthy and stupid as just about anything in the PT. It received similar audible groans in my theatre to Alien Covenents flute fingering.
That's an interesting perspective. I would have said folks are too quick to jump to insult TLJ, trying to make everything some sort of justification for their dislike of TLJ by saying JJ was making fun of the movie.
So many pointless pieces .
- big scene about c3po getting his memory wiped .. 5 mins later he is back to normal.
- oh no chewy is dead! .. 5 mins later no he isn't and everything is fine.
- Finn mumbles something to try as he thinks they are dying ... nothing is ever said about again.
- the whole Rose " I love you" from the last movie is never mentioned again.
- Rey can easily float while training, but nearly falls to her death many times after.
- big scene about c3po getting his memory wiped .. 5 mins later he is back to normal.
- oh no chewy is dead! .. 5 mins later no he isn't and everything is fine.
- Finn mumbles something to try as he thinks they are dying ... nothing is ever said about again.
- the whole Rose " I love you" from the last movie is never mentioned again.
- Rey can easily float while training, but nearly falls to her death many times after.
I guess my feeling with Luke and the lightsaber thing was that in TLJ Luke changed his mind but the film wasn't outright stating that his behavior and attitude was wrong, especially considering he makes numerous valid points. I guess that was the intention but the early comedy screws up some of that messaging, that and I don't think Rey did a good enough job countering some of that cynicism. Anyway though, his scene in RoS does flow well from his state of mind in TLJ.
I'm baffled that anyone could not at least enjoy this movie
Fair enough. See I would argue that Lando *was* main cast in RotJ. Not at the level of Han, Luke, and Leia obviously but still a significant player. He was *the* POV character for the space battle and is the one who ultimately blows up the Death Star. Lucas, Kasdan, and Marquand did right by his character. The same can't be said IMO for Rose.
Especially given the blatant "Rose, are you coming along?". "No, I can't. General has me doing busy work". Given the relationship between Rose and Finn in TLJ, she should have been Finn's sounding board instead of creating an entirely new character.
I forgot about this one lol. Loved it.
Honestly I enjoyed all of the humor. Expect that exchange between Wexley/Rose/Leia, it was a bit cringey. I wonder if it was an alternate take of Leia saying to C3PO to light up a little in TLJ.
Yeah, I would also agree with this. It's a touchy conversation it seems haha
that was actually good, i agree
i have no idea why they insisted on keeping R2 and C3PO separated, though. R2 is barely in these fucking sequels.
I was originally upset about that but Palpatine wasn't all that alive really and Rey needed Ben.
It was extremely dumb but didn't ruin it for me like I expected from the leaks
the new droid didnt even do shit! i thought it was gonna show rey her parents dying or something important. they didnt even use the droid for the directions to "icicle"
It had a map to Sith Planet!
But they forgot or something
The megaphone thing had a stutter like Benicio del Toro from TLJ, except he's a good guy!
I would have liked to see her role bigger. Maybe a commander of some sort. But she is not an equivalent of Lando Calrissian.
In context, Rose was what? A security guard/foot soldier by trade who just really believed in the Rebellion and its cause. Lando, by contrast, was a fucking king, with literally his own space station in the clouds. He was the true owner of the Millennium Falcon. He was the most charasmatic sommbitch in the history of Star Wars. It's reasonable that with his power, influence, and history that he be presented in E6 as an important figure as a new member of the Rebellion. Rose has no such background to leverage. If her backstory had been that of a pilot like her sister was, they prob could have done more with that.
In retrospect, they could have made her into a pilot with the character development as her being inspired by her sister's sacrifice. I could see her in a Y-Wing or B-Wing. It would have been dope and she could have gotten good screen time in the final conflict as a squad leader of the first successful downing of one of those Star Destoyers or something. Or maybe they could have put her in Poe's squad and they could have had each other's backs.
I completely agree that Rose deserved more screen time. But a Lando equivalent she is not.
maybe the droid is benicio del toro's character reincarnated. that plot line is now resolved.
and both are useless mcguffins forgotten about 5 minutes later lmao
They gave Dominic Monaghan all the lines she should have had. It was weird
Second best movie of the worst SW trilogy. Episodic movies make so much money so there will be an ep10 within 3 years. I hope next time they don't do the open meandering freedom they gave to directors in the ST. The retcons in this were out of hand.
goddamn right.
No. but giving it to a single director throughout would be nice.
Yeah, I mean I'm going more and more negative on this movie as it marinates in my head, but I do not think it contains any real pettiness from Abrams. Luke was wrong in TLJ! That was Johnson's arc for him!
You know, from all the contradictory moments in the movie that felt like it was outright ignoring or making a statement against The Last Jedi, I didn't feel that way with Luke catching the lightsaber. It felt like a natural progression of his character, after finally falling out of his depressive slump and realizing how important the Jedi are to the galaxy at large. It was like he was telling Rey not to make the same mistakes he made.
LMAO
I detect no lies. I do like potato salad and I loved the potato salad that TROS offered. I just would have liked some other sides and a main course of character development to go with it, you know? :-(
I don't think there were any contradictory moments of note at all. All of them were explained and justified. Including Luke's saber catch and comment, as anyone who actually watched and absorbed the lessons he learned and personal growth he found from the beginning of TLJ to the end should have understood.
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