Hux's storyline feels like a punchy and more concise evolution of his TLJ arc. I feel like JJ's handling of him got all the laughs Rian was looking for.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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I don't know what to make of this or the lightsabre catch. "A Jedi's weapon deserves more respect". A charitable reading is that it's JJ trying to continue Luke's character arc from TLJ, where he actually does learn from his failure and realise that shutting himself away and ending the Jedi order was never the right idea. I think Rian would probably have had similar moments if he'd been the one to do Episode IX (though, in saying that, there's zero chance Rian would have taken Rey back to Ach To to become a hermit for all of three minutes. Fucking ludicrous :P).
But then looking at how badly JJ botched some of the other plot threads and characterisations, I could honestly believe that JJ didn't understand anything at all about TLJ and those lines are literally just him looking down the barrel of the camera and directly addressing his apologies to Reddit. That's exactly what the "We should do some Holdo manoeuvres" scene is.
Honestly I wanna read his script. It's hard to imagine it being much worse
I thought he basically said that at the end of TLJ, when he decided to project and gave his "everything you just said is wrong" thing. I used to always quote "the legacy of the Jedi is failure" and TLJ fans have told me I missed the point. So which is it??
What the fuck happened to Matt Smith? They made a HUGE deal about him being cast in this film.
Also, on that note, what was the point of the big deal made of Dominic Monaghan being in this film? He did nothing.
Also, on that note, what was the point of the big deal made of Dominic Monaghan being in this film? He did nothing.
So we got a forced unwanted kiss in the last movie and a forced unnecessary kiss in this movie.
I watched TLJ last night, and found myself FF through every scenes that did not include Rey, Kylo, Luke and the lightspeed scene. I mean everything else is tough to rewatch.
In a leaked shooting scedule, the Knights of Ren found it and then Maz stole it
I feel like I just got a glimpse inside Abrams' brain and I wish I hadn't.
I'd argue this wasn't much better written than the prequels
Probably to try to justify why was she so powerful and have unique abilities compared to every other Jedi... Anakin's mom was a nobody..but he did get conceived without a father.
Thing is. There should be nothing really special about the Palpatine bloodline besides being an heir to the throne. Are we now supposed to think that Sheev was strong because of his bloodline and not his apprenticeship under Plagueis?
thats true plus no one can deny that all three provided scenes that were breathtaking.
I'll tell you what I think happened with the Finn force sensitive stuff. One of the early rumors about the plot was that Finn and Poe learn who Rey is by way of Lando. Somehow Lando knew who she really was. And what I think happened is the story was rewritten so that it's Ben who reveals the info to her. So the story was rejiggered so that Finn is force sensitive instead of having knowledge about Rey's parents.
Because JJ pandered to people who complained about her being a Mary Sue.
JJ would've had a movie that pleased both those who hated and loved TLJ by not including the Rose "the general needs me to stay back" line and Luke catching the lightsaber bs.
Those two scenes made it very clear JJ wanted to troll RJ in the same way JJ felt trolled after watching TLJ.
Those two scenes made it very clear JJ wanted to troll RJ in the same way JJ felt trolled after watching TLJ.
Glad you got to experience at least the best parts of the movie.
I wish he'd pandered to my complaint that we needed more Rose and less space horses but we got the opposite
The same is not true of the original trilogy. Those movies had characters who wanted things. They were then put in conflict with characters who wanted different things. Those conflicts created themes and those conflicts were resolved in a way that further developed those themes. In Rise of the Skywalker the things the characters want change constantly (sometimes because we find out that they and the audience have been lied to, sometimes it just sort of happens offscreen) and themes are just self-serious monologues that characters give in awkward closeup.
It's all surface, with nothing at its core, a film that relies on momentum to ape substance.
This is what really hate about how they just gave Finn a Jedi role in this without anyone else acknowledging it or having any sort of payoff. If you wanted that from TFA then just put it in the damn film. TroS is they wanted it to be an apology for the bait and switch but it's just another slap in the face from LF. Fuck them for doing it.
This was a problem from TLJ. They made Hux into a literal clown in that movie so there would be zero credibility in making a fearsome Admiral again. That finishing of secondary and tertiary conflicts in the second movie is something that hamstrung the finale. There was a building rivalry in TFA and the 1st half of TLJ where there was a sort of evil trio to go against the good guys trio. Poe was being a commander vs Hux as his foil, which would've been something new giving us a more tactician rivalry against leadership roles. Finn and Phasma as the slaver against the freed slave. Then Rey and Kylo as the main conflict. The climaxes of TLJ killed two of these and left Finn and Poe to be more aimless in their conclusion arcs.
Well, TROS was made for viewers just like you. All plot and no character development.
I read a Spider-Man comic arc by Straczynski where it's revealed that the spider that bit Peter Parker was intentional and by the command of a spider god or some stupid shit. I hate when writers do that, it blows my mind how they don't get that a regular human being drawn into an unexpected adventure is so much more compelling than "it was fated to be" bullshit.
Did they imply Lando is Jannah's father??
Also, who the fuck is Sheev's child and why weren't they strong with the Force? Feels like there's a whole story here remaining to be told.
Also, who the fuck is Sheev's child and why weren't they strong with the Force? Feels like there's a whole story here remaining to be told.
That Luke scene was beyond awful, and likely what Mark H secretly wanted from TLJ. Which says it all, really.
That was.... not good. The entire first 30 mins or so was really bad videogame action-adventure style wheel spinning. Like a lame Uncharted knock off in the Star Wars universe. All that crap going from planet to planet for nothing! Everything involving Palpatine was lame and stupid. All the new extra love interests introduced for Finn and Poe were ?????????????? and Finn's character arc from Ep7-9 is the most confusing wasted nonsense ever. Feel awful for the actor to be wasted like this.
What did I like? Rey and Ren worked. I think that's the only character dynamic that's consistent across all 3 films. Two lonely young people in a universe where the heroes have come and gone, and now they try to understand their place in it and forge an identity in all the chaos and confusion they have within themselves.
Everything else was super mediocre and unimaginative. Abrams can do better. It didn't even feel like he tried very hard here.
What did I like? Rey and Ren worked. I think that's the only character dynamic that's consistent across all 3 films. Two lonely young people in a universe where the heroes have come and gone, and now they try to understand their place in it and forge an identity in all the chaos and confusion they have within themselves.
Everything else was super mediocre and unimaginative. Abrams can do better. It didn't even feel like he tried very hard here.
Total bullshit. That tactician rivalry literally plays out in the climax with Hux wanting to advance but Kylo needed to stop everything to face Luke which lost them the battle. Hux's final stare at Kylo perfectly sets up a more intense rivalry going forward.
All they did was introduce more questions by attempting to answer everything.
I disagree on the lightsaber catch. I think that matches his character arc in TLJ and was one of the nicer nods to it. This film doesn't disregard everything from TLJ, but it does with a lot of its major theme and plot points.
Conversely, at least the prequels didnt invalidate literally every accomplishment of the OT and shit on all the characters in the process as well.
If they really wanted to tie this into the prequels, it would have made more sense for Rey to have been a miracle birth with no father. I mean Anakin is implied to be a creation of Palpatine, but now you're telling me sheev's dna creates a more powerful force being than the midichlorians
I believe he and his writing partner wrote at least two drafts. One with Leia, before Carrie died, and one afterward without her. I'd love to read either just to see what he did with it. But I want to read every early Star Wars script lol. I'm still hoping for Michael Arndt's work-in-progress draft to be released/leaked.
The rumors I've been reading say that Matt Smith was on the set and may have filmed stuff, but it didn't make the movie.
Yes, it was cut from the movie. In the plot leaks there is a scene where Lando tells them the First Order targeted the children of heroes of the Rebellion and his daughter was taken from him when he was off on a mission with Luke.
Rivalry? The part where Hux is literally yelling out Kylo orders next to him? Then gets thrown to the side once it annoys Kylo?
And you misread what I wrote, having the foil between Poe and Hux and commanders on the battle field. Which would be something not explored in the movies.
When They said "emperor palpatine has been pulling the strings the whole time", I half expected them to look at the camera directly and say it. The first 30 min were bad.
Probably that mission where Luke conveniently doesn't tell people that Palpatine is around and kicking.
Uhh yea? Even though he was subordinate to him he was obviously going to try to undercut his power and the fact that Kylo got clowned on so spectacularly in front of his troops would just give them more confidence in Hux instead of him as tactical leader.
Going to sleep tonight dreaming of a world where Rian Johnson got to do Episode IX and the dead do not speak.
That's actually what I thought they were going to do. Not that Rey would have been born from an immaculate birth, but that she would have been no one, just a vessel of the Force with the power to challenge a new threat and right the wrongs in the galaxy. Ben was the connection to the Solo and Skywalker line, and his redemption arc could have been him rebuilding the Jedi and creating a new temple to train them, instead of whatever we got in this film - it certainly wasn't a redemption. Ben being a connection to the past, and Rey a connection to the future stories of the franchise. A new start.
There are a lot of things I enjoyed about the movie. All of the Rey/Kylo stuff was good. I liked everything they did with Kylo's arc especially the scene with Harrison Ford. Having Rey, Finn, and Poe together for almost the whole movie was fun. They handled Carrie Fisher's passing well and were able to make her scenes meaningful. Really enjoyed all of the new characters with Babu Frick being my favorite.
BUuuuuuut having Rey be a Plapatine is really a terrible creative decision and in a lot of ways ruins her character and lessens sequel trilogy as a whole. It would be so much more impactful if Rey from nowhere mastered the force, defeated the evil, became a Jedi, and then took the Skywalker name in honor of Luke and Leia. By making her Palpatine in the last movie it makes the narrative so small. It keeps the notion of the Force just being a thing for this handful of people. Everything around her parentage reveal misses big for me and felt like pandering.
Overall at this point I would put it as the weakest of the Disney movies, but it is still miles better than the prequels. I hope we get more Rey stories in movie or tv form, because Daisy Ridley was great in this movie (her screaming chewie broke my heart).
BUuuuuuut having Rey be a Plapatine is really a terrible creative decision and in a lot of ways ruins her character and lessens sequel trilogy as a whole. It would be so much more impactful if Rey from nowhere mastered the force, defeated the evil, became a Jedi, and then took the Skywalker name in honor of Luke and Leia. By making her Palpatine in the last movie it makes the narrative so small. It keeps the notion of the Force just being a thing for this handful of people. Everything around her parentage reveal misses big for me and felt like pandering.
Overall at this point I would put it as the weakest of the Disney movies, but it is still miles better than the prequels. I hope we get more Rey stories in movie or tv form, because Daisy Ridley was great in this movie (her screaming chewie broke my heart).
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