It won't. This whole trilogy will be viewed as shit and people will hope they retcon it all.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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It won't. This whole trilogy will be viewed as shit and people will hope they retcon it all.
For all the shit the prequels get, they're infinitely more coherent.
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The acting and dialogue in the prequels is shite..there is no bond between yhr characters and they are on the whole worse than these sequels...
I hate sand.....it gets everywhere..not like your skin...
Anakin and padme had negative chemistry (ie not just zero)...he as creepy stalker and she falls for him why?
Obiwan and Anakin had a huh relationship...mates, brothers, father son...none of the above in how they interact but we are told that they are all of them..
Except the Rey Luke and the kylo Rey arc...the development of those two saves the movie for me...
I understand ppl liking the movie, is a well done movie, with beautiful shots, some good jokes (C3PO is almost the star of the movie for me) and lots of action and epicness. (which felt flat to me, but could work for a number of ppl)
What I don't get is ppl believing it properly followed the themes and character arcs of TLJ. The damn movie ended with "everyone can be a Jedi" simbolism and TROS throws out of the window that set up and message.
People really thinks that Rian's vision of TLJ was make Rey a Palpatine or sidetrack Rose after making her one of the key characters? Or even bring ba k Palpatine?
This is why I like the prequels as much as I do. They aren't trying to be the original trilogy. Sure there were callbacks (call forwards?) but the main drive of the prequel trilogy was to show us how the Republic fell, the Jedi were wiped out and the Empire rose. It had a purpose, y'know? It also had its own visual identity, which helped define it against the original trilogy.
The sequel trilogy exists for the sake of existing. It doesn't serve a purpose beyond "Disney wants money", as evidenced by the fact they rushed the trilogy out, didn't have an overarching story and decided two thirds of the way through to rebrand the trilogy as the finale of the "Skywalker Saga". It has no visual identity of its own since the First Order is just the Empire with a slightly different paint job, it brings back as many people as it can from the original trilogy just to kill them off...
It doesn't even progress the narrative of the galaxy since there's literally no difference between the galaxy immediately after Return of the Jedi and the galaxy immediately after Rise of Skywalker. The whole trilogy is fundamentally pointless.
I thought the sequel trilogy was thematically too cynical but I guess that really just matches Disney's handling of the franchise.
just some woman. who immediately vanished so Rey could go stand by the suns.
...that ending was clunky as hell.
If your problem is that the Last Jedi spent time doing things that were ultimately pointless, I would argue this movie makes the entire original trilogy pointless. The Emperor was still around, fine and dandy, pulling the strings and somehow building an invincible fleet of mini Death Stars. What, exactly, did Luke accomplish?
Or we can acknowledge that sometimes characters fail and that's okay.
High Chance that Rey will do something to bring her boyfriend back.
Fucking nonsense. Kylo killing Snoke and becoming the supreme leader of the first order was huge and had huge potential going into a third movie, JJ just threw it away to do a reset. Rey parents actually just being no one was also incredible, as was Luke sacrificing himself. Why does it need more plot development than that? All ESB did was reveal Vader is Lukes father and further Lukes training via Yoda the same way TLJ did with Rey via Luke.
Nitpicks and thoughts stream of consciousness
- Where the fuck did Palpatine get those ships and how did he make him, i can accept if it was another death star but a fucking fleet even with the cultist that's ridiculous and who the fuck are the cultist
- The pacing in this thing is way too fast paced, i don't know why it didn't bother me in tfa as much but there's no time to breathe
- The editing in the beginning was fucking weird
- I hate Rey being a Skywalker and a Palpatine and always preferred her being more independent.
- Honestly the Palpatine twisr could have worked for me if it was explored more but there's a billion fetch quests and characters. It feels Abrams aping the Vader twist but is either a hack or he didn't have enough time which would still made him a hack
- The new characters were cool and interesting but they shouldn't be in this movie and should be in a eu comic or Disney plus show. All they do is stuff the movie. Again i like the former stormtrooper but it's too late to introduce them or at least should have cut down on the fetch quests and poe origin and had them meet in the beginning
- I like rey and ren relationship even if the pace kills certain moments
- There's so many rememberries or whatever that's more eye rolling than anything
- Some of the action was cool Abrams does that well
- The leia scenes were obviously edited around a body double because in conversation they keeo cutting to the back of her head when the other person was talking. It's not a negative because i wouldn't blame anyone for fumbling this. It just funny
- So many dumb fakeout deaths or at least 2 dumb fakeouts that added nothing. If chewie stayed dead that could at least be drama for Rey and her being afraid of her Palpatine blood part of the story. But nope he was in another unseen space ship
- C3po whole subplot is pointless and just drags the movie
- I like the conclusion to TLJ about them inspiring hope but the actual execution brought about no emotion in me
- I like the idea of them fighting on star destroyer
- Hux being a spy added nothing
- I'm glad Palpatine is there instead of Ren taking over and making him do what he was going to do anyway (sarcasm)
- Ren arc was rushed and like everything need focus
Wasn't that what TFA did to the whole OT and PT, though? Biggest failure is JJ Abrams/Disney (blame must be shared here) not having a single creative bone in his body and trying to mimic the OT step by step. Which makes all the sacrifices that happen before completely pointless.
I thought maybe even just as a bit of a dumb popcorn flick with way too much fan service that it'd still be fun, but it really wasn't. I don't know if I've seen a film use so many deus ex machina before. So little of the plot felt like it organically moved forward, none of the big reveals or moments landed, or just came off tepid, laughable even. The films structure is really weak. Also, that kiss at the end, like fuck off, that fellow was her abuser. Movie was just all around quite bad, with a few exceptions.
The score was nice, a few too many OT beats, but was a nice positive, and I think the cast really gave it their best. I think those are really the only positive things I can say. I'm sure down the road i'll still be able to watch it and have a degree of fun with it, like I can Revenge of the Sith, but it was easily the weakest of the sequel trilogy, and just an overall weak film.
The score was nice, a few too many OT beats, but was a nice positive, and I think the cast really gave it their best. I think those are really the only positive things I can say. I'm sure down the road i'll still be able to watch it and have a degree of fun with it, like I can Revenge of the Sith, but it was easily the weakest of the sequel trilogy, and just an overall weak film.
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TLJ as revered as Empire Strikes Back in 10 years?
I um, I think that's unlikely.
Your first paragraph here is actually something that many complain about - i.e. that the Sequel Trilogy (not just TLJ) wound up undoing the victories and character growth of the original trilogy. Papa Palpatine being literally alive and kicking is really just the final cherry on top of this.
Yeah thats true. I really liked the force conversations that Rey and Kyle had in TLJ. They were also the best parts of ROS.
This is the core of why this film is soulless and why TLJ is the best Star Wars film ever made in my book. It's the only SW film to propose the question that maybe we can make our own destinies and aren't beholden to blood, that family actually isn't everything.
here in an instant, gone in a flash. didn't make any sense, narratively or in universe.
I think this is accurate.
They really, truly didn't. One of the prequels' most spectacular failures is its lack of camaraderie and cohesion among its most important characters.
A salient point that sails over the heads of reflexive TLJ haters. TLJ is the only movie in the Sequel Trilogy that so much as leans toward a fresh direction for the main storyline.
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I didn't mind Chewie being alive after all but holy cow what made the fake outs dumb for me is the movie moves so fast they don't even let you get faked out before the twist happens. Pretty sure Chewie is said to be alive like two minutes after Rey thinks she killed him. Hux asks Finn to shoot him so it looks like he was overpowered so they can escape with the dagger but he's sniffed out and killed again like two minutes later.
It's all part of the movie's bigger problem that it doesn't know how to pay anything off effectively and in a way that catches the audience off guard.It's just so interested in moving on to the next thing. Every time a plot thing happened you practically see "Saving, please wait..."in a corner like it's an Uncharted game.
This movie respects nothing, not just TLJ. It doesn't even jive with the OT or prequels. It doesn't respect the basic rules of moviemaking, it doesn't respect the audience. It's just two hours of SW white noise with 5 minutes of properly handled drama (the Ben/Leia/Han scene) in the middle. Nothing else is earned or explained properly.
Yeah, anakin and Obiwan can barely stand each other most of the time and the only good interactions we get with them are "Hey, remember that time I saved your ass before hte movie started?" Everything that could be said has been said about Padme's romance with Anakin. And Padme and Obiwan...they basically have no real relationship? I can't think of a single interaction they had that wasn't basically just professional until the point where Obiwan has to tell her Anakin killed children.
Now don't get me wrong, the new trio not feeling like a crew is it's own flaw, yes, but prequels don't get retroactive credit just because the ST failed at that part too.
Is this the part where we pretend Holdo was a good character anyone liked?
Not even the defenders actually seem to like her
Yes, this is the part were we argue about characters totally irrelevant to what we're talking about but before we start on Holdo, tell me what your defense is of Tion Medon? Well?
The story's bold moves are taken back as soon the audience has time to go "Oh wow." Chewie's accidental death at Rey's hands, C-3PO's memory wipe, Rey's apparent death... The audience is conditioned to ignore the stakes when nothing feels permanent.
Absolute garbage.
Palpatine reminded me of channeling Arnold in T3 of just doing a pisstake of himself. The force powers and abilities have jumped the shark - palpatine frying the entire fleet, mind link stealing items, healing powers, the Jedi force ghosts found the train-freak from 90s Ghost movie for more real world interaction...
Cinematography was so flat and dull, at least Johnson's film got that right.
Also they've toned down the classic star wars laser blaster sounds - rewatching the PT & OT the sound design was way more consistent.
Everyone is pretty much always running - at certain points I don't know if JJ called in Bay to cover his sick leave
Palpatine reminded me of channeling Arnold in T3 of just doing a pisstake of himself. The force powers and abilities have jumped the shark - palpatine frying the entire fleet, mind link stealing items, healing powers, the Jedi force ghosts found the train-freak from 90s Ghost movie for more real world interaction...
Cinematography was so flat and dull, at least Johnson's film got that right.
Also they've toned down the classic star wars laser blaster sounds - rewatching the PT & OT the sound design was way more consistent.
Everyone is pretty much always running - at certain points I don't know if JJ called in Bay to cover his sick leave
But thats literally Rey's arc in RoS. So much so that Luke tells Rey that some things are stronger than blood ties, and when asked at the end of the movie what Rey's last name is (admittedly clunkily), she realises that it isn't biology that defines her and she chooses to be A skywalker because they are the ones that raised her and made her who she is.
Okay thanks I had a moment where I thought they were CG and was about to lose my mind over the quality.
I still don't get the Chewie thing.
Dude has always been portrayed as capable. But he randomly walks away from their ship. Then offscreen he's captured, and when we next see him he's been held captive and is putting up no attempts to get away. Dude has always hated handcuffs. Then he clearly gets on the ship that's blown up, and Rey et al mourn him. Then we're shown he's alive minutes later, but they're all still mourning him. Then they find out he's alive and was on a second, unseen on screen unto then ship.
Like what the fuck? Who edited that shite? You don't undo a fake out before the characters know it was a fake out. Shit, reveal Chewie is alive at the end and have THAT be what snaps Rey out of It and fuck up Palpatine.
And yet she had to be a Palpatine, and the plot had to revolve around Palpatine's plan to bring her to him since she's his grand daughter, and the reason she's force sensitive is because she's a Palpatine
It is the only movie I can think of where I would fast forward an entire act: the casino section and will do so each and every single time I watch it again
Not quite. I might have this wrong, but I recall that her Palpatine blood is used to explain her accidental Force lightning (like that ability is hereditary, lol), and her attraction to the Dark Side. She was much more interesting as a Force-sensitive nobody who carved her own path.
Plus, linking her to one of Star Wars' select few special families was a cop-out. It shrinks the story instead of expanding it.
ehhhhh ?
It's her dagobah cave moment.
on the Death Star ruins?
her dagobah cave moment was on Ahch To. we didn't need a worse version of it here.
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