Yeah? Have you not seen Snatched, The Hunted, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Sin City? There's more buts from the top of my head.
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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Yeah? Have you not seen Snatched, The Hunted, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Sin City? There's more buts from the top of my head.
While I'm here, what are y'all's definitions of Force ghosts? I know what Wookieepedia says and all but it's become a real head-scratcher for me. I mentioned last night that over the course of the sequel trilogy I've sort of gone from getting the vibe that Force ghosts maintain sentience and (spectral) form as we know it for x amount of time and then transform fully into... well. The Force. But somehow the sequels gave me the vibe instead that dying and turning into a Force ghost is effectively a get-out-of-oblivion-free card, yet I'm not sure if maybe that's my brain recklessly trying to accept Luke and Leia's deaths by headcanoning that they hardly mattered save for the fact that almost everybody can't communicate with them anymore.
...That paragraph is a mess with too fast a pace and poor structure but hey this is the TROS thread
...That paragraph is a mess with too fast a pace and poor structure but hey this is the TROS thread
Dark Empire was always a decent one that people hated because it totally ruined Anakins sacrifice. Dark Empire was one of the few EU stories Lucas actually liked
I love so much the fact that the thing that Ben Solo completes and "Darth Vader couldn't" (reference to TFA and the first line Kylo Ren said in the first trailer) is saving someone he loved from death.
I don't know if it was the idea all along, but I found it perfect.
I don't know if it was the idea all along, but I found it perfect.
That's because it's like asking "But whose broomboy at the end of TLJ"
DJ's narrative utility was to offer Finn a life philosophy that tempted him. As someone who wants out of the war for himself and just doesn't want to be invested, DJ's playing the devil on his shoulder saying "Yeah, it's a fucking rigged game, man, you should just be out for yourself with no principles." and that's why his "I am rebel scum" moment comes right after DJ betrays him and leaves. He sees what kind of person he'd become if he went through with not caring for anyone but himself.
So with that out of the way, DJ has no narrative utility. Who is he, where is he now? Who cares, Finn already decided to be a rebel, so he isn't relevant to the story anymore.
TLJ haters: Damn Leia floating in space was so dumb
*TROS shows Palpatine getting one thousand ships that can destroy planets and stupid regenerating powers from fucking nowhere*
TLJ haters: Return to form! After so much dumb shut from TLJ finally done sense!!
*TROS shows Palpatine getting one thousand ships that can destroy planets and stupid regenerating powers from fucking nowhere*
TLJ haters: Return to form! After so much dumb shut from TLJ finally done sense!!
Yeah, the premise was awesome but the execution was horrible.
Gee, why does that sound familiar?
The force is inconsistent as fuck so this isn't really something that bothers me but yes my idea is that force ghosts are a get out of oblivion free card and maintain sentience and can just stick around and materialize whenever they want.
Man I love me some real Star Wars.
JJ so desperate to please SW fans that he made Reylo canon
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It was kind of weird because when he was still dead he looked pretty Darth Sidious pre lightning.
Here's the thing. Star Wars' universe is shallow and small. JJ just said fuck it and dived headfirst into this fact by just celebrating all the recognizable elements of it. I'm fine with that. To me, it felt like a celebration of levity, silliness, and it's past. The banter was fun, Finn and Poe felt more prominent, and it was crazy ambitious to a fault.
I'm good...the more I allow it to sink in, the more it resonates with me. It's stupid Star Wars and doesn't try to be anything else. I like it.
My wife, daughter and myself all loved it. Easily the best in the sequel trilogy. Not even close, actually.
Thank god for Fallen Order and Mando because if the only recent SW content we got was Solo and this I'd be much more cynical rn
I'm just hoping lessons were learned and that the future will be brighter. Despite enjoying both FO and Mando I don't think they're all that great either. But I'm not at the point of hating Star Wars just yet, just feel a lot less positively than I did.
Nothing Rian Johnson did in TLJ Undid anything from TFA. In fact he followed all of the natural threads of the characters as they were set up. It's why it's a Top 3 Star Wars movie.
TFA's setup is what doomed the sequel trilogy.
Where are you all seeing these posts about people complaining about leia and not the stupid shit in this movie?
Luke was never beholden to the ridgid Jedi ways though. Obi Wan and Yoda think he has to kill Vader. He found a different way. Luke already embodied "we are what they grow beyond."
And the Jedi way didn't fail Luke in TLJ. I don't know where you get that idea. There's nothing "Jedi" about killing someone in their sleep because of a (possibly incorrect) vision.
Again, I'm not sure you really understand TLJ. Luke was wrong. The Jedi don't need to end. That's what he came to realize and why Rey (and others) will take up their mantle,
Don't forget Sheev lightning-up the entire resistance fleet, and Rey and Kylo literally doing a Starkiller from The Force Unleashed with that transporter.
Not that it bothers me, personally, but shit's so transparent.
If you keep making posts like this I'll buy more copies of spider-man
Just got back from my showing and I had fun with this movie. Growing up with Star Wars OT on VHS in the 80's as a kid, the special editions as a teenager in the 90's and the prequels In the 00s as a young adult and now the sequel trilogy as an adult, I've liked pretty much every Star Wars movie. The OT is still my favorite maybe due to the nostalgia and yes RotJ feels like an ending, but this feels like a 2nd ending to an expanded story. Somehow I feel they pulled it off to create a trilogy that acts as both a reboot on its own and a sequel part of a larger story. Looking back, I feel each movie flows well from one to the other with both the plot and character development. Episodes VII and VIII seemed to be more character focused than the focused on moving the plot along so it does seem like a lot of the plot regarding resistance vs first order was moved along quickly in the first half of IX.
My only nitpick of the sequel trilogy is that the overall plot probably should have been spread out more in VII and VIII. But I did love the character development despite some of it feeling a little predictable (sometimes predictable is good!). I also enjoy the parallels that VII has with IV, VIII has with V and IX has with VI, which makes the new trilogy feel like a reboot as well as a sequel.
The writing process seems like they wrote the beginning, then the middle and then the end, which I feel is a valid process as is starting with the end and working backwards. I don't feel like there were any retcons in this one... since everything makes sense by keeping a lot of plot lines open and unanswered in VII and VIII. A lot of my predictions came to pass which is a good thing since I feel like there was some 'foreshadowing' even if it wasn't planned to be foreshadowing in advance mainly due to directing characters to react a certain way. Kind of like how George made the original Star Wars being able to be its own movie where Darth Vader isn't Luke's father, but also could be his father if the movie became popular enough, so I think George directed Alec Guinness to deliver the line about Vader betraying and murdering Luke's father as if he is hiding something. I feel like JJ and Rian did similar directing of the actors on how to deliver their lines in VII and VIII.
My only nitpick of the sequel trilogy is that the overall plot probably should have been spread out more in VII and VIII. But I did love the character development despite some of it feeling a little predictable (sometimes predictable is good!). I also enjoy the parallels that VII has with IV, VIII has with V and IX has with VI, which makes the new trilogy feel like a reboot as well as a sequel.
The writing process seems like they wrote the beginning, then the middle and then the end, which I feel is a valid process as is starting with the end and working backwards. I don't feel like there were any retcons in this one... since everything makes sense by keeping a lot of plot lines open and unanswered in VII and VIII. A lot of my predictions came to pass which is a good thing since I feel like there was some 'foreshadowing' even if it wasn't planned to be foreshadowing in advance mainly due to directing characters to react a certain way. Kind of like how George made the original Star Wars being able to be its own movie where Darth Vader isn't Luke's father, but also could be his father if the movie became popular enough, so I think George directed Alec Guinness to deliver the line about Vader betraying and murdering Luke's father as if he is hiding something. I feel like JJ and Rian did similar directing of the actors on how to deliver their lines in VII and VIII.
He needed to have taken dead Kit Fisto's light saber or something
Still blows my mind that this is how Palps goes out
To suggest TLJ has "no ideas," when it...
- introduces the theme of accepting uncertainty and mistakes, embracing failure as a teacher
- conveys Kylo's hypocritical obsession with letting the past die
- establishes Rey and Kylo's unique connection and tangled destiny
- gives meaningful resolution to Luke's lifelong journey
- sets up the Jedi legacy to spring from and grow beyond the legend of Luke Skywalker
- turns Rey into a self-actualized person who doesn't let her past define her present
- challenges each character to face and surpass their fears and limitations
- and democratizes the Force, restoring its mystical nature as the energy field that binds the universe together, so it's not just a set of magical powers for the Jedi and Sith to throw around
is a leap.
My "way too early" pre-digestion ranking:
I mostly ask myself if it was a positive experience and whether or not I was entertained. Rise of Skywalker completely delivered all that. I'm also kinda exhausted after strongly disliking TLJ at first, participating in the arguments, and then coming around nearly 180 degrees on it.
I also love every single one of these movies even if the Prequels can feel like a giant cartoon at times.
- Return of the Jedi
- Rise of Skywalker
- The Force Awakens
- Empire Strikes Back
- The Last Jedi
- A New Hope
- Revenge of the Sith
- Attack of the Clones
- Phantom Menace
I mostly ask myself if it was a positive experience and whether or not I was entertained. Rise of Skywalker completely delivered all that. I'm also kinda exhausted after strongly disliking TLJ at first, participating in the arguments, and then coming around nearly 180 degrees on it.
I also love every single one of these movies even if the Prequels can feel like a giant cartoon at times.
Good point. They really are like Anakin and Padme reincarnated
I'm still debating whether to rewatch it soon-ish or not. I did with TLJ after being uncertain how I felt after it and enjoyed it a lot more on the second viewing, but I'm not sure about TRoS.
I was iffy on TRoS coming out of the theater and my impression hasn't improved at all so I'm not planning on a rewatch for a long time personally.
Posted in the other thread, but I really think a little change like this would have made a big difference.
EPISODE IX THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
General Leia Organa works tirelessly to rebuild the Resistance and prepare the galaxy for its last stand against a divided First Order, while Rey seeks long-lost Jedi knowledge to stop the diabolical Kylo Ren and his fearsome cult.
Meanwhile, General Hux and his supporters arrive on the mysterious planet Exogol where they hope to find a mythological power which could give them unchallenged supremacy over the First Order.
Basically, build on TLJ's death of Snoke, which has led to a divided First Order, with Kylo and his supporters now operating more like a fanatical cult (nice way of bringing in the Knights of Ren, making more parallels to crusaders and the like), while General Hux looks for a power to give him the edge, which leads him to Exogol where he accidentally "revives" Palpatine.
EPISODE IX THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
General Leia Organa works tirelessly to rebuild the Resistance and prepare the galaxy for its last stand against a divided First Order, while Rey seeks long-lost Jedi knowledge to stop the diabolical Kylo Ren and his fearsome cult.
Meanwhile, General Hux and his supporters arrive on the mysterious planet Exogol where they hope to find a mythological power which could give them unchallenged supremacy over the First Order.
Basically, build on TLJ's death of Snoke, which has led to a divided First Order, with Kylo and his supporters now operating more like a fanatical cult (nice way of bringing in the Knights of Ren, making more parallels to crusaders and the like), while General Hux looks for a power to give him the edge, which leads him to Exogol where he accidentally "revives" Palpatine.
I haven't ever seen a franchise be this ashamed of its own output since Chrono Cross retconned Chrono Trigger into being the worst thing ever.
Yeh I don't see anyone praising that shitshow near the end of TROS.
Both scenes are God awful, but at least in TROS they're hamming it up instead of being pure cringe
Which is really bizarre because TLJ was divisive but it was still well received overall and still made a shitton of money. Catering to a subset of your uber hardcore adult fans to the point where your movie suffers from it is so baffling.
Just got back from the movie so these are my initial thoughts.
The first hour or so is pretty bad. It's rushed (and does feel almost like a full movie condensed into an hour). The dagger macguffin is so stupid (why make a dagger that shows the shape of the throne room). It reminds me of Star Trek Into Darkness in a lot of ways.
The rest of the movie is a little bit better. It feels like it slowed down and focused a bit and I found it more enjoyable. Not great, but dumb fun Star Wars action so it ended on a somewhat high note for me.
A lot of the big plot points feel like really dumb fan fiction (or old EU). Rey being the Emperor's daughter (I laughed when this got revealed), every Star Destroyer having Death Star superlasers on them, the Emperor using force lightning to disable thousands of ships.
It was very obvious Leia's part was old cut footage since everything she was saying was so generic but what can you do, I'm sure they did the best that they could with the footage they had.
I wasn't expecting Harrison Ford to make a cameo, I wonder how much he got paid for those 2 minutes.
It feels like they go out of their way to contradict the Last Jedi multiple times. I also kinda feel bad for the actress who plays Rose since she basically got Jar Jared in this movie.
On a personal note I was pretty unhappy that the Mon Calamari didn't participate in the final battle at all, it annoyed me that they didn't come to help the Resistance at the end of the Last Jedi and it bothered me they didn't bring their capital ships to assist the Resistance at the end of this movie either. Feels out of character for the species (and I'm not going to lie I wanted to see more new ships from them besides the Raddus from Episode 8 since Mon Calamari crusiers are some of my favorite ships in all of sci-fi).
Overall I think I liked it a bit more than the Last Jedi (which I though was was pretty average, I liked the Rey/Kylo/Luke storyline but didn't like much else). I'm feeling like putting it on part with Episode 7 right now, which I liked just a little bit more than Episode 8 (Rogue One is my favorite of the Disney Star Wars flicks). Another okay but not great Star Wars movie from Disney.
The first hour or so is pretty bad. It's rushed (and does feel almost like a full movie condensed into an hour). The dagger macguffin is so stupid (why make a dagger that shows the shape of the throne room). It reminds me of Star Trek Into Darkness in a lot of ways.
The rest of the movie is a little bit better. It feels like it slowed down and focused a bit and I found it more enjoyable. Not great, but dumb fun Star Wars action so it ended on a somewhat high note for me.
A lot of the big plot points feel like really dumb fan fiction (or old EU). Rey being the Emperor's daughter (I laughed when this got revealed), every Star Destroyer having Death Star superlasers on them, the Emperor using force lightning to disable thousands of ships.
It was very obvious Leia's part was old cut footage since everything she was saying was so generic but what can you do, I'm sure they did the best that they could with the footage they had.
I wasn't expecting Harrison Ford to make a cameo, I wonder how much he got paid for those 2 minutes.
It feels like they go out of their way to contradict the Last Jedi multiple times. I also kinda feel bad for the actress who plays Rose since she basically got Jar Jared in this movie.
On a personal note I was pretty unhappy that the Mon Calamari didn't participate in the final battle at all, it annoyed me that they didn't come to help the Resistance at the end of the Last Jedi and it bothered me they didn't bring their capital ships to assist the Resistance at the end of this movie either. Feels out of character for the species (and I'm not going to lie I wanted to see more new ships from them besides the Raddus from Episode 8 since Mon Calamari crusiers are some of my favorite ships in all of sci-fi).
Overall I think I liked it a bit more than the Last Jedi (which I though was was pretty average, I liked the Rey/Kylo/Luke storyline but didn't like much else). I'm feeling like putting it on part with Episode 7 right now, which I liked just a little bit more than Episode 8 (Rogue One is my favorite of the Disney Star Wars flicks). Another okay but not great Star Wars movie from Disney.
I ended up seeing TLJ 3 times before the opening weekend was up but I can't see myself rewatching this movie before it hits digital or something unless I'm dragged and even then I don't know that I want to see it again
The rumor is they'll announce the 2022 film. Probably nothing other than that. Maybe a few shows or a cartoon but no other major movies.
Remove "revives palpatine" and I'd be fine with this. Kylo and Hux vying for power over the first order and tearing the whole thing apart in the process is what should've happened, with the resistance coming in to deal the final blow.
Sadly Kylo didn't say that, he said "I'll finish what you started."
I don't mind the force being some magical thing that can do anything but is fun to see how this movie pushed way more forward the bullshit than TLJ, when in comparison TLJ was fucking tame.
The whole ending was some stupid fucking bullshit that I expect from some dumb videogame. Rian was right, all along.
I'm sorry I was hard on TLJ is so much better than this shit.
If he could write worth a damn, he would have let Rey name herself as a Skywalker exactly how she does, but maintain the TLJ thread where she's just a daughter of nameless junk traders. This would reaffirm one of TLJ's best ideas: what matters is who you are and what you make of yourself, not where you come from.
Though JJ letting Rey be a skywalker is one of the good things he did. Though it's immediately undercut by him also making her a palpatine
This way the Skywalker line would live on in spirit, enduring through the years as an aspirational title for a better, less dogmatic class of Jedi.
Reviving Palpie is fine, basically his spirit would just take over Hux' body. I think it's fun and it also would give something for Luke (and even Anakin) to do something with. They brought back the main cast for this trilogy, it's ok to have one last go against Palpie.
I'm sad we only really got actual Ben for a few minutes of screen time (part of which included getting randomly thrown into a pit which was dumb). in a better movie that moment where he does the Han shrug after getting Anakin's saber through the force connection with Rey would have been an all time moment. wish he had more time to be Ben so he could play up his personality of being Han and Leia's son, Driver has the chops to do that kind of shit.
Before we knew the full ending in the leaks thread I made a shitpost that the truth behind the rule of two was actually that the Sith transfer their essence into the apprentice that kills them and that's why Sheev keeps trying to get people to strike him down in anger, it's all a ritual. And by god JJ did it.
Execute Order 69The only new canon worth remembering now.
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