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Sectorseven

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Oct 25, 2017
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So who did Sheev knock up, anyway? That bald lady from RotS?

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Is that Rey's grandma?
I'm not ready for the porn that will be coming out in the next couple months.
 

jstevenson

Developer at Insomniac Games
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Oct 25, 2017
2,042
Burbank CA
man i didnt even think about that cuz i thought it was an old sith artifact but youre right, literally any way you look at it it makes absolutely no sense. its incredible so many people looked at this script and it came out like this. or maybe thats why it came out like this

I was annoyed about this at first too - but the inscription of the Dagger. being the location of DS2 means the dagger is actually quite new, so in theory it kind of makes sense if it was one of the few ways to help acolytes find their way into the base in the unknown regions.

I'm stretching here to give it the benefit of the doubt.
 

petethepanda

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
6,178
chicago
It kills me how well the scene where Kylo turns works. Han appearing, directly returning to the TFA choice, chucking the saber, all of it. Everything leading up to that scene is awful and rushed and I equally dislike the way it all wraps up afterwards, but it felt like they did find the "right" moment to pivot on. It's a shame the rest doesn't come close to earning it.
 

We_care_a_lot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,157
Summerside PEI
I think he's just done with Star Wars. His involvement in TFA was originally supposed to be minor and really blew up as the production became more difficult, and then Solo became another difficult production to deal with. I don't blame the guy for not wanting to jump into a third one. It does make me better appreciate Kasdan as part of the secret sauce on TFA. That, and Ford breaking his leg for six weeks so JJ had time to rewrite and add new things.
Oh yeah they kind of dicked him around on solo didn't they? I forgot about that.
 

Bor Gullet

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,399
A better version of the Ochi story would have been if he wasn't a Sith acolyte but a New Republic agent trying to take out Palpatine's lineage. That would cause Rey to have tension with Leia and the Resistance, and then Palpatine uses this to try to connect with Rey by telling her how he's the only family she has left and he cares for her and he's just a misunderstood grandpa.

I agree. Ian would have crushed that material too.

"Oh Rey don't kill me pwease. I'm too weak. I'm your loving grandfather."


Or a scene like this between him and Rey would have been aces.
 

Papercuts

Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
11,013
The dagger is the dumbest thing in the movie. Why would they even create a dagger with the shape of the Death Star wreckage? How would they even create that? The Death Star wreckage is in rough waters, surely the tides and erosion will make that dagger useless in the long run. Hell, the puzzle itself doesn't even make sense. The shape of the dagger only points the way to the Wayfinder if you stand in a very specific spot on the planet. If Rey approached the wreckage from literally any other angle, the whole thing wouldn't have worked.

Luckily they crash landed at the exact right spot.

Luckily they crash landed in general so they couldn't just land on the wreckage and they can introduce rose's replacement.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,607
But how would they sell their Kylo merchandise and Kylo comic books?
They were doing a good job of it already!

I don't get this idea that the fate of Kylo Ren's merch rested on him being redeemed. What parent is buying their child a Kylo Ren lunchbox and justifying it to themselves as, "Sure he killed Han Solo and oversaw the destruction of billions of innocent lives, but in a few years it'll all work out?" Kids don't care about that shit! They dress up as Kylo Ren because he looks cool. Just like kids dressed like Darth Vader and played with Vader toys in 1977 long before redemption or Skywalker family ties were on the table. Kids like bad guys too!
 

Gustaf

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Oct 28, 2017
14,926
what the fuck is spice? i mean you cant just call it that, theres ANOTHER massive, influential sci fi series where spice is a big thing so im just assuming its the same? i assume its a drug but not a power source like Dune?

spice is a phrase used for anything.

paying in "spice" means paying with merch, not money, what the merch is can vary.

but the way they make fun of Poe, makes me feel it was literall just Spices for cooking or something
 

jstevenson

Developer at Insomniac Games
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Oct 25, 2017
2,042
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It kills me how well the scene where Kylo turns works. Han appearing, directly returning to the TFA choice, chucking the saber, all of it. Everything leading up to that scene is awful and rushed and I equally dislike the way it all wraps up afterwards, but it felt like they did find the "right" moment to pivot on. It's a shame the rest doesn't come close to earning it.

yeah, this was a good moment in the film, for sure
 

We_care_a_lot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,157
Summerside PEI
It kills me how well the scene where Kylo turns works. Han appearing, directly returning to the TFA choice, chucking the saber, all of it. Everything leading up to that scene is awful and rushed, and I equally dislike the way it all wraps up afterwards, but it felt like they did find the "right" moment to pivot on. It's a shame the rest doesn't come close to earning it.
So much loss, regret and love. Even with their father son relationship barely being established in TFA, Driver and Ford absolutely sold the scene incredibly well. I teared up and that NEVER happens to me. I'm not a cryer lol
 

MidweekCoyote

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Mar 23, 2018
860
Oh boy. I just came out.

I really enjoyed the movie until around the hour mark. Then... Then.

It's not as bad as AotC, but I struggle to place it above anything else.
 

MrBadger

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Oct 27, 2017
2,552
Also Luke's X-Wing was OPERATIONAL?!?!?!

I mean we have established in ESB you can submerge an X-Wing and it's fine. Even though Luke had used part of the wing of it for the door of his hut.

But it completely undermines what he did in TLJ - he could've left the planet and helped in person! I suppose you could argue that he had an impact remotely through the force and that is a bigger choice then jumping in your X-Wing, but given that Hyperspace is now teleportation, Luke could've actually shown up!

GAH.



(Also, nice Imperial TIE Fighter that Kylo found in the wreckage of DS2... cool it had a hyperdrive on it... - this doesn't ruin the movie for me, but it's a detail that is annoying. An Imperial Shuttle or something would've been cooler)

it is kinda funny how overused hyperdrive was in this movie considering the main conflict in TLJ was their inability to just do it whenever they like
 
Oct 25, 2017
17,537
A better version of the Ochi story would have been if he wasn't a Sith acolyte but a New Republic agent trying to take out Palpatine's lineage. That would cause Rey to have tension with Leia and the Resistance, and then Palpatine uses this to try to connect with Rey by telling her how he's the only family she has left and he cares for her and he's just a misunderstood grandpa.
100%
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,647
Also Luke's X-Wing was OPERATIONAL?!?!?!

I mean we have established in ESB you can submerge an X-Wing and it's fine. Even though Luke had used part of the wing of it for the door of his hut.

But it completely undermines what he did in TLJ - he could've left the planet and helped in person! I suppose you could argue that he had an impact remotely through the force and that is a bigger choice then jumping in your X-Wing, but given that Hyperspace is now teleportation, Luke could've actually shown up!

GAH.



(Also, nice Imperial TIE Fighter that Kylo found in the wreckage of DS2... cool it had a hyperdrive on it... - this doesn't ruin the movie for me, but it's a detail that is annoying. An Imperial Shuttle or something would've been cooler)

Parts of Luke's Xwing were literally scavenged off as spare parts for Luke's hut. It wasn't super obvious but his door was literally made of parts of the xwing. It was scrapped and ditched.

But I guess since that wasnt very obvious in TLJ, JJ decided he could get away with pretending that didn't happen and that the xwing was just totally intact.
 

Kindekuma

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Oct 25, 2017
4,730
This is the same movie that has our heroes find a ship in the middle of the desert that's been there for who knows how long, but is somehow not at all looted by scavengers and in perfect working condition.

meanwhile the mandalorian leaves his ship for like 3 minutes and it's completely looted and disassembled by Jawas.
 
Feb 4, 2018
1,683
It kills me how well the scene where Kylo turns works. Han appearing, directly returning to the TFA choice, chucking the saber, all of it. Everything leading up to that scene is awful and rushed and I equally dislike the way it all wraps up afterwards, but it felt like they did find the "right" moment to pivot on. It's a shame the rest doesn't come close to earning it.

Leia calling out to Ben has been the best moment for me across both viewings.
 

residentgrigo

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Oct 30, 2019
3,726
Germany
Kylo is indeed beyond redemption due to killing maybe trillions for years on end. That´s what happened to his original version Darth Caedus.
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I did not like those books but they understood how to end things in a thematically appropriate and coherent manner, I'll give them that. They (3 trilogies) were also written by 3 different people but they told one story.
Jacen died at age 32 with a kid and a sister (she killed him). Luke also had 1 son. Ben did at age 30 and ended the Skywalker bloodline. Gr8t. No more Star War!
 

Spacejaws

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So much loss, regret and love. Even with their father son relationship barely being established in TFA, Driver and Ford absolutely sold the scene incredibly well. I teared up and that NEVER happens to me. I'm not a cryer lol
Personally, out of all the returnee's. Ford and Hamill didna great fucking job. Carrie, as sad as it is, came across really wooden. I think direction might be quite a bit to blame. Billy Dee looks like a sweat bag of ham reading one liners off fortune cookies they really fucked up bringing him back and giving him jack shit to work with.
 

Prompto

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Oct 25, 2017
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It kills me how well the scene where Kylo turns works. Han appearing, directly returning to the TFA choice, chucking the saber, all of it. Everything leading up to that scene is awful and rushed and I equally dislike the way it all wraps up afterwards, but it felt like they did find the "right" moment to pivot on. It's a shame the rest doesn't come close to earning it.
Yeah. It was dumb as hell to redeem Kylo but that scene was good. Not sure why people think Anakin appearing would have been better. Imagine Hayden Christensen trying to act with Adam Driver
 

Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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Kylo is indeed beyond redemption due to killing maybe trillions for years on end. That´s what happened to his original version Darth Caedus.
220px-DarthCaedus.jpg

I did not like those books but they understood how to end things in a thematically appropriate and coherent manner, I'll give them that. They (3 trilogies) were also written by 3 different people but they one story.
Jacen died at age 32 with a kid and a sister (she killed him). Ben did at age 30 and ended the Skywalker bloodline. Gr8t. No more Star War.

The Rise of Skywalker (even though all of them died).
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,647
So much loss, regret and love. Even with their father son relationship barely being established in TFA, Driver and Ford absolutely sold the scene incredibly well. I teared up and that NEVER happens to me. I'm not a cryer lol
It was pretty much the only scene of the movie that actually elicited emotions from me. When he called Han Dad, they got me.
 

Papercuts

Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
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Why did they even crash like that. The gear was busted, not the ability to slow down

Look, not like there's a good pilot on board or anything!...

They just needed an excuse to separate Rey from everyone, who then after having the macguffin destroyed, just carjacks Kylo and leaves him stranded there, but he had the second macguffin so it's fine.

But then he, somehow, gets there at the end without it. I guess he used it once and knows exactly how to do it again, lol.
 

16bitnova

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Oct 28, 2017
1,700
Just got out. I really enjoyed this! My main issue is that it should have been longer. And also where the hell my my dual of fates??! I feel the saber duel between Kylo and Rey on the Endor system needed some music. Dual of fates would have been awesome there.

And.... I was one who enjoyed The Last Jedi. But now... Man it feels like such a wasted episode. This movie makes episode 8 pretty much unnecessary viewing. Like episode 9 is the real sequel to episode 7. Now I'm just kind of frustrated that episode 8 is essentially a waste. JJ should have just directed and gone through with the whole trilogy and the story would have gone much better I think. I get what Rian Johnson was doing. And honestly if he was given his whole trilogy I expect nothing but great things. But I feel like here this trilogy was not all his own and he should have tried to respect JJs path a little more. At least for the sake of a cohesive story.

Its like Johnson said screw your story I'm telling mine. And I get that but man save it for your own trilogy. This is your one part in a three part story. Try and follow the mold a bit.

I don't know. Just wish we could have seen where and how the story went had JJ also done 8. Where Luke would be. Maybe even some of the twists and revelations from episode 9 would have been in 8 and then we would have had more time for other story beats, character development, and twists in 9.

I mean this was the Skywalker saga. JJs vision makes much more sense to me. It's about family. And it keeps all the trilogys connected. Where the heck was the story gonna go with Johnson's vision of Rey is no one and Snoke and Luke are dead? Rey is no one kind of takes away from the tying all the trilogys together. I get it Ben is a Skywalker but still. It ties everything much nicer with this duality, family, yin and yang confilct between Palpatine and Skywalker generations.

Again overall the film I thought was awesome and lots of fun. Just wish I could have seen what could have been.
 

Bor Gullet

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,399
Personally, out of all the returnee's. Ford and Hamill didna great fucking job. Carrie, as sad as it is, came across really wooden. I think direction might be quite a bit to blame. Billy Dee looks like a sweat bag of ham reading one liners off fortune cookies they really fucked up bringing him back and giving him jack shit to work with.

Yeah actually what the hell was up with that.

Billy Dee should have had way more screentime, like Han in TFA.
 

GrandHarrier

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Oct 25, 2017
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The ending got a giant LOL from me.

So, to beat the Empire literally all anyone had to do was FIGHT BACK. "Hey guys what if we didn't just roll the fuck over for no reason?" Imagine if the New Republic had had an army at all. They'd have rolled the Orders.

Also, did they really just casually say "The Holdo maneuver won't work because reasons." because they knew they'd written themselves into a corner? Literally I was thinking to myself, "Well, just do that again. It worked perfectly before."
 
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