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A slight correction. George Lucas liked the bestselling Dark Empire, the comic about Palp´s 2.0 and his clones. He wanted Luke to go bad which he did for a hot second and... The similarities to ep. 9 are numerous and there is all sort of Chosen One stuff within. It were simply other SW authors who weren´t fond of it.
I remember that George´s plan for Ep. 7 had Endor/the 2nd Death Star and he wanted to bring back The Emperor or an at east an evil Vader force ghost in some form. JJ had no workable script and was brought in last minute for 9 so those files and wikia articles on SW Legends had to suffice. Top kek.
Here are the things we for sure about the original ep.7 and the Lucas material Disney has in their files:
I remember that George´s plan for Ep. 7 had Endor/the 2nd Death Star and he wanted to bring back The Emperor or an at east an evil Vader force ghost in some form. JJ had no workable script and was brought in last minute for 9 so those files and wikia articles on SW Legends had to suffice. Top kek.
Here are the things we for sure about the original ep.7 and the Lucas material Disney has in their files:
Did he buy it or otherwise have it made?
I got the impression that he and his minions conjured that fleet.
The way the final celebration scene was shot, strongly makes me feel there exists multiple cuts of those scenes and focus testing ending it the way they did.
Everyone hugging and kissing and then the camera following Finn around searching with a smile on his face, Rey appearing in the crowd, seeing him, lighting up... he runs to her and suddenly Poe shows up out of no where for a triple hug.
You know they shot Finn and her hugging and probably a kiss, where he tells her he's in love with her, which is what he was going to say earlier. Money on that existing. Probably tested poorly since she just kissed Ben the scene before, so they netted out with the triple friend "feel good" hug.
And they have the "I can use the force" they showed several times in the movie as the "fall back" to what Finn was going to tell her. Which is fine....
But always awkward and a bit of a bummer how they dance around connecting these two or not. Even TLJ played with it, with Rey's "message" for Finn that she can't find the words to say that Chewie gives her so the audience is still unclear.
Everyone hugging and kissing and then the camera following Finn around searching with a smile on his face, Rey appearing in the crowd, seeing him, lighting up... he runs to her and suddenly Poe shows up out of no where for a triple hug.
You know they shot Finn and her hugging and probably a kiss, where he tells her he's in love with her, which is what he was going to say earlier. Money on that existing. Probably tested poorly since she just kissed Ben the scene before, so they netted out with the triple friend "feel good" hug.
And they have the "I can use the force" they showed several times in the movie as the "fall back" to what Finn was going to tell her. Which is fine....
But always awkward and a bit of a bummer how they dance around connecting these two or not. Even TLJ played with it, with Rey's "message" for Finn that she can't find the words to say that Chewie gives her so the audience is still unclear.
TLJ already had that message and then JJ was like "nah Rey is only so powerful because she's a Palpatine"
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So weird how people think a kiss means you're in love with the person? What kind of Grade 2 concept of romantic love is happening in this thread lmao
One scene in particular that baffles me and just proves how terrible the pacing and script was done is when Rey gives the lightsaber back to Leia only to get it 5 seconds later with a "I've learned what I had to learn" theme around it. So lazy, everything in the first 45 minutes was so terribly lazy and rushed. Terrible movie overall imo.
I don't think Rian meant for Kylo to be redeemed but he definitely wrote J.J. an out in case he wanted to with:
Rian said something along the lines of if Vader could be redeemed, who did way worse things, than Kylo could easily be redeemed.
This gif sums up my progressive reactions very accurately
I'm really conflicted. I thought it was fine but there's a lot going on and lot of it aint good.
The fact that I think Revenge was better paced and coherent makes really wonder if I actually like this.
Also can't get over how Palpatine lightning storm was just a super magnet to the ships it touched whereas Rey's lightning fucking blew up a ship just an hour ago.
The only thing he actually destroyed with his lightning was himself.
The only thing he actually destroyed with his lightning was himself.
One of my only complaints is that all the new characters/designs etc weren't very well utilised really. I mean the Jet troopers were shown for about 2 minutes, as were the red sith troopers.
The Knights of the Ren were quite pointless and D-O didn't have as big an impact as BB-8.
That, and there weren't many of those typical "badass" Star Wars scenes or moments sadly.
The Knights of the Ren were quite pointless and D-O didn't have as big an impact as BB-8.
That, and there weren't many of those typical "badass" Star Wars scenes or moments sadly.
Can't have consequences in your final movie of the trilogy apparently
My point was that Palpatine could destroy an entire fleet by himself so either Luke is a slacker or JJ is a hack.
The movie breaks all of TFA though. Why have Starkiller when you have a fleet of mobile ships with the same power?
I also liked how this movie didn't have the balls to stick to any of the "consequences" of its own plot on 3 (!) different occasions, Chewie, C3PO's memory, and the power ranger chick on Kimji all get undone like 10 minutes after they get introduced lmaooooo.
If Fisher hadn't passed or they had more footage of her I don't know if she would have been out either necessarily geezzzz.
If Fisher hadn't passed or they had more footage of her I don't know if she would have been out either necessarily geezzzz.
This. Kiss = True love in SW. Always has, always will. Ok, not for Luke x Leia but you saw how that kiss went over.
Seriously. Throwing out actual good morals and theming for the sake of stupid masturbatory plot twists is the worst thing this movie did.
Also love how the star destroyers above other planets were just magically destroyed at the end lol
Really? I thought they are all just past Sith who died and live inside Palpatine or something.
To be honest, Kylo was threatening in his final scene in TLJ than ever Palpatine in ROS, because you knew shit would go down and Luke had to die to stop him. Kylo worked when we he exploited Rey's vulnerability about her parents and took over the first order, and all that power led by one angry young had loads of potential for destruction. He didn't need to over match the heroes to be threat, his rage was dangerous. Maybe books show what kind of leader Kylo is. I really though there would be a good few scenes showing Hux and Kylo making their own territories of the first order.
Wonder if he was on the Ghost during the battle.
But showing any other Jedi would undercut a lot of the "last Jedi/last Hope" narrative, and "all Jedi are in me now" stuff so they probably just avoided showing anyone
Well, if Vader can be redeemed, anyone can but The Last Jedi ended with Kylo throwing aside Rey's offer and finally accepting his role as the great big bad.
But as it is, I'm not upset with what they did with Ben here.
Also Palpatine doesn't kill anyone with his lightning storm except for a few extras lol
The scale of everything there was so insane it had to basically all just vanish along with Palpatine.
The whole film is the conclusion of "interference from execs". Just look at the parade of fired directors so far:
This might explain a lot more than we realize. It's possible that risk and death was neutered to keep selling toys. It really can be that simple.
Well strictly speaking, Palps couldn't destroy the fleet until he was able to siphon all that power off of Kylo and Rey and fully come back to life or w/e.
As for Starkiller base...yea. Once you introduce Palps as the man pulling the strings behind the former Supreme Leader and the First Order rather than Snoke being an independent Sith doing his own thing, the question must be asked. Why wouldn't Palps give him a few of those fancy Star Destroyers? I couldn't say. You can't even use the "different director" excuse, you know? It's just weird. Maybe...yea idunno.
I was about to throw out a convoluted idea about Palps using the FO as a front while his true plans were set in motion on the Sith homeworld. I guess it kinda has to be that.
Seriously, that was the most confounding thing to me, and such a confusing thing to throw in at the end.
The scene of Leia besting Luke in a duel was great... wish we got to linger on it longer.
I felt that way about most of the movir
I felt that way about most of the movir
TFA had a planet sized Death Star, was never gonna happen with JJ
they needed to rip off independence day saying that infecting the mothership would fuck the rest of the fleet
He wasn't at all. Luke made an absolute fool of Kylo.
Kylo Ren isn't supposed to be this super badass threat. He's not Vader, he's not Palpatine, he's not even Tarkin. He's just a young guy in way over his head.
Gotta make sure everything is perfectly tied up even when it makes no fucking sense
No kidding. And considering the amount of trinkets and half thought out mcguffins employed in this movie they could have just say he found an ancient sith medallion that gave him unlimited power or literally any other excuse you could think up off the top of your head to satisfy simple minded people who think every conflict in this franchise should just be 'who can fight better with the laser swords' lol
I was under the impression that they were attacked by the rising rebellion (similar to the size/one that saved Poe at the end)... to wrap up the loose end (poorly) of the First Order that was not with Palpatine's fleet but still floating around.
the villain doesn't need to be this super badass threat either.
Yeah, what the hell was that. Nobody cares about your Lost buddies JJ.
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