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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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I dunno, but it's true that Palpy was stupidly OP in here... also stupidly stupid too, considering how he died.
Why would Palpatine want children who would threaten his rule
The ship didn't get repaired. It's exactly in the same spot it was a year before in TLJ.
We see Obi-Wan using it on Luke in ANH (albeit a minor version of it) too but most people have probably forgotten about that.
I'm hoping on my second viewing I can pick up on some things without being so distracted by my WTFs throughout the movie the first time around.
I will probably appreciate the visuals a lot more since I already loved them the first time.
I will probably appreciate the visuals a lot more since I already loved them the first time.
Haha Mando did a lot of heavy lifting for this movie in that regard.
You're acting like JJ had no choice here. A conflicted character who's in way over his head sounds like an interesting direction for a villain! But JJ can't see past copying the Vader/Palpatine dynamic of ROTJ so he skips that whole idea entirely.
I'm not saying the only good way this story could end is with Rey vs. an irredeemable Supreme Leader Kylo Ren. All I'm saying it is was an interesting setup and a relatively bold deviation from OT's dynamic, and that JJ chose to respond to it by sidestepping it altogether in favor of replicating the same plot beats from ROTJ was super lazy. I am sure there has to be more than just this one way to end the movie with a Ben redemption.
My guess is, that people are really gonna like this movie, and we are gonna see more SW-movies like this in the future?
dude, the ship had missing parts on TLJ , and here is suddenly whole lol
I just can't help myself lol I need to ignore this thread again...I think the theme of the ST is you can't please everyone so might as well just make TLJ because you can't win by pandering to fans and you can't win by doing something new.
Also don't wait till Danielle Radcliffe and Emma Watson are retirement age to do a Harry Potter ST like they did here where everyone is too old to do stunts.
Condom broke? Wouldn't be the first shadowy boss with an unwanted daughter
I guess if you love it, " somehow" seems to be an apt description when someone asks you why.
He could have just. Pushed her off. Instead he kept using lightning until he fried his own face. WAIT A MINUTE
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
Was it? Hmmm...I guess we'll have to accept that some repairs were made when we weren't looking >_>
He could have just. Pushed her off. Instead he kept using lightning until he fried his own face. WAIT A MINUTE
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
It's amazing that people would put this movie above TLJ.
Like, I know, opinions, but that movie had way more to say and was executed way better. I literally got nothing out of this movie. It was such a mess.
Like, I know, opinions, but that movie had way more to say and was executed way better. I literally got nothing out of this movie. It was such a mess.
it is really weird to just say "it wouldnt work"
a lot of things do not work on TROS and they still did them.
What I liked:
-Finn/Rose romance subplot almost nowhere to be seen
-Finn actually playing an important role
-Cool force shit happened, Palpatine lightning show was nice
What I didn't like:
-The movie itself
-Ren/Rey kissing at the end and then Ren immediately dropping dead, like this dude killed SO MANY people you knew and worked with or support and you kiss him!?
-At that stuff with the dagger felt so fucking dumb and pointless because it ended up being "Oh let's just take the one Ren has."
-LOOK WE'VE SECRETLY BUILT THOUSANDS OF STAR DESTROYERS, ON THIS SECRET PLANET THAT'S HARD TO GET TO, WITH FULL CREWS THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT
-ALSO THESE SHIPS CAN ONLY GET OFF THE PLANET IN THIS HYPER SPECIFIC WAY
-Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter is just fucking wat, man if there were hints at this shit they fucking flew over my head
-All those ship just deciding to show up for this battle when they just skipped the last one and have even LESS reason to be there now
-Finn/Rose romance subplot almost nowhere to be seen
-Finn actually playing an important role
-Cool force shit happened, Palpatine lightning show was nice
What I didn't like:
-The movie itself
-Ren/Rey kissing at the end and then Ren immediately dropping dead, like this dude killed SO MANY people you knew and worked with or support and you kiss him!?
-At that stuff with the dagger felt so fucking dumb and pointless because it ended up being "Oh let's just take the one Ren has."
-LOOK WE'VE SECRETLY BUILT THOUSANDS OF STAR DESTROYERS, ON THIS SECRET PLANET THAT'S HARD TO GET TO, WITH FULL CREWS THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT
-ALSO THESE SHIPS CAN ONLY GET OFF THE PLANET IN THIS HYPER SPECIFIC WAY
-Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter is just fucking wat, man if there were hints at this shit they fucking flew over my head
-All those ship just deciding to show up for this battle when they just skipped the last one and have even LESS reason to be there now
Because the first order would have killed him and the resistance wouldn't have had time to escape. remember the scene where they shot him with 10,000 lasers and he still lived? Yah.
The whole point was misdirection to buy them enough time to escape.
Omg you wanted more visual queues. What do you want it like that episode of samurai Jack where you see the Jedi building a light saber in heaven and then it beams down and the light saver cast a white glow as it cuts through the emperor and he says unbelievableeeeeeee
The Luke-Rey stuff more than made up for TLJ stuff. I just wish they had more time together I'm the prior movies. Fuuuuuuck I love this movie.
I think part of the X-Wing was being used as the door to Luke's hut.
I hated both, but at least with TLJ if you peek under the hood you can see some quality film making taking place.
If you peek under the hood of this movie, there's just nothing there.
I'm really conflicted. I thought it was fine but there's a lot going on and lot of it aint good.
The fact that I think Revenge was better paced and coherent makes really wonder if I actually like this.
I agree.
But I don't blame JJ for going the easy route and bringing back Palpatine. I like TLJ, warts and all, but it left nowhere for the third film to go.
And I don't think the idea of making Palpatine the overarching villain of the saga is a bad idea, but the way he's introduced is so rushed. The scene with him and Kylo should have been much longer (according to the leaks, it was but was cut down in editing).
Nah, force ghosts can interact with physical objects so Luke just fixed it up waiting for Rey to get back.
Moreso that Kylo is a character who children have on their lunch boxes, dress up as for Halloween, have multiple action figures of.
Star Wars is a family friendly series and I don't know how anyone believed that the final Skywalker would end up being evil and destroying the family name. What an awful conclusion to the Skywalker saga. He got redeemed in the best way possible. He finally decided to be good and realized he needs to own up for his sins and sacrificed himself so Rey can live on.
Really the fact that a palpatine is restoring the Jedi order is the biggest slap in palpatine's face. Think how pissed he would be knowing that his lineage is the foundation for everything he stood against
I found Kylo Ren to be really an interesting character. I also never found him to be really a Sith, but something inbetween, confused, but maybe on a path to something different then a Sith or Jedi. But i thought that about Rey also for a long time, but she is a Skywalker now...
Before he was the emperor, he was a successful high ranking Senator from Naboo. It's not far fetched at all to believe in that facade of a life, he had a child. Maybe even a wife at one point. He's a master manipulator, he hide his identity for decades, not a stretch to imagine a cover that involved a kid.
It all just happened so fast.
Pacing and lack of emotional weight is my issue, not so much the plot it self.
That said, he had his son murdered then?
They sped over that part too. And was his sun Tom hardy? Looked like him.
Re: Rey claiming a Skywalker, it worked for me because it was her choice. No one gave her that, no one forced on her what they thought and who they thought she was. Letting her make that choice for herself was powerful and I'm totally cool with her, she's allowed to identity however she wants after all she's been through.
It all just happened so fast.
Pacing and lack of emotional weight is my issue, not so much the plot it self.
That said, he had his son murdered then?
They sped over that part too. And was his sun Tom hardy? Looked like him.
Re: Rey claiming a Skywalker, it worked for me because it was her choice. No one gave her that, no one forced on her what they thought and who they thought she was. Letting her make that choice for herself was powerful and I'm totally cool with her, she's allowed to identity however she wants after all she's been through.
Right? It really was like watching the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman. Things just.. happen for no reason.
I don't know if Star Wars Destiny is canon or not but this card seems to suggest it was that:
He returned as a ghost and immediately proceeded to some underwater welding.
He wouldn't be the final Skywalker though. Rey could still take the name, which sends a positive message that you aren't defined by your birth family.
That or his noob ass could never learn how to create a force spirit
That's easily solved if you're an evil Sith Lord. Like Kronos eating his children in Greek Myth.
The Final Order star destroyers at the end not being able to tell which way was up without the beacon signal, despite the fact that they are already correctly oriented and there are people on them with eyes who could just look outside, is some of the most nakedly contrived bullshit ever. And they can't turn on their shields until they are in space for some reason too. WTF.
Deleted Scenes are canon until something else contradicts it.
I can understand people not liking TLJ.
I can understand people enjoying TROS.
But anyone who enjoys TROS and doesn't like TLJ at the same time has, in my opinion, mind-bogglingly bad taste.
So long as you're ready and able to take on a 1%er, prestigious, royal family name and crest, you too can be somebody. :)
Which is exactly what happened. Even taking the name I can't imagine the mass majority of people would find solace in the fact that the final true Skywalker became a psychopath and had to be put down like a dog. Star Wars is all about redemption. Literally anyone can be redeemed no matter what.
I mean, if we got more from Palpatine, then yeah, sure, but we got like few seconds of him, so it doesnt really matter what he wanted, cause we didnt have enough time to get invested into his story (in the new movies).
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