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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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It felt very....hollow? There was a lack of scale. Maybe we are just spoiled by a Death Star trench run or 2 but for being a massive, galaxy saving space battle it felt like they barely even entered the fleet. It's like the whole battle took place within a 5 mile radius. Could have been better sense of scale.
Still it was fun, but that's kinda what this movie was, just fun.
This is the one thing I just cannot get over. We got a film that explored the value of learning from failure, learning from the past but not being beholden to it, the moral ambiguities of war, pacifist resistance, depression, and the nature of leadership.
Then we followed it up with a film that was about nothing. Just, nothing.
There already has to be a Petition that will dominate next week´s entertainment news, right? The next few months will be hell for the fandom. Joy, joy, joy.
I've come to the conclusion that the very best thing in the film is Adam Driver's performance, and how once Kylo makes his decision in the final act of the movie his performance becomes completely different. He even moves like a different person in those later scenes. That's great.
I married above my station.
It does make me wonder just how much better the PT would've been - even with its faults - if the actors had been better written and directed. I get hints of that in the Clone Wars show, which makes the wooden acting in the movies even more jarring.
But for the ST, it's a testament to most of the actors that - as bad and weird and stupid as things get - they are ALL IN on it. If the acting was as subpar as the PT, none of this would've worked because the story structure is built off sticks and scotch tape that's barely held together.
I don't know how I feel about it yet. Parts I liked, parts I didn't, but fuck is this movie is like a 4 minute mile, they just sprint from scene to scene, location to location.
they really would've benefited from splitting it into two films like avengers. Going to see it again today, see how I feel without all the hype in my veins.
they really would've benefited from splitting it into two films like avengers. Going to see it again today, see how I feel without all the hype in my veins.
Star Wars director visions
George Lucas: The Vietnam War was bad
George Lucas again: War is a political tool that leads to the rise of fascism
Rian Johnson: Your Heroes are flawed, it's important to learn from the past
JJ Abrams: dude I love Star Wars
they won't come for the rebellion, but they'll turn up for lando
the best
That makes sense for Some reason I'm always thinking luke has been missing for like 20 years but that wouldnt make sense. Lando staying in the planet is hella weird but that's easy to justify.
they were traking the guy after Ben was born cause he clearly died when Rey was a child.
Yeah, he was great. There is some gold in there surrounded by so much unnecessary bullshit.
I think bringing in Palpatine was probably the biggest mistake the movie made and all other mistakes come from that.
I'm not so sure Palpatine was being literal. Luke said a thousand years of Jedi lived on in Rey and I think Palpatine was meant to be her thematic opposite. He was after all the end result of the Rule of Two and a thousand years of Sith machinations and planning.
I guarantee the top execs at Disney are not happy with how this trilogy was handled. Iger has shed some thoughts on the topic, but he's not going to throw his team under the bus.
I'd agree with this as well! My favorite scene from the movie. Would've been cool to see their force ghosts in the background
Maybe he didn't want to be part of the hivemind.
He is the best part of this trilogy and I think probably the best performance of the whole series.
A co-worker just described the movie as Return of the King if New Line told Jackson to cut an hour off at the last minute, which actually makes sense IMO.
You know, I think you might have nailed why TFA worked as well as it did and why TRoS didn't.
With the blunders that the prequel trilogy made, a "Dude I love star wars" guy is exactly what you needed. The audience needed to be reminded of what makes star wars great, which makes it perhaps a bit shallow, but it was the movie for the time and place.
Then, with "I love star wars" established, Rian Johnson's "Your heroes are flawed" theme is the perfect critical follow up, putting the love of star wars under scrutiny.
But you can't follow it up with "I love star wars" again, atleast not without implementing what you learned from the "Your heroes are flawed" guy.
I thought Calrissian was going to be a force angel or something, he just doesn't feel like he's there because he's so convenient. Maybe someone can explain it better than me lol.
chewie's reaction to leia's death
Yeah that was good, made up for Chewie's non-interaction with Leia after Han's death in TFA
Yea Jannah as a whole and her group were pointless addition to the movie as they didn't do anything. They didn't help Rey get to the Death Star Wayfinder location, Rey did it on her own. The calvary charge on the Star Destroyer looked dumb, but also had no purpose as majority of the resistance troops were on food we see, and also all the space horsies disappear right after the charge, what was the point of any of this? Jannah doesn't contribute anything other than cool, she shoots stormtroopers with a bow?
Agreed. I'm very forgiving of TFA despite some big issues with a few choices. Being a major retread was forgivable given the state of the franchise and fanbase after the PT. People needed to know Star Wars could be Star Wars again. It perfectly achieved that goal, if even too much. And TLJ was a good way to follow-up on that and not just wallow in nostalgia bate. Retreating back to nostalgia and spectacle to finish things out though wasn't a good idea.
The Sith spectators at the end should have been feeding Palpatine energy for the lightning then the force ghosts show up and block it to allow Rey and Ben to fight Palpatine.
Chewie's had a hard life in these sequels. He had to watch all his friends die, one by one.chewie's reaction to leia's death
Maybe it's a good thing he was captured, he wouldn't have had to deal with C-3PO not knowing who he is after getting his memroy wiped. (I maybe am remembering it wrong)
he was my favourite in this new trilogy. He is a great actor in general. Sad his character died.
Off topic, but I always thought it was kind of interesting that Microsoft was the only one of the three platformer holders to have their game characters show up in Ready Player One, with cameos from Halo and Battletoads. IIRC there's no Sony or Nintendo characters to be found anywhere (though Mario Kart gets a shout-out at some point, apparantly).
Wonder if they made a special deal with Spielberg or something.
Poor man's Valkyrie and to make people forget about Rose.
This is actually kind of accurate. We hear all the time about those AI bots creating paintings and songs and people not being able to tell the difference between something created by a person or a bot.
This film is basically a neural learning algorithm watching all previous Star Wars films and then making this. No story, nothing makes sense, terrible pacing, editing, structure...basically nothing but a stitched together string of motifs and rehashes from previous films.
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