I think TLJ and this one imply there is some sort special once in a gen bond between them. So I don't think they were doing it necessarily of their own accord
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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker |OT| Revenge of a Sith (SPOILERS NOW OPEN)
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I don't think you're prepared in this case. It's really not a sequel to either. It truly feels nothing like TFA. It feels like a movie from a completely different franchise altogether. Just prepare yourself mentally for how utterly bizarre it is.
Movie was really meh. I still got emotional when chewies finds out leia is dead. That punched me in the gut so hard. lso the three hugging at the end was great. I also loved that Poe and Finn are Generals together.
Finn got shafted though in this trilogy, basically just reiterates what he's learned about being your own person/fighting for the greater good and shoots gun.
Babu Frick was amazing, the whole Kamina scenes were awesome.
The palpatine confrontation was dumb. If he could just revive himself by draing life essence of kylo and rey, why wasn't that the plan?
Finn got shafted though in this trilogy, basically just reiterates what he's learned about being your own person/fighting for the greater good and shoots gun.
Babu Frick was amazing, the whole Kamina scenes were awesome.
The palpatine confrontation was dumb. If he could just revive himself by draing life essence of kylo and rey, why wasn't that the plan?
Didn't Ian himself said the Emperor being here was a new thing JJ came up for TROS? Can't put hints about something that was never in the plans.
JJ probably wanted Snoke be the final boss, while Rian wanted Kylo.
Nope. You won't be satisfied if you loved Jedi and hated force awakens, or vice verse. It's a mess.
Trying to stay positive, there's one thing that comes to mind: the parallels of Kylo/Ben and Han Solo. When Kylo raises his finger to shut up the officers like Han did in Hoth. When he shots the Knight of Ren like Han did in TFA. Those bits are actually good
No, people are oversimplifying like usual. Ben's connection with Rey and then redemption makes no sense without TLJ. It was one of the few things in this movie that felt really earned because of TLJ. It's a sequel to both movies and probably part of the reason it feels overstuffed.
After the 45 minutes to an hour (which is a basically an entire film that needed to be fleshed out), it's a lot like TFA
You could tell he wanted Smoke as the final big bad originally. And oh I've seen the movie, I loved it fyi folks.
No, i read somewhere JJ always wanted The Emperor in EP IX 🤔
I think it was here either way even JJ had to know Snoke was a big joke
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Nothing about the final act makes any sense at all. I still don't understand how the Sith Empire was destroyed. Something about a tower signal keeping them aware of where to go? Like what? We don't even see the Sith fleet get destroyed - you have thousands of ships and suddenly the Resistance starts celebrating that they won.
Palpatine's plans made no sense. He wanted different things and his motivations were all over the place. The final "battle" with him and Rey is just so hokey and empty. Nothing happens. She reflects lightning back at him and he explodes (lol). Not real battle, no cool Sith stuff, just stupidity across the board. It's highly anti-climactic and just empty.
Palpatine's plans made no sense. He wanted different things and his motivations were all over the place. The final "battle" with him and Rey is just so hokey and empty. Nothing happens. She reflects lightning back at him and he explodes (lol). Not real battle, no cool Sith stuff, just stupidity across the board. It's highly anti-climactic and just empty.
This was a godawful film. The word I would use to describe is inept. That first half is probably the worst half of any Star Wars film to date. The second half is definitely better but man this is a bad film.
i'm surprised as JJ always seemed at least competent and TFA is a vastly better film than this even with the rehashing TFA does.
i'm surprised as JJ always seemed at least competent and TFA is a vastly better film than this even with the rehashing TFA does.
Going in a slightly different direction than fans expected is a little different than going completely out of your way to spitefully retcon or invalidate everything the last movie did.
Rey would be such a hot sith. Those silky robes, the gnashing teeth, the red lightsaber, hmmmm. She could have brought order to the galaxy, and balance to the Force. What a waste.
Maybe when Palpatine reconstitutes himself in a few years time he can try and seduce Fin's Force-sensitive son to the dark side and try manipulating Rey all over again.
RIGHT, JJ? WE ON THE SAME PAGE, FAM?
Maybe when Palpatine reconstitutes himself in a few years time he can try and seduce Fin's Force-sensitive son to the dark side and try manipulating Rey all over again.
RIGHT, JJ? WE ON THE SAME PAGE, FAM?
Remember when you all were mad because Palpatine felt beyond needing a lightsaber?
Well he's certainly not beyond TWO lightsabers....
Lmao...fuck this film ):
Well he's certainly not beyond TWO lightsabers....
Lmao...fuck this film ):
I totally agree with you on the introduction of Palpatine.
A lot of people complaining about the whole quest for an item, I actually loved it since it introduced us to many scenes and worlds.
Funniest scene in the whole movie to me was 3POs knowledge on that Burning man style celebration.
Was anyone else expecting Palpatine to start floating around using his lightning and laughing just like in the SNES game? I was really hoping for that lol.
Man, I really didn't feel that way. It... felt more like... Batman vs. Superman?
"Spite" is definitely the word I would use to describe this movie. There's a level of malice to it that's kind of disturbing in some sense.
I think even if you had hired a director who personally disliked TLJ, it still wouldn't be this spiteful and cruel towards that film. It's the fact that they hired Abrams specifically, the guy whose movie he felt was retconned and damaged by TLJ, that TROS ends up going so far up its own ass in an effort to erase the previous film from existence.
I have a feeling this talking point will never die, but I can't help but stress that plotting things out might enhance world consistency to some degree, but that does not make it in itself good writing.
Like the problem of Palpatine returning isn't that it wasn't hinted at in the first two movies. The problem is that he is a retread of "Evil old dude with no character complexity wanting to take over the galaxy using evil magic" and it doesn't offer anything new in regards to that. All it is "Hey, you know how cool it was that he died in RotJ? Well, what if he dies in TRoS WHILE CHANNELING ALL THE SITH WHILE REY CHANNELS ALL THE JEDI!!!"
If we got what we got in TRoS, but we had hints that Palps was working behind the scenes in TFA and TLJ, it'd be just as stupid as it is now. Bad writing is the problem of this movie, not unplanned writing.
Palpy looked quite cyberpunk when he was being lowered to the ground while his skull was connected to that thing with all those cables. Ghost in the Shell vibes.
I liked TFA, loved TLJ, and I am satisfied with the conclusion of the Ben/Rey plot.
Rose said the ships in atmosphere couldn't engage their shields, so the fleet was defenseless until it got to space. They needed to destroy the beacon to stop the fleet from leaving as there was no way to navigate to that location without exact guidance. The point was that they had no shields and the ships weakspots were exposed cause of it, so the resistance just picked apart the fleet who also couldn't engage the enemy cause they were so close together on the planet or they would be shooting themselves.
gives em the rotj han shrug too when he gets luke's saber through the force call with rey
the sith planet had major electromagnetic storms so the ships navigation couldn't detect which way was up to loeave the planet. So they used the sensor towers to guide the ships out to space. They show the fleet being destroyed. Rey walks back to Lukes X-Wing and you see the stardestroyers crashing into the planet all around her.
Nah mate it's neither.
It really is a mess, with nice visuals and couple scenes that are nice.
I'm ok with where we ended up. But I honestly have no idea how we got there. I... wish they got more screentime?
I legitimately couldn't understand what Kylo was doing for most of the movie. Was he even ever truly working for Palpatine?
Which makes no sense and is completely inconsistent with every previous Star Wars film, but since this isn't TLJ it'll get a free pass from most people.
Honestly, I even felt it was a gigantic visual step down from the previous two movies, especially TLJ. The last act looked legitimately gross.
Ben/Rey is the only thing in this film that's done well. We've had three movies of buildup and their force bond was properly established in TLJ. Compare that to the way Palpatine is used. His role belongs in a videogame. He's a cartoon that makes no sense.
I think it works better if you think of it as symbolic power, channeling Luke and Leia, than some weird physical explanation why two lightsabers is better than one.
I must have checked out at this point because I remember literally none of this lol
I agree with this and to be honest: The focus on Ray & Ben hold the movie together for me. Or at least as much as possible, because there is just to much bad story telling and stupid ideas everywhere.
Yes. But I thought it was about on the same level as TFA.
The cinematography in the film is garbage outside the Rey/Ben ship/planet lightsaber duel and the Han/Ben talk.
It's an ugly film.
It was a mostly fun time and not the worst end to the saga, but not the catharsis and real resolution for all characters one might hope for. Not at all what I would have done or wanted to see happen, but it wasn't Prequel terrible. It was a choice.
Only a few parts or things really stood out and made me mad. First Rey's lineage and then that final Rey/Kylo scene.
The lack of any meaningful development or conflict for Poe/Finn felt really bizarre, yet they spent a bunch of time "establishing" their back stories for no real gain. This movie was pure Rey/Kylo development. Everyone else was just kind of doing stuff but already well past the end of their arcs. Dangling again of Finn's connection to the force with no payoff remains shitty, and especially the whole what did he want to say to Rey thing throughout that led to nothing, which again was especially ruined by that Rey/Kylo scene.
Palps wasn't horrible, but he didn't add anything and the whole Rey is a Palpatine was the dumbest shit they could have pulled. Would have meant a lot more had the film just been about a renewed Resistance fighting the FO and defeating Kylo who is beyond redemption. His redemption here didn't feel earned at all. Relying on yet another super weapon with the clock ticking, now in the form of an impossibly huge fleet all with planet killers and you just have to do this one thing to take it all out was stupid too. Do something else for once. Just have a normal fucking fleet battle.
Only a few parts or things really stood out and made me mad. First Rey's lineage and then that final Rey/Kylo scene.
The lack of any meaningful development or conflict for Poe/Finn felt really bizarre, yet they spent a bunch of time "establishing" their back stories for no real gain. This movie was pure Rey/Kylo development. Everyone else was just kind of doing stuff but already well past the end of their arcs. Dangling again of Finn's connection to the force with no payoff remains shitty, and especially the whole what did he want to say to Rey thing throughout that led to nothing, which again was especially ruined by that Rey/Kylo scene.
Palps wasn't horrible, but he didn't add anything and the whole Rey is a Palpatine was the dumbest shit they could have pulled. Would have meant a lot more had the film just been about a renewed Resistance fighting the FO and defeating Kylo who is beyond redemption. His redemption here didn't feel earned at all. Relying on yet another super weapon with the clock ticking, now in the form of an impossibly huge fleet all with planet killers and you just have to do this one thing to take it all out was stupid too. Do something else for once. Just have a normal fucking fleet battle.
Yeah...I don't think I'll ever bother watching the ST again. Bunch of wheels spinning, plot retreads, creatively bankrupt, and just holding each other back. A set of three films that add up to saying nothing. I guess at least TLJ tried and failed at making something but in the end for naught thanks to this film. They need to go somewhere else in time and get better writers.
I'll try. The tower lets the sith ships navigate off the planet. I think someone (Poe?) said they were too close to each to shoot because of friendly fire. So they were stuck? In that ludicrous car park formation. PROTIP: making your CGI stuff perfectly symmetrically arranged means it all looks copy and pasted and less convincing. So yeah, they parked too close to get their guns out.
Sheeves greatest enemy is his inability to control his lighting bolts. They are always his undoing. The fight wasn't great. At least in Revenge we had him go buck wild. Especially that backward roll over the chair when yoda shoved him. The clone wars comic had him do some cool stuff too. He just wasn't threatening enough here. The crane was cool, his cheer squad was cool. Bummer he didn't just say, fuck yall I cloned Maul again! Bam duel of the fates kicks in. LOL My fan fiction is getting outta control.
I don't feel like TFA building to the moment where Rey gives Luke his lightsaber only for him to casually throw it away in a comedy spot at the beginning of the next film is a slightly different direction
That's convenient - a load-bearing final boss for an entire space fleet.
I will not object, because that's true enough of a statement to make.
I would just like to underline that this is even more so the case in TROS.
I loved both TFA and TLJ and this movie was trash and insulting to both movies that came before it in the trilogy.
I feel like they need to take whatever they were going to pay Rian Johnson for his trilogy and double it. Drive a dumptruck full of cash to his front door. Star Wars needs him waaaay more than he needs Star Wars at this point :P
I gotta say JJ is incredible at the pulpy, fantasy adventure stuff, which is exactly what I go see Star Wars movies for. Every second of screen time with Finn and/or Poe had me grinning ear to ear.
A really great Star Wars trilogy might have been Rian Johnson writing the Rey/Force parts, and JJ handling the Finn/Poe/Resistance stuff.
A really great Star Wars trilogy might have been Rian Johnson writing the Rey/Force parts, and JJ handling the Finn/Poe/Resistance stuff.
That scene meant nothing. Was he supposed to start crying? Hug her? Turn it on and stab her with it? Luke does not view that lightsaber with nearly as much importance as the fans do. He's gone through like four of them already.
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