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Star Wars: The Mandalorian Trailer (Disney+)

Starphanluke

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Mockerre said:
Yeah, the carbonite freeze. It was shown in ESB as an ad hoc, unproven dangerous method of imprisonment. The bounty hunter that was introduced to this was Boba Fett. Now a new bounty hunter on the same planet with the same armor transports prisoners the same exact way. So...

...it's either a retcon or it's Boba Fett. Can be both. I can totally see Favreau hand waiving it "ah, they did it to Han, word spread, now they're doing it this way', which is fine, but why make a visually identical character do the same thing (other than nostalgia money ;)).
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Except that it seems like a very logical explanation, even if he is a brand new character. Han was on display in Jabba's palace for months. Word definitely spread, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's now a common technique used by Bounty Hunters to easily transport live bounties.

...which wouldn't be a retcon in the slightest. It's be a progression of the mythology.
 
kiguel182

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But is that Bobba Fett or not?

Star Wars at this point just repeating the same iconography over and over again
 
Sulik2

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OMG. It's real star Wars again. A lived in universe. Crime, bar fights. This looks amazing.
 
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Starphanluke said:
Except that it seems like a very logical explanation, even if he is a brand new character. Han was on display in Jabba's palace for months. Word definitely spread, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's now a common technique used by Bounty Hunters to easily transport live bounties.

...which wouldn't be a retcon in the slightest. It's be a progression of the mythology.
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It's reaching, but plausible (though I thought you needed a Tibanna Mining Facility for that). Just... why? It's plausible Anakin Skywalker put together Threepio who got his memory erased and ended up on Tantive IV... but why?

A character does the exact same thing that an identical character did in a movie you remember. Again, 'word spread around' works for in-universe logic if you squint, I just find the coincidence in the previous sentence lazy.
 
Starphanluke

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Mockerre said:
It's reaching, but plausible (though I thought you needed a Tibanna Mining Facility for that). Just... why? It's plausible Anakin Skywalker put together Threepio who got his memory erased and ended up on Tantive IV... but why?

A character does the exact same thing that an identical character did in a movie you remember. Again, 'word spread around' works for in-universe logic if you squint, I just find the coincidence in the previous sentence lazy.
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I actually agree with you on the Threepio point, but I legitimately don't understand what is so "reaching" about this.

Han was on display in one of the biggest criminal underworld havens in the galaxy. Many criminals saw and took notice, and many more spread the word around. This leads some Bounty Hunters install carbonite chambers on their ships or some shit like that.

I genuinely fail to see a retcon or any sense of 'reaching' there. It seems like a rather straightforward progression.
 
HobbesTheTiger

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Honestly don't get everyone in here getting all upset about the carbonite thing. Every other gangster in the galaxy that heard word that Janna the Hutt had someone who owed him money hanging on his wall would be doing the same exact thing. That's some gangster shit and a great way to send a message, piss me off and late on your payment; end up as decoration. It's way better than putting heads on pikes because you are kept alive. How is it hard to think there would be copycats to this process?

Would it be expensive? Probably, and no you don't need everyone to instal some portable freezing chamber, you could easily make it that bespin is the only place this happens; a seedy underground way to make money on the side by letting bounty hunters and gangsters freeze people. Also, a small price for these gangster lords to pay to send a message.
 
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Starphanluke said:
I actually agree with you on the Threepio point, but I legitimately don't understand what is so "reaching" about this.

Han was on display in one of the biggest criminal underworld havens in the galaxy. Many criminals saw and took notice, and many more spread the word around. This leads some Bounty Hunters install carbonite chambers on their ships or some shit like that.

I genuinely fail to see a retcon or any sense of 'reaching' there. It seems like a rather straightforward progression.
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Ok, let's go on this lore speculation journey! Han Solo was on display for a year in Jabba's Palace. His vitals were stable, but nobody knew if he could be revived. He was a trophy. Most of the people who saw him de-frosted died on Jabba's Barge. So, using carbonite for bringing in 'live' bounties would be rather risky. At least risky enough not to make it the industry standard. Bounty hunters wouldn't really start installing carbonite chambers on their ships en masse. Also, the chamber in Cloud City was huge and miniaturization (and tech progress) doesn't seem to be a thing in the SW universe.

All of this makes me think 'unlikely', not impossible or illogical, just unlikely. Having this unlikely thing be performed by a character identical to a character who did it before, this is what pushes it over the edge for me. Because why would you put two classical images that went together in the past, again: cheesy nostalgia used for marketing or it's Boba Fett. 50/50 for me ;)
 
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I'd say it's obvious now this is earning its even higher budget than Star Trek: Discovery.

Which is wild because Discovery looks amazing.

What a good time to be a sci-fi TV fan. "Wait for the wheel," John Crichton said. And I did.
 
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Not really into Star Wars but this does look good and I am a big fan of some the actors appearing in it. I'm in.
 
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On the Carbonyte issue...
I have never read any Star Wars novels so all my fandom is based on movies tv and games.


When watching Star Wars back in the day, Han being trapped in carbonyte never felt like a one-off it just felt like it was not the one of best the facilities to do it in. When C3PO says "he should be quite well protected if he survived the freezing process," I never took that as some on the fly thing but just something not suitable for people on Bespin. They even have a health monitor on then slab to to check on the cargo, never seemed that off the books to me.
 
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kiguel182 said:
Wait, won't all the movies be part of Disney+?
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Not at first. All the movies currently on Netflix will still be on Netflix until those deals expire. For example, Disney+ will have Endgame but not Infinity War.

Starphanluke said:
Except that it seems like a very logical explanation, even if he is a brand new character. Han was on display in Jabba's palace for months. Word definitely spread, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's now a common technique used by Bounty Hunters to easily transport live bounties.

...which wouldn't be a retcon in the slightest. It's be a progression of the mythology.
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Wasn't it years? Word definitely would have spread in the bounty hunting community.
 
DiipuSurotu

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I feel like the only reason this isn't Boba Fett is because the prequels gave him a backstory and it was a shitty one
 
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Ugh, I really hope it's not Boba Fett. Most overrated character in cinema history.

Lemme have my original Pedro Pascal character
 
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Mockerre said:
Ok, let's go on this lore speculation journey! Han Solo was on display for a year in Jabba's Palace. His vitals were stable, but nobody knew if he could be revived. He was a trophy. Most of the people who saw him de-frosted died on Jabba's Barge. So, using carbonite for bringing in 'live' bounties would be rather risky. At least risky enough not to make it the industry standard. Bounty hunters wouldn't really start installing carbonite chambers on their ships en masse. Also, the chamber in Cloud City was huge and miniaturization (and tech progress) doesn't seem to be a thing in the SW universe.

All of this makes me think 'unlikely', not impossible or illogical, just unlikely. Having this unlikely thing be performed by a character identical to a character who did it before, this is what pushes it over the edge for me. Because why would you put two classical images that went together in the past, again: cheesy nostalgia used for marketing or it's Boba Fett. 50/50 for me ;)
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I don't think it's unlikely, I think the carbonite freezing being proven is the most likely scenario for the widespread use of it and it makes sense. There were probably dozens of bounty hunters that were going in and out of Jabba's Palace during the time Han was displayed there considering the nature of Jabba's business.

Some of this carbonite speculation is really reaching, the simplest explanation is the most plausible one and it fits the timeline, no retconning necessary.
 
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GSG said:
I don't think it's unlikely, I think the carbonite freezing being proven is the most likely scenario for the widespread use of it and it makes sense. There were probably dozens of bounty hunters that were going in and out of Jabba's Palace during the time Han was displayed there considering the nature of Jabba's business.

Some of this carbonite speculation is really reaching, the simplest explanation is the most plausible one and it fits the timeline, no retconning necessary.
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Simplest explanation is that it's Boba Fett, not that the bounty hunter community must've passed through Jabba's palace and made it a standard practice, c'mon... :D

And I say this hoping The Mandalorian is a new character (Boba Fett is a no-character).
 
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The video package for Jon Favreau's Disney Legends award included three shots that weren't in the trailer:

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DiipuSurotu

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I wonder if the Holdo maneuver being proven will spread as fast as the carbonite freezing thing apparently did.
 
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Mockerre said:
Simplest explanation is that it's Boba Fett, not that the bounty hunter community must've passed through Jabba's palace and made it a standard practice, c'mon... :D

And I say this hoping The Mandalorian is a new character (Boba Fett is a no-character).
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Except that we saw Boba Fett die and Jon Favreau stated that this is another warrior who's story takes place after Jango and Boba so.... that explanation is literally impossible.
 

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Star Wars with a synth score has me crazy excited. The cinematography is just jaw-dropping, it should look incredible in 4K HDR. Sassy Twi'lek looks ace, and I expect only great things with that monster cast (Herzog in the House!)

Star Wars has always had strong Western influences, but never to this extent. Gimme that outlaw space cowboy shit!
 
Geldboom

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I thought Jango/Boba weren't true mandalorian anyway.

So I doubt it's gonna be a twist were it's Boba under the mask.
 
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CesareNorrez

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Garlador said:
So... Star Wars.

Lucas kind of pilfered iconography he loved from prior movies and sci-fi serials shameless to make the originals.
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Yes, that is kind of how all storytelling works.

To the larger point, I like Star Wars because I like Star Wars. I don't get this push to move away from all the signatures of the series. People don't want lightsabers, or Skywalkers, or the Empire or the Rebellion, Jedi or Sith, even The Force. They seem to just want the Star Wars name on the story. And that expresses a strange sort of love for Branding. I would love more Space Opera myself. Without all those things I associate with Star Wars, to boot, but I'm quite happy to discover new Space Opera not labeled Star Wars.

The further you move away from the hallmarks of the series, I'm just not sure what's even the point to call it Star Wars. The more people contribute to Star Wars the more interpretations you have, and eventually you start getting copies of copies. I think it should be a fairly narrow thing, really. And I'm not saying you have to Luke, Han, Leia over and over. But the idea of the Light Side and the Dark Side have to exist and be a presence (this does not require overt references). The stories should revolve around that to some extent. I think Rogue One was a great way to push the universe in a new direction while keeping firm ties to what we know as Star Wars. And The Clone Wars show was so wide open to all kinds of stories, from Political to Spiritual. That show ran the gamut of telling all kinds of stories within the Star Wars framework. The Mandalorian also looks to work wonderfully in that vein. And I'm interested to see what Rian Johnson does with his trilogy because I felt he respected all 7 of the prior Episodes.
 
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