He wasn't holding the saber over him. Luke had it off to the side.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
- Thread starter Bronx-Man
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The only argument I was making is that Luke didn't try to kill Ben.
I never said what Luke did wasn't wrong or that what Ben did wasn't justified.
Not saying I think Kylo Ren was right to react the way he did whatsoever, mind, but I feel like this difference isn't as major as people are making it to be. Someone standing over you with a drawn lightsaber in his hand, even if the saber isn't directly over you, would still feel really damn threatening, you know?
I mean you could argue that those emotions are a stepping stone to eventually getting into position to joining the baddies. Which is what happened with Anakin. He never once thought about joining the bad guys until EP3. Up until that point he just delved into dark emotions.
Even Luke never actually considered joining the bad guys. He was just super pissed at Vader and the Emperor. But he's still "tempted" all the same.
It's more of the door it opens.
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying that she shouldn't even be tempted via dark thoughts and actions.
what does this matter? he still flicked it on to kill him he just changed his mind
I was about to say the nitpickers will complain about how Rey would be able to make it but I realized......NO ONE can ever complain about Rey knowing how do to something in 9 now.
All you have to say is "The ancient Jedi texts!".
Maybe we will have one movie without dumb complaints about her skill level.
Threatening, definitely. Not something that can really be used as a justification for Ben's actions, as you said.
I think that's kind of the point though. Ben was ready to go down that road anyway.
She wants to turn him because she falsely sees conflict in him thanks to Snoke and also thinks she sees him turning to their side, which she thinks is key to winning against First Order because she can't get Luke to join the fight, not just out of the pureness of her heart. And again, she starts off justifiably angry for what he did in TFA but in the course of the movie she talks to him and, for one, learns that he was kind of wronged as well and thinks that leaves some room for redemption if he turns and helps them. That starts to mellow her out to him but ultimately when she understands he's rotten to the core, she doesn't hesitate to try to fool/betray him.
I doubt she would have completely forgotten him but for the duration of the battle against the FO she could've used the help. Afterwards she seems like the kind of person who would've been adamant that he atone for his sins in a more concrete way.
See, here I think is why in part we're seeing LFL move the Force to something less binary. Anger, hate, fear, passion...those aren't inherently bad emotions. There's nothing inherently dark about them. It's perfectly justifiable for people to feel all of these things in various capacities. Rey *should* hate Kylo. Rey *should* hate Snoke. Just because you experience those emotions doesn't really make you more likely to go to the dark side. It's how you use those emotions that matter. Rey hasn't used any of those emotions as a means to obtain power or to go out of her way to hurt others.
Yeah, when I've said "tempted" in the past, it was a short hand for "joining the bad guys." Rey's too moral to do that. Like, there's nothing in either film that tells us she'd even consider it.
Hmmm. I would prefer yellow, but as long as it's double-bladed I'm happy.
Rey's double saber is forged from the shards of Narcil I mean Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber and Luke Skywalker's lightsaber
The kyber crystal is the Elder Wand of kyber crystals
Could be inside R2, wouldn't be the first time, and I wouldn't put it past the little foul mouthed beast to steak it.
She longs for love too. A lot of people believe that those who were abandoned by their parents at a young age "turn out bad" but it's actually not always the case. Or ever. In fact, sometimes it's worse to grow up in a broken home than alone.
People will then complain and call her a Mary Sue for reading the texts when Luke didn't.
Yeah can't see a fusion of blue and green. Would like Ray to use the crystal in Luke's green saber, that is if it still even exists. Maybe even yellow blades like Bastila Shan from KOTOR.
Either way, she needs to go with a double-bladed saber in XI.
There have to be a lot of lightsabers still floating around the galaxy. Or maybe palpatine has them all stored somewhere. Probably not something they would put in the movies, but it would make for a cool short story
Luke tried to strike the Emperor down to save his friends just like Rey used her negative emotions in the thrown room. You can have negative emotions, it's what you do with them that opens you up to the Dark Side. That's why Yoda has that thing about how a Jedi must use their weapons only in self defense. Why Jedi focused their meditation to limit negative emotions, because there's a risk that you start letting them fuel your actions and the Dark Side is like a drug that takes control of you.
The implication is that force sensitives are more vulnerable to corruption because of how plugged in to the energies of the force.
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I like all of this. And Ben's the other side, he clearly still feels the "pull of the light" as he couldn't push the fire button and kill his mum, but he's definitely the bad guy. They're both different from the dogmatic 'absolutes' of how both Sith and Jedi thought they understood the force.
I like it.
Edit: Also, I hope Rey gets a double-blade staff-sabre. She's good with that staff, and it would be badass.
Kylo did fix his between TFA and TLJ didn't he? Surprisingly fast too.
Rey can't fix hers in time but Leia gives her one that she built before she dies. Its blade is yellow just because.
I'm all for Leia being a secret Jedi and having a lightsaber.
only sad in the sense that some idiot decided to spend their time making this shit
What if Rey recovers Jyn Erso's crystal for her new lightsaber?
Also the origin of those golden dice has to be explained in Solo: A Star Wars Story
Also the origin of those golden dice has to be explained in Solo: A Star Wars Story
There needs to be one comparing all the things Luke did with everything Kevin Flynn did in TRON Legacy
Old people are only good for dying
this made me giggle. shows how a good director can change a scene.
What was Padme's hangup about joining Anakin in the first place?
She used to be a monarch herself. And it's not like she was a big fan of the Republic or the Jedi.
he's right though, according to Story Group, the canon version of the movies is the latest version.
An elected monarch!
Really, she was a powerful president for all intents and purposes.
If Mark Hamill doesn't like Luke in TLJ then he's the most dedicated professional you've ever seen, because his performance to bring Luke to life in the film is wonderful.
He's fantastic in this film.
He's fantastic in this film.
She married him like 5 minutes after he went on a psycho rant about murdering women and children.
Good lord that romance was something else.
Possibly?
Her death this going to be tricky however it's done.
Love you too, bruh.
She is a monarch of her planet, a monarchy which is elected. On a galactic level, She believes in the Republic whilst Anakin is proposing a real monarchy with him as emperor and dictator.
I can imagine that he loves playing Luke. A character like Luke is one in a million in movie character history. He's like James Bond or James Kirk, except I doubt he will be replaced.
Hopefully he has more to do than stand and talk in IX.