I mean an unconscious decision is still a decision you make. Unless you have a part of your brain that isn't you.
But I think we've talked this enough. I'll concede you didn't feel like you had any choice in the things you liked and disliked.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
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But I think we've talked this enough. I'll concede you didn't feel like you had any choice in the things you liked and disliked.
Totally didn't make that connection about the rebel scum line
That's brilliant wow
I love the way Rian Johnson uses fan service in this movie, it's never just put for shits and giggles, it always serves a purpose.
Yeah I was too wrapped up in the moment to realize that that moment is even he finally accepted that he's a part of it resistance
Nothing to get worked up over
Isn't this that dumb idiot who claims Luke left a map to him in TFA and criticized TLJ about it?
Anyone who keeps on insisting that is someone who isn't capable of actually watching films and the problem solving capability of a 3 year old.
So no one should waste time paying attention to this bozo in the video.
lmmfao. These are both fantastic.
Ok, you explain it pretty well but didn't the first film already develop him in this way? He may have risked his life for Rey but he still ended up in a coma over it, still feels like it was a what do we with Finn situation. I think I just haven't been very impressed with how the new side characters have been handled, I feel like they barely even know each other outside of Finn and Rose who's new. I feel like there's little chemistry between them. Poe just met Rey, Rey and Finn hug, Finn and Poe's relationship is like when you recognise someone from school but didn't keep in contact because you weren't that good friends, and Rose felt like a bit of a stand-in for Rey while she was away during Finn's adventure. BB-8 feels like the only character to develop somewhat of a relationship with everyone, and even then it's not like she sees Rey til the end.
Agreed. This movie was a fair bit better about it over TFA. Compare the rebel scum line to Finn leaning on the game board in the Falcon. With the latter, it's just like okay cool I guess.
Not eating/drinking is a legitimate case of nitpicking. Things like inconsistency with gravity are legitimate criticisms. People should learn the difference.
The first movie just shows us that Finn escaped from the FO because he didn't like what they were doing but after that everything he does is for Rey and never for the Resistance. Remember, at the start of this movie Rose is talking about what a great hero he is and we can see that Finn knows that's all a bunch of BS, especially since he's actively trying to run away. Finn at the end of the movie wouldn't escape.
Getting a fact wrong doesn't invalidate all his opinions. I've watched TFA twice and even I thought the "map" was to Luke not to the first Jedi temple, heck even the wiki states that it's a map to Luke's location(sure anyone can edit the wiki)
His opinions might differ from yours but likening his mental acuity to a toddler and calling him idiot is distasteful
Reylo for life
Should I just copy and paste my two paragraphs about Finn's development
Just cuz that opening scene didn't play out the way you wanted (dude in the video) doesn't mean it's any less monumental.
Rey showing up on the island is what allows Luke to return as the hero in the end. Its symbolism still holds true.. even if Luke initially rejects the call.
Haha, this is so good.
Well mainly because asteroid fields in movies are dangerous volatile places and would be a danger to both Alliance and Empire fleets. Han was a decent pilot who used the Falcon's speed and agility to his advantage.
http://humaniterations.net/2017/12/19/so-were-just-abolishing-worldbuilding-then
I'm more of a worldbuilding oriented guy. It would be more interesting for me to know where starkiller base came from, where snoke came from/or something, ANYTHING about him, why we should fear Phasma, more about Luke's school, more about Kylo's initial fall, etc.
I'm more of a worldbuilding oriented guy. It would be more interesting for me to know where starkiller base came from, where snoke came from/or something, ANYTHING about him, why we should fear Phasma, more about Luke's school, more about Kylo's initial fall, etc.
People just gonna ignore you and continue posting about how Finn didn't do anything.
Like, shit I could write even more after seeing TFA for the first time in forever.
His rapport with Poe is sublime. When Poe calls him out on his bullshit about saying it's the right thing to do when he really needs a pilot, it's great. Man I love Finn.
Sorry to quote this again but this guy is like a living laundry list of every ill conceived criticism of TLJ.
"Veganism in SW" Jesus Christ lol
And it's really great that the other dude literally says "name one thing you liked about the movie" And he literally dives right back into bitching about literally everything.
This is pathetic lol. There are legitimate criticisms in this film but they touched on none of them.
RJ really broke some SW fans. If you have to say "I'm not just living in my head here" multiple times in your review, your fanboy headcanon is definitely producing an irrational emotional response
Yo I think You'd like that podcast I was talking about last night honestly. It's just...whew
An opinion out there that you don't agree with does not give rise to a pass to put those opinions down with severe belittlement words such as used in your post, here.
Star Wars is a beloved franchise that would elicit a whole different slew of takes and opinions. But at its heart, all its fans are deeply connected with it, so please try to celebrate your fandom instead of filling it with battles in which every opinion is trying to be the one opinion that will rule the galaxy? Thank you.
The thing is that the map is very poorly explained within TFA. I wouldn't think less of anyone That misinterpreted it. This kind of toxicity is exactly the problem with this thread. Why do you feel that it's acceptable to act like this.
If you can look at the script where this element is introduced and come to another obvious interpretation have at it. I'd be interested in hearing it.
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens.html
In the beginning LOR doesn't give people much. All he infers is like with the opening crawl, they need to find Luke.
It being something that this guy 'found' gives the impression that it was purposely hidden by someone. Who is the likely candidate to have done that?
Because it is repeatedly refered to in these terms, people assume that Luke left it because he'd know where he was going. The fact that it's split just creates the perception that it is a safety measure macgiffin.
Part of the reason that this dialog can throw people is... how would they not know that this is a map to the first Jedi Temple... if they say that this is a map to Luke as a synonym for the first Jedi Temple?
Han says that no one knows where he went and that a Jedi Temple is just a guess.This reinforces the idea that where ever Luke went HE knows, so it would follows that 'a map to Luke' that was 'discovered' was hidden and thus intended on his part. Something Luke would do if he had a mission and wanted to be found in case but not by people who would sell him out.
There is one line about Luke walking away from everything but they then ask 'where did he go?'
'those who knew him best think that he went in search of the first Jedi Temple'.
This can easily infer PURPOSE and doesn't reinforce 'he walked away' that he ultimately gave up to go die.
I think this element could have been handled better —and made the final moments of TFA more dramatic, as well as increased tension throughout the film — if this had explicitly been referred to as 'the map to the first Jedi Temple'. That it was on faith, hope, and a guess that Luke might be found there.
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Yep, his insight was honestly something I ain't know I wanted
My roommates and I listened to the first 20 min or so. He said a lot of correct shit. I don't agree with his interpretation of the force, stuff like that, but he said a lot of spot on stuff about how fans think about and react to SW shit
I should probably finish it.
I'm halfway through it myself, I just like hearing this shit from someone who's doing work that's within Canon tbh. Like I can hear fans and shit, but this is different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTYDQmswF5Y
Here's a video of that dude just walking out of the movie. He puts it among the top SW films and says a lot of good stuff about TLJ.
So uhh
That's a fast turn from it's a good SW movie to
I literally cannot say anything good about it, it SUCKS
Here's a video of that dude just walking out of the movie. He puts it among the top SW films and says a lot of good stuff about TLJ.
So uhh
That's a fast turn from it's a good SW movie to
I literally cannot say anything good about it, it SUCKS
Who's podcast? Freddie? I don't think I've heard of this guy before. Any links you can spare?
Nevermind, thanks.
Freddie Prinze Jr. Actor, writer, in Star Wars Rebels, it's not his pod he was just on it
Right, and I really respect a lot of his insight, but I also don't agree with his interpretation of the force. Flat out, even if what he's saying is technically based in canon.
The PT is canon and makes no sense. So it's all pretty fucking mucked up
Lol agreed, the concept is interesting in that the force is interested in balance above all elss, intervening when it sees fit. Idk if I agree but I'm interested in it
Ah thanks
I'm still amazed that somehow this is the movie that breaks people and...not the PT
I'm listening to it now and he just said "the force controls your destiny, they're all just vessels"
I don't agree with that. The OT and ST are heavily based in choice, along with harnessing the power of the force.
"The force literally controls everything" is the most fucking boring narrative you can possibly invent
How can a lot of things that RJ did be subversions of expectations yet not have been set up in TFA to allow for said subversions?
Freddie just said "the force is GOD"
Yeah.. I'm sorry but no
It's also worth noting that Freddie backs up Mark Hamill and said Disney has never and would never come after someone for expressing their opinion.
FPJ's whole Twitch overlay is Star Wars themed and all his notifications have Kandan on them.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/159442987
Dude loves being in Star Wars.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/159442987
Dude loves being in Star Wars.
Yep, I think a balance of the two could work in concept though. A mixture of choice and destiny
Gotta keep listening, When he gets past that and just talks about the movie itself again you should be gucci
Again I'm surprised the PT didn't break them
Or maybe it broke a lot but not a lot of message boards back then to track...?
That's exactly how I view SW. Choice is the most important component, although the Force guides you along your path. "Everything is predetermined" is boring as fuck.
I'm gunna keep listening
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