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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
- Thread starter Bronx-Man
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Here's the thing: if you're trying to make some kind of "legitimate argument," and you suddenly realize that like 90% of the people fervently agreeing with you are massive bigots, it's time to take a step back, ask yourself how you got here, and whether or not it's really so important to keep up the good fight against the Ghostbusters reboot or ethics in game journalism or a fictional movie character while also providing cover fire for the worst elements of humanity. If you decide the issue truly is that important, then by all means, continue to die on that hill, but know what others are thinking of you while you do it.
That's the weird thing for me and I went through the prequels yet THIS is the one that breaks the fandom:
the more I dwell on this movie and force awakens the more disappointed I get in Abrams and Johnson for bringing us back to the Rebels v. Empire plotline for Episode 9. JJ started it but Johnson could've broken that chain. he didn't.
so much untapped potential and so many new directions they could have gone...why the most boring one that basically makes all of the OT pointless
why why WHY?!?!?! why couldn't we just get an old republic movie if they didn't want to be more creative??? I don't fucking understand why they chose the most boring possible plot outline
it's almost painful to think about how epic Abrams + Rian's version of something like the Yuuzhan Vong wars would have been...AHH
so much untapped potential and so many new directions they could have gone...why the most boring one that basically makes all of the OT pointless
why why WHY?!?!?! why couldn't we just get an old republic movie if they didn't want to be more creative??? I don't fucking understand why they chose the most boring possible plot outline
it's almost painful to think about how epic Abrams + Rian's version of something like the Yuuzhan Vong wars would have been...AHH
How about we play prediction game for IX. State your wish and prediction (if your wish and prediction is different) about various plot points in IX, like:
1. How's the final battle between the Resistance vs the First Order gonna come out.
2. How's the final battle between Rey and Kylo gonna come out.
3. How about Kylo, what's his final fate? Death? Redemption? Death by Redemption?
4. Shippers, come forward! Lol. If you think romance is going to be an element in IX, what do you think the final romance is going to be between the characters?
5. Who lives and who dies among the characters.
6. For those characters that you think will make it, what do you project their final fate will be? Like Rey, Finn, Rose, etc etc.
7. How will they handle Carrie Fisher's death in IX?
8. Will Phasma gonna make a comeback? Lol. Place your bets!
9. What's the opening roll text gonna be? Predict the first 10 sentence!
Feel free to add your wish/prediction for IX :)
1. How's the final battle between the Resistance vs the First Order gonna come out.
2. How's the final battle between Rey and Kylo gonna come out.
3. How about Kylo, what's his final fate? Death? Redemption? Death by Redemption?
4. Shippers, come forward! Lol. If you think romance is going to be an element in IX, what do you think the final romance is going to be between the characters?
5. Who lives and who dies among the characters.
6. For those characters that you think will make it, what do you project their final fate will be? Like Rey, Finn, Rose, etc etc.
7. How will they handle Carrie Fisher's death in IX?
8. Will Phasma gonna make a comeback? Lol. Place your bets!
9. What's the opening roll text gonna be? Predict the first 10 sentence!
Feel free to add your wish/prediction for IX :)
The Yuuzhan Vong plotline was one of the worst old cannon EU plotlines though.
i only know the general outline of it. seems better to me than rebels v pseudo empire
I only really went deep into the clone wars part of the EU from comics/tv shows
Have you even followed the conversation at all? Since my original post have you followed alll the replies, and my counter arguments? Cause it really sounds like you haven't. And if you haven't your just wasting my time putting in your two cents on a conversation you don't know anything about. Where are these 90% of people who agree with me that are bigots? Only like 2 people kind of agreed with me and they were Asian putting in their 2 cents on the issue of "Asians should know what other Asians are". Are those the biggots I'm supporting with my non racist statements?
And the only reason I'm replying is to defend myself, am I not allowed to explain my side of the story when people are calling me a racist? I should just take an L because people call me a racist? A Chinese guy being called racist against Chinese people,is what you are expecting me not to defend myself from? In any case, you whole spiel about the ghostbusters reboot and game journalism seems to veer in a direction that has nothing to do with me or my conversation with others in this thread. I get the point you are trying to make, but I'm not the guy you should be making that point against. I'm not racist!
Rewatched the film and everything not having to do with the jedi and the sith was really bad with the exception of Oscar Isaac and Benicio del Toro but i may be extremely biased to latino men so i don't think that is me being """objective""".
On my 2nd watch I played with my phone during the entire scene of Canto, hahah.
All legitimate complains, but you're not gonna get through to anyone, sadly, the trenches are now really deep.
There is definitely an element of nerd rage at play at the role of females in these star wars movies. But let's think about it for a sec.
The force awakens arguably showed the female lead character in a better light, she made smaller mistakes, had less difficulties to overcome, displayed her strong piloting skills and beat an experienced sith in a one to one lightsaber fight. That sparked all the Mary sue crap. But the difference is that it never took hold in terms of a huge disparity between critics and fans and even the box office reflected it too. No one gave a shit about the mary sue crap. But this movie, because of it's serious and blatant flaws, is weak enough for these things to take hold.
SW is undeniably the franchise that is the most political right now, and because of Rian's shortcomings, the movie simply isn't able to ward off these things as they are lumped in with valid criticisms.
The force awakens arguably showed the female lead character in a better light, she made smaller mistakes, had less difficulties to overcome, displayed her strong piloting skills and beat an experienced sith in a one to one lightsaber fight. That sparked all the Mary sue crap. But the difference is that it never took hold in terms of a huge disparity between critics and fans and even the box office reflected it too. No one gave a shit about the mary sue crap. But this movie, because of it's serious and blatant flaws, is weak enough for these things to take hold.
SW is undeniably the franchise that is the most political right now, and because of Rian's shortcomings, the movie simply isn't able to ward off these things as they are lumped in with valid criticisms.
Yeah I don't really get it, the movies were hugely popular.
But TLJ took the whole thing into uncharted territory. We have no idea how Epi IX will end. We know there are things from TLJ for IX to build upon but they can go into some very non-OT directions with it, even if it's still rebels vs. space nazis. It doesn't have to be a repeat of Epi VI where the Empire, or the First Order in sequel trilogy's case, is (presumably) neatly defeated and the main villain redeems himself in some sacrificial act near the end.
Indeed.
I'd say Blade Runner is the geek culture franchise. Because even now when geekiness is in, BR is too much, too slow and too different to catch on.
Really like what they are doing with Kylo. Rey reveal was perfect, not every hero needs to be related to the og cast. Casino plot was unnecessary, biggest flaw of the movie but everything else was pretty great. A little disappointed we didn't get to know more about Snoke but at the same time it's also kinda cool that it never really was about him, it's about Kylo.
None of those are legitimate complaints, but you people just keep ignoring completely legitimate & logical explanations that are in the movie & people keep pointing out just so you can keep your heads up your asses for whatever reason.
Well, to be honest, the alt-right whiners and misogynistic man-babies are tainting everything now with their BS. They so desperately need to validate their waning position in the world. It's a worldwide masculinity crisis and it smears itself all over every piece of media.
Having said that, people who try to discredit you by saying that a hateful pathetic group also doesn't like the movie is disingenuous at best and harmful to the social discourse at worse.
'You people'? Listen to yourself, man.
is there really that much uncharted territory left for IX?
I feel like all we have left is Rey v Kylo. Or at least I think that's all most people really care about at this point. That's all I really care about.
Finn has been relegated to side plot status and honestly seems like massively wasted potential at this point to me. Him and Poe will be the main rebel characters besides Rey, but any interest I have in what they end up doing just seems minimized by how lame another rebels v empire movie is
Leia will be MIA because RIP carrie. Luke and Han are dead.
This is Disney. They're not gonna let the First Order win or end on some mega grim shit. We know the Rebels will win somehow someway. So meh.
I think the field is wide open for what they want to do with Rey and Kylo Ren, especially Kylo. The first order will lose but the way they lose could go down any number of ways.
Also, I'm like 90% certain Kylo Ren survives since they're doing 10,11, and 12.
Sigh
Reminds me of the Jake
No kid should get that level of hate mail
This movie doesn't have serious and blatant flaws. That's not to say it doesn't have any flaws but it's no more flawed than something like Empire Strikes Back. If it had such huge gaping holes, movie critics wouldn't be so positive about it. They'd rip it apart like Transformers movies or Batman v Superman.
It's telling that the only negative shit mostly comes from people who nitpick the fuck out of this movie on levels they've never done to their beloved Empire Strikes Back or such, the alt-right morons and people who seemingly have the attention span of a cricket considering how much obvious stuff they missed.
It's really disgusting what anominity causes people to devolve in to.
Wait, really?
The fuck?
I thought IX was the end? I thought that was the point of giving Rian a new unrelated trilogy.
That's the weird thing for me and I went through the prequels yet THIS is the one that breaks the fandom:
To paraphrase Bobby, it's kinda insane that no one ever questioned the notion that liking Star Wars, one of the biggest, most successful, most well known franchises in history was somehow a "nerd" thing.
Pretty sure the next trilogy wont involve Rey etc, at least not as the primary protagonists.
They want to keep doing one movie every year and maybe eventually even more than that, like Marvel does. They'll have room for two trilogies at the same time, and the mainline entries have to follow chronological order. No doubt in my mind that we'll be seeing Rey after IX, even if its a side part.
No kidding
I get not liking it but there's no need to go that extra mile all because it didn't do that one thing you wanted from the EU (note, this is not all fans mind you)
Disney haven't directly confirmed it, but Kathleen said they're already planning the next decade of SW movies/stories.
The one a year thing I have no problem with, but I presumed (and I guess hoped) they'd drop the numbered ones with 9.
The cool thing of having these really long gaps between the trilogies made sense. If X is like 2021? That's really lame to me.
Either you have to walk away from Rey and Ren, which is lame for the next entry in 'The Skywalker Saga', as Kennedy calls them, or you're picking it back up way too soon.
If someone wanted to bring them back in twenty/thirty years, that could be cool, but soon? I don't like that at all.
A lot of fuckers do this shit with their real names and faces so it clearly isn't that.
About 4 or 5 people either outright said I was a racist or implied it in their posts. But if no one is, maybe they should stop attacking me, like you.
I agree, I hate how they wasted Finn in this series. The dude has massive potential, it annoyed how they did a bait and switch with Rey in terms of force sensitivity.
They're not going to wait 20 years. Maybe 4 years at most. The mainline entries make too much money and they're going to want to get Mark Hamill in as a force ghost as much as possible while he's alive.
Dude just let it go, otherwise this thread will be filled with nothing but just back and forth between you and the others. Not to mention it brings down the mood of the thread something quite fierce.
Why do you need to overthink such a thing in a movie where Space has gravity?
It just seems so disingenuous to the story to me.
The entire point of this film is that Luke's done. There's a new Jedi now. Kill the past. He was a spark for the next generation of the Resistance, but Rey is all the Luke we need.
Kennedy says Rian's films aren't numbered because they're not part of 'The Skywalker Saga'. There's one Skywalker, well, there's a Solo within the bloodline.
It feels like it's meant to end in two years.
I'm not saying Hamill won't be in IX, I imagine he will, but I don't know, I don't see him as a Force ghost as some huge box office draw.
I'm ready to let it go. I would have let it go pages ago if I wasn't continually attacked. But it seems the attackers have stopped replying to my counterpoints, probably because they are out of reasons to label me a racist. So I'm good :). Continue on with the non Rose/race related Star Wars talk please!
Edit: also it'd be nice if I didn't get an an infraction because people called me racist without cause.
This is all true, but they're making a Han Solo movie no one asked for. They're going to mine the fuck out of the past as long as they can while simultaneously making overtures to a new future with characters like Rey and Kylo Ren. We're not going to really be done with the past until we're all middle aged.
Speaking of that Solo movie, I've started the bingo game for that
Well, I guess my reaction was just at what X, XI, XII are.
If they go from saying I - IX are the 'Skywalker saga' era of the mainline series, and then X on beyond are something else, as if it's just because you still want the event release, that's cool, but I want a conclusion.
I've been dipping my toes into the Marvel stuff, or at least, thinking about it, but the thing that's put me off for all these years, and puts me off stuff like 'soaps' is that feeling that you're never getting to the end. There's no final Avengers movie ever coming. Even if they one day say there is, it'll be like when an artist says they're done, waits four years, does a 'final' world tour before releasing a comeback album.
I understand that killing Luke was tough on some fans, but for me it was wonderful, not only because I think it was masterfully handled, but because it felt like an exhale, forty years in the making.
I love Rey, and it's strange to say I only want one more film for her, but I really do.