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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
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I never had Luke as a hero in fiction
Like shit he was just some boring white guy with a lightsaber and the force to me as a kid. Then as I got older I recognized him as a whiny asshole in ANH, a brat in Empire, and someone who still ain't got all his shit together in Jedi but is a litty friend to have.
Like shit he was just some boring white guy with a lightsaber and the force to me as a kid. Then as I got older I recognized him as a whiny asshole in ANH, a brat in Empire, and someone who still ain't got all his shit together in Jedi but is a litty friend to have.
You misunderstood me. I'm not talking about what Cinemascore pays people. I'm talking about the money invested in the movie. Going to a premiere on a Friday night is not cheap and I think it polarizes views. It's money well-spent vs. money wasted. The effect wears off after a couple of hours, but going straight out of the cinema, you are more likely to give a more exaggerated view one way or another. This is a topic for a different thread though, so lets get back to bashing/praising TLJ :)
The guy got busted hovering over his sleeping nephews bed, saber drawn. Then instead of cleaning up his mess he ran and pouted halfway across the galaxy.
Seems like loser.
The rebels have too few ships. Read the last few pages of my arguments with BetterOffEd. We just got done discussing this Lol.
Hm.
I guess they deemed information such as is this is unnecessary for the movie audience? Or is the audience is expected to pursue collateral material at their own convenience in order to get proper background such as this?
Because as it is--like in the case of DJ--it feels like just a set of contrivances created to further the movie plot, even if it's left the audience with a "huh, uh what?" feeling.
Mark Hamill was the best thing about the last Jedi. The writing was extrordinary and his performance was far beyond what I was expecting. I feel genuinely sorry for anybody who was dissapointed. Carrie and Harrison were lovely, but they didn't blow me away. Luke was a completely surprise. He was the heart of the movie. I left the theater with a big dumb grin. It was perfect.
This is when I get sorta lost. It feels longer in the universe. They mention Snoke existing but does Luke really abandon everyone to the First Order?
I can buy Luke leaving after what happened; disconnecting himself from the Force and not seeing what is happening before he finally reconnects and realises what has happened in his absense. Thats his arc.
However The First Orders strength suggests a force thats been around for some time. I dont huy 4-5 years to get there.
He's great as a live actor. He chooses to do a lot of work where hamming it up is a part of the role though. Not disimilar to Samuel L. Jackson. Or how Liam Neeson does almost nothing but action films now.
Mark Hamill's best performance was me trying to get him to bang a porn star in Wing Commander 3.
Lol, why are you even in this thread? Luke was the hero of the OT, his was the journey of the hero, it couldn't be more clear. The fact that they toilet paper the whole contents of the OT just to give us broken Luke for the lulz is what is creating the divide in TLJ appreciation.
Most movies contain "boring white guy" protagonists. I guess you haven't seen any good big-budget "hero" movies ever. Lol at whiny asshole, brat and someone who still ain't got all his shit together.
But they have shown themselves to actually be good actors and do hammy shit
Hamill, really hasn't
Finally saw this. The movie has some serious issues, but also some good ideas. Overall I'd call it a bad movie cause I don't know if a movie can be in that good category with a subplot and associated characters that were so bad.
Anywheres here's my thoughts:
- The opening action scene with Poe needing take down the auxiliary cannons to make way for the Bwing bombers was cool.
- The overarching action set piece of the cruiser needing to stay just out of range of Snokes ship or whatever was a good idea.
- Luke's characterization as reluctant master was unexpected but dumb. I felt like Johnson wrote the film specifically to be contrarian to Star Wars fans expections, and he's does this a little bit too much where it hurts the movie. In many cases the movie would have been stronger if he just went the cliche route. Like Rey training with Luke would have been fun to see.
- Rose is a bad actress. She sucks. Her character sucks. Her "romance" with Flynn sucks. Her subplot sucks. Her message sucks. Everything about her sucks. But yay for Chinese box office gainssss!
- Poe Dameron continues to be the best part of the new trilogy.
- Snoke was dumb cliche bad guy, but I guess it's good that he was killed?
- Kylo is still a good character.
- Meh on Leia flying back to ship part. But it wasn't that bad.
Anywheres here's my thoughts:
- The opening action scene with Poe needing take down the auxiliary cannons to make way for the Bwing bombers was cool.
- The overarching action set piece of the cruiser needing to stay just out of range of Snokes ship or whatever was a good idea.
- Luke's characterization as reluctant master was unexpected but dumb. I felt like Johnson wrote the film specifically to be contrarian to Star Wars fans expections, and he's does this a little bit too much where it hurts the movie. In many cases the movie would have been stronger if he just went the cliche route. Like Rey training with Luke would have been fun to see.
- Rose is a bad actress. She sucks. Her character sucks. Her "romance" with Flynn sucks. Her subplot sucks. Her message sucks. Everything about her sucks. But yay for Chinese box office gainssss!
- Poe Dameron continues to be the best part of the new trilogy.
- Snoke was dumb cliche bad guy, but I guess it's good that he was killed?
- Kylo is still a good character.
- Meh on Leia flying back to ship part. But it wasn't that bad.
It was hinted at in the movie that the Rebels fleet is old, and very slim pickings compared to the FO in the movie. First with Poe's recklessness, then the fact the Rebels fleet ran out of fuel faster than the FO's, then the abandoned Rebel base. The Capital Ships' size difference from both sides. And the fact that they said they are the last of the organized resistance left. Yes there are pockets in the outer rims of the galaxy, but they are not organized as shown when they would not come to their aid.
I like Star Wars, like damn who pissed in ya corn flakes
I very much know that Luke was the hero of the OT guy, settle ya ass down somewhere
Right? Whoever that guy was earlier in the thread saying Hamill's acting was terrible is out of his mind.
Sorry, I didn't know you were just trying to be edgy with your original post.
I mean the under-equipped heroes fighting against a much more powerful evil guys is just standard fiction tropes, but I kinda hope at least the movie(s) made some effort into showing stuff like Leia abandoning the Senate or whatever because it would be beneficial to the world-building.
It is as if... the movies are in such in a hurry, you know?
Rose is a bad actress? I thought she did fine with the cards she was dealt. You do also realise that she's an American actress right?
Saw it last night. Overall liked it, but thought TFA was way better.
It irked me that Poe and Finn only fucked things up in the movie. Nothing they did helped anything. Bringing in DJ ended up getting a ton of people killed.
It irked me that Poe and Finn only fucked things up in the movie. Nothing they did helped anything. Bringing in DJ ended up getting a ton of people killed.
Sure it's a trope but this movie turns that trop on it's head with the Resistance almost completely gone and not a single idea what the next movie is going to be about. Especially now that Carrie Fisher is gone :(.
Unless they recast Princess Leia, I don't know where the next part is going to go at all.
TFA did a really terrible job of setting this up. Didn't really matter to TLJ but was confusing in TFA.
A massive chunk of his acting career was tainted by typecasting. He did broadway for a few years, quite well, but even after that was turned down for roles because casting producers didn't want "Luke Skywalker" in their film. It was after that, that he leaned into hammy genre stuff and guest spots and stuntcasting.
He's not a bad actor. Just one whose career was jacked up due to hitting it big in a silly genre trilogy. It doesn't happen to everyone who stars in these types of things but it happens to a lot of people.
Yes, but they poll (almost) every major release. So they usually have a metric where if a film gets an A+ the studio can expect to do more business than a similarly sized A movie. And an A movie can do more business than an A- movie and so on.
So they have a dataset of comparable stats for different movies and genres over decades. That's important.
Similar conditions and copious historical data controls for things like fanboys and opening day crowds since other scores will also have their opening day crowds.
Sure you probably can't say an A from a drama oscar bait is comparable to a summer event film, but you can compare the summer event films.
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I mean we have so many instances in the movies where he's "totally gone" but I suppose the possibility of redemption must always be dangled to us in order to create drama.
Like heck, the very first thing he did in his appearance is ordering an entire village full of innocent to be blasted to bits mercilessly, lol, I don't know about you guys but that's really "totally gone" material for me, hahaha.
Anyways, even in TLJ the movie made a point of Rey literally and figuratively closes the door on him. The shining force of extreme goodness that came to the enemy's base directly for the possibility of converting him to goodness, even that person has given up, so I think the "Kylo will be a good guy" has been totally shut. I think.
Meh, I am like 1.000.000% sure that Rey will become such a WOOEY INSPIRING HERO in the next movie and we will have a scene of everybody from the Outer Rim coming together forming a large force to counter the FO, like in Mass Effect 3 where Shepard led the huge alliance army against the Reapers, hshsha.
Mark deserves props for selling the hell out of his interactions with Yoda and the droids in the OT. Dude made you believe they were real. A different actor could have come across as uncomfortable or bored.
While contentions can be made about how TLJ treated Luke as a character, I don't think there's any room for discussion regarding the quality of Hamill's performance itself in this movie.
She's American and she has Vietnamese heritage, but nice try?
I'm sure their are a small number of citizens of china happy to see any Asians in more movies but I assume they want more Chinese people specifically. God I hate red letter media for their "forced diversity" bullshit.
She's Vietnamese but kk
She was fine, she had a crush on Finn, it wasn't a romance. Her character is inoffensive at worst.
Rose, the casino plot, the giant bunny chase. Straight out of a filler episode.
They didn't even talk about this, wtf.
They didn't even talk about this, wtf.
Wow, this movie was a mess...
-The Finn-Rose subplot (she fell in love with him over like what, 10 hours?)
-The character assassination of Luke just because they wanted to subvert expectations
-Killing off Snoke before we even know who the fuck he is
-Having Phasma do nothing (yet again) and killing her off
-The whole Casino part that felt like something straight out of the prequels, completely irrelevant to the overall plot.
-Humour that simply wasn't funny or appropriate at times (The whole "i can't hear you" phone gag was really out of place)
etc.
Pretty disappointed even though I wasn't expecting much after TFA and Rogue One...
-The Finn-Rose subplot (she fell in love with him over like what, 10 hours?)
-The character assassination of Luke just because they wanted to subvert expectations
-Killing off Snoke before we even know who the fuck he is
-Having Phasma do nothing (yet again) and killing her off
-The whole Casino part that felt like something straight out of the prequels, completely irrelevant to the overall plot.
-Humour that simply wasn't funny or appropriate at times (The whole "i can't hear you" phone gag was really out of place)
etc.
Pretty disappointed even though I wasn't expecting much after TFA and Rogue One...
Well to be fair even before she really knew him she's already infatuated with him with his status as a hero and everything, you know.
And also during the kiss, even Finn's face was like, WTF just happened, lol.
This is really one of the biggest detriments to the film.
Not only is it just not funny and off tone, having the bad guys shown to be such rubes right off the bat totally neuters any threat the could be for the rest of your film.
Just a truly baffling decision.
So many contrivances in this movie. The only choice is to ignore them.
I actually thought this was a good way to start the film. Not laugh out loud funny but it was a good way to introduce the space chase part of the movie, setting up the Poe arc by showing how brazen and inappropriate he can be.
Before Luke walks out specifically, his line are:
"No prisoners, no quarter."
despite likely sensing that his mother is down there. He's really gone.
Destroy the entire First Order with his laser sword and flippy-dippy wire-fu bullshit.
What?
They mocked the Star Wars franchise for its lack of diversity behind the camera.