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Star Wars sidelines Kelly Marie Tran (OPEN TRoS SPOILERS)
- Thread starter MinusTydus
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So since we are all going to die I want you to sit in here and not attempt to do shit like me?
JJ is good at setting up mysteries and resolutions though. Look at Lost.
Canto Bight is a huge waste of time, AND (more criminally) a huge waste of Justin Theroux who was the actual master code breaker they went there to find. Why cast an amazing actor like him to play a supposedly important part, only for it NOT to be an important part and only be used for a gag while Rose and Finn get dragged off to jail?
Oh, and then there's another master code breaker chillin' in the jail cell too 'cus why the hell not?
Canto Bight is dumb, and could have been almost anything else for Rose and Finn to be doing.
Have a dumb opinion on the quality of his role all you want but don't act like it's comparable. He still had a very strong portion of screen time. He was still a main character. Rose gets literally a minute in this. A pointless minute that only exists so they can say she's technically in the movie.
Yeah, sucked big time. Shame JJ caved to the racist neckbeards.
Because it isn't all about plot. It was designed to show a different side of the world. The 1%. And it did a fine job of that.
People get so caught up on plot idiocy. So what if it didn't work out well. That's fine. It's star wars lol.
It's a garbage opinion that's nothing but hyperbole. Stop trying to convince people that they're wrong for enjoying it.
The guy was clearly trying to take star wars in a new direction.
He made it final that Kylo can't be brought back to the light which I appreciated because it would feel like a cliche otherwise.
He distanced himself from midichlorians and went back to the force being a mystical energy and expanded the lore.
He set Rey up to be someone unique, a new bloodline. Not a Skywalker, Kenobi or Palpatine. This was someone who was meant to be totally original.
The movie was moving away from the Jedi vs Sith unlike the past 7 movies.
I appreciate the fact that Rian wanted to take it in a new direction with new things and not just keep going on about bringing people to the light side and the Jedi. It's supposed to be a whole galaxy, let's explore it a bit and stop focusing on the same things from the past movies.
Yes. It didn't help that out of the 3 mains, Finn is like a white canvas who just woke up from being a brainwashed storm trooper and Rey is not very worldly and has been basically trapped in the same place since her childhood. We couldn't really get what the context of the world is. Rose gives us that context and the whole Canto arc shows not only Finn but the audience.
It's a garbage portion of the film. Almost every other storyline, set piece, moment, etc in TLJ is better than the entirety of Canto Bight. What good is showing us a different angle of the world/galaxy if it drags the rest of the movie down with it?
I don't need plot beat after plot beat after plot beat, and I'm perfectly fine with a jaunt down a less serious/different road in Star Wars. Star Wars is full of that stuff. Doesn't mean it's always done well, or enjoyably.
Canto Bight is what truly robbed Rose, and us.
His attempt to do shit was just going to be a pointless suicide. What do you think his little speeder thing was going to do to that cannon? Why do you think everyone else pulled back?
The entire Resistance was probably going to be annihilated within minutes. Rose was a hopeful person who thought that staying alive for those few extra minutes was a better idea than blowing up inside a laser cannon. As it turns out, it was a pretty good idea, because Luke Skywalker appeared and save them all. If she hadn't stopped Finn he'd be dead now.
Feel really bad for Kelly Marie Tran. How come Benicio Del Toro got away squeaky clean here while his character is *actually* the worst character addition in Star Wars history? Hmm. Wonder why. Jk it's obvious a lot people hate Rose because of her appearance but are too pussy to ever admit it. So "muh themes! Muh writing" gets pulled out while the handsome characters go unscathed. There's plenty to talk about TLJ but the rose haters need to get a grip. it's a bad character surrounded by omega shit tier one's. who the fuck even cares any more
Canto Bight would have been fine if this was a multi-episode TV series, but it did feel out of place in the movie.
Del Toro's character in TLJ is fucking horrible, agreed. Completely forgettable, contrived, and ultimately pointless. Just like the entire Canto Bight sideplot he was birthed for, imagine that.
It feels like an episode of Clone Wars snatched up off of the cutting room floor.
It just dawned on me... I've seen the movie several times but can't remember what his character's name was. That's pathetic.
Lol sure, but it's not a baseless opinion. Nor is it an opinion unshared by many over the last two years.
I got to be honest, I think everyone gets Rose saving Finn incorrectly, because I don't think the question is "Did Rose do the right thing?". I think it's more dramatic irony. Finn and Rose end up character wise where the other began. Finn starts the movie uncaring about the Resistance and is fixated on making sure Rey survives the current crisis while Rose has her sister's belief in staying and sacrificing in the Resistance cause, even zapping deserters to make sure they stay. At the end, Finn is now a full Resistance believer and is ready to sacrifice himself to save the Resistance while Rose is uncaring about the Resistance as a whole and is determined to save the one person she cares about (i.e. Finn).
You called his opinion garbage for not liking Canto Bright like it's not a legitimate complaint. Hmm well that's something
Movie will do AT BEST the same as the "reviled" TLJ so...
Soooo only hundreds of millions in box office profit plus several hundred million more in merchandising. Not sure what your point was but
It makes her a character who grew throughout the course of the movie.
Lol! It's not more legit then any other opinion. Can you not understand that concept? Just because a segment of people yell loudly about it doesn't legitimise it over everything else at all. That's the point. No one is MORE right and I feel like that's a concept people don't quite understand because they wanna keep hammering the same points for four years.
I mean, doesn't she judge him before Canto Blight, which is where both characters start reversing their philosophies? Like, sure that makes her a hypocrite but it was never about morals for Rose and Finn imo. It was about what made two people fight for a cause and how these reasons can change. In the scope of Finn's character arc spanning the ST, it just expands it as he grows the number of people he cares about from caring about himself (TFA) to caring about one person (TLJ) to caring about a cause (End of TLJ/ROS). Rose just serves as a foil to this development to show that it can happen in other ways too.
Soooo only hundreds of millions in box office profit plus several hundred million more in merchandising. Not sure what your point was but
You really don't think they expected their grand finale to do better than the "reviled" predecessor?
Good one
If JJ isn't in director jail for the rest his life after this shitshow, I am going to be livid.
you are the one that seems to struggle with that actually, considering you called his opinion "garbage". Its fucking hilarious tho, because canto bight is the one aspect of the movie that even TLJ fans tend to agree is generally weak.
Everything about TROS is a clusterfuck. I'm baffled that this movie turned out the way it did. Hopefully we eventually get a deep dive into how this mess made it off the cutting room floor.
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it's not. because i don't care if people think my opinion is garbage and i don't care about being right unlike y'all lol. tend to agree is also weasely as fuck. stop trying claim authority on subjectivity and appealing to whatever authority you want. you're gonna be linking youtube vids next. it ain't happening. y'all keep doing it.. and it's hilarious. keep fighting that fight.
plenty of people don't mind it. do you still not get it?
For some reason, I had assumed based off of absolutely nothing that Wookiepedia would be like the Transformer wiki, which has stuff like this:
tfwiki.net
Apparently I was wrong about that.
Female Transformer - Transformers Wiki
Apparently I was wrong about that.
I thought Rose was fine but she was a one movie side character relegated to the background in a subsequent movie, which is a star wars tradition.
I mean fuck the movie was already too overstuffed with plot points and mcguffin chases for the 3 main characters, having another would just be overkill.
I mean fuck the movie was already too overstuffed with plot points and mcguffin chases for the 3 main characters, having another would just be overkill.
Sigh.. you saw the original post, didn't you? It was 100 percent my mistake for not doing the research, and I caught it almost immediately. I make no defense, and I axed the offending portion immediately, so I'd rather not derail the thread over my fuck up.
I'm sure they expect that and I'm sure their expectations will be met but that was never my point. I only said that they're going to care more about audience reception to the movie than to critics, because it's the audiences who are spending money on it.
She had so little time it was really noticeable. Didn't expect a lot of time given I expected Abrams to stick to his three characters again...but man... didn't expect almost zero.
Gotta love the "canto was pointless" takes. Because yeah when a quest ends in failure, that makes it pointless! Not like learning from failure was the message of the fuckin movie.
Oh shit, wait, so ESB was pointless in its entirety! They do nothing but fail that entire movie. They lose their base. Han and Leia get captured after running half the movie. Luke abandons his training and gets his ass beat. POINTLESS!
Dudes a white man. Even if it was a total bomb he would still fail upward.
Oh shit, wait, so ESB was pointless in its entirety! They do nothing but fail that entire movie. They lose their base. Han and Leia get captured after running half the movie. Luke abandons his training and gets his ass beat. POINTLESS!
Dudes a white man. Even if it was a total bomb he would still fail upward.
Reception is the lowest Cinemascore of the franchise.
Box Office is not showing big changes from the previous film despite being the "climatic" Grand Finale.
There's a problem. Even if the movie is being successful by regular metrics. So was TLJ. This movie is far from a home run
For some reason, I had assumed based off of absolutely nothing that Wookiepedia would be like the Transformer wiki, which has stuff like this:
Female Transformer - Transformers Wiki
Apparently I was wrong about that.
That's because there is pretty much no other fan wiki on the planet like the Transformers wiki. Almost all of them are written as blandly as possible.
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Uh, about that... he's actually Jewish. Like I said, I didn't do the research, and I posted in haste. Ignore that portion of my post that you saw. It's indefensible, which is why I axed it.
I know they're maligned here now, and I don't wish to relitigate the entirety of their Star Wars pontificating, but I do think one of the more trenchant points Red Letter Media made at some point is that, at its root, Star Wars is a very small universe, in its original incarnation. There have been various expanded universe works, but in terms of actual mass canon, it seems unable to really accommodate expansions of its universe beyond that introduced in the original trilogy (and even then, the third had to reuse a daemon weapon from the first movie).
I'm not really a fan of the franchise, but to the extent I find some appeal to it (and I do, even if not much), it's how the original movies use the setting more as a texture for subliminally familiar storytelling tropes. Puts its basic plot and characters into a straight up fantasy setting, and it'd be a predictable chore to sit through. Put it into a science-fiction setting, however, and something about them comes alive again, if only for a viewing or two for me personally. Any prequel or sequel made decades later is inherently cashing in on the iconography of the originals, and it's basically the nature of capitalism that any kind of finer point of why some piece of art works, like reinvigorating classic fantasy tropes with the freedom science fiction allows in broadening the visual palette, is pushed aside for brandable, memeable, concrete and discrete components. So there is a tension between the need to use Star Wars-y surface aesthetics and the reality that storytelling too dissimilar from that in the original movies somehow makes the work alienatingly out of sync with what people have in their minds about what the franchise is.
This is one reason I would probably be a bit of a prequel apologist if you really pressed me, in that I admire Lucas's total willingness to push through that dissonance and discomfort and make the new trilogy be about how the big bad from the original trilogy was actually a byproduct of the failure of established institutions to handle crisis. He sold his soul, but there was still a little glimpse of the younger, ambitious artist he once was in there. Disney very clearly did not have any larger vision for what they wanted their movies to be, from a storytelling perspective, and the one guy they got who did overplayed his hand and pissed large swaths of the existing fans off and pushed Disney to go so far in the other direction on the next one that it turned out a focus-grouped nightmare.
Rose seems, unfortunately, to be a casualty of Rian Johnson making a clunky but sincere effort to subvert the logic of the original films, and then Disney overcorrecting. A shame for the actress, for sure, after all she had to deal with, but it does demonstrate aptly what a thankless task making a new Star Wars movie really is.
I'm not really a fan of the franchise, but to the extent I find some appeal to it (and I do, even if not much), it's how the original movies use the setting more as a texture for subliminally familiar storytelling tropes. Puts its basic plot and characters into a straight up fantasy setting, and it'd be a predictable chore to sit through. Put it into a science-fiction setting, however, and something about them comes alive again, if only for a viewing or two for me personally. Any prequel or sequel made decades later is inherently cashing in on the iconography of the originals, and it's basically the nature of capitalism that any kind of finer point of why some piece of art works, like reinvigorating classic fantasy tropes with the freedom science fiction allows in broadening the visual palette, is pushed aside for brandable, memeable, concrete and discrete components. So there is a tension between the need to use Star Wars-y surface aesthetics and the reality that storytelling too dissimilar from that in the original movies somehow makes the work alienatingly out of sync with what people have in their minds about what the franchise is.
This is one reason I would probably be a bit of a prequel apologist if you really pressed me, in that I admire Lucas's total willingness to push through that dissonance and discomfort and make the new trilogy be about how the big bad from the original trilogy was actually a byproduct of the failure of established institutions to handle crisis. He sold his soul, but there was still a little glimpse of the younger, ambitious artist he once was in there. Disney very clearly did not have any larger vision for what they wanted their movies to be, from a storytelling perspective, and the one guy they got who did overplayed his hand and pissed large swaths of the existing fans off and pushed Disney to go so far in the other direction on the next one that it turned out a focus-grouped nightmare.
Rose seems, unfortunately, to be a casualty of Rian Johnson making a clunky but sincere effort to subvert the logic of the original films, and then Disney overcorrecting. A shame for the actress, for sure, after all she had to deal with, but it does demonstrate aptly what a thankless task making a new Star Wars movie really is.
Cool actress that had to play a shitty charachter that many of the audience didn't found interesting....so she got less airtime in the sequel.
I know people would have preferred JJ to make some big ass political statement by having her being much more prominent....but considering what his goals and task was with finishing the whole saga and fulfilling dreams of the main actors having more scenes together this was always going to be a tough act.
I know people would have preferred JJ to make some big ass political statement by having her being much more prominent....but considering what his goals and task was with finishing the whole saga and fulfilling dreams of the main actors having more scenes together this was always going to be a tough act.
Then let me explain. Her role was very purposeful in that movie, and TROS on the other hand fucks off and does its own shitty thing. She's very much a product of The Last Jedi and what it was trying to accomplish, so naturally she would be sidelined. She was never created to be a Hallmark character that would go on for an obnoxious amount of movies like C-3P0