Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order |OT| Respawn of the Jedi

Deleted member 57990 · Nov 15, 2019

Some of the reviews (especially Eurogamer's) seriously deflated my hype for this, but I'm a sucker for anything Star Wars so I bought it anyway. Can't pass up the first (and only) single player-only Star Wars game of the generation.

So far, I like it! Looks and sounds authentically Star Wars (the music in particular is an impressive John Williams pastiche). I'm not the worlds biggest Dark Souls fan (played many, finished none), so I'm glad it eases you in gently.

giallo · Nov 15, 2019

Spehornoob said:
How far in are you? I'm finding the performance to be a lot better after getting out of the dreadful first planet.

Oh, that's reassuring then. I just finished the optional frog boss, and made it back to the ship after visiting the Jedi tower thingy.

7threst · Nov 15, 2019

Lol froggie boss kicking my ass. Jeez.

BeeDog · Nov 15, 2019

Quite liking the game so far (at early Zeffo). Can't seem to nail the parry window though, feel like the wind up/attack animation is sort of arbitrary compared to something like Sekiro. This game really reminds me of the latest Tomb Raider in structure, in the way the exploration/pathing is done, and the general feel of the gameplay.

Spehornoob · Nov 15, 2019

giallo said:
Oh, that's reassuring then. I just finished the optional frog boss, and made it back to the ship after visiting the Jedi tower thingy.

I mean it's still not perfect by any stretch, but the first planet was a damn slideshow half the time for me.

Sky87 · Nov 15, 2019

7threst said:
Lol froggie boss kicking my ass. Jeez.

The clue is to dodge him, not jump (don't press A if you're on Xbox). That and learn the timing of his attack, one of his red-glowing moves are slightly delayed which may mess you up a few times.

giallo · Nov 15, 2019

Spehornoob said:
I mean it's still not perfect by any stretch, but the first planet was a damn slideshow half the time for me.

Me too. I can suffer through frame-pacing issues and mild stutter without much issue, but that first planet was rough. As long as it gets better than that, I should be fine.

Loanshark · Nov 15, 2019

Is this game Force Unleashed tier or better? Cause i quite liked Force Unleashed. Also, for people who enjoy higher difficulties, is the game challenging in a satisfying way or in a frustrating way, or maybe not challenging at all?

Ferrs · Nov 15, 2019

I dunno how people can feel the start of the game was the best when it's the same set piece I have played in 20 games before, incredibly boring, spectacle aside. I feel like game is getting better at the second planet (first was kind of a mess). Enjoying this area so far.

JediTimeBoy · Nov 15, 2019

So, haven't played yet today, but thinking back to last night, am I right in remembering that if you Force Slow an enemy, then hit them, it cancels the Force Slow (or lowers it's duration) on certain enemies? Or did I imagine that?

Barneystuta · Nov 15, 2019

Huge Respawn fan here, just about to jump in.

May the force be with me.

DrewFu · Nov 15, 2019

The amount of exploration in this is almost overwhelming. I'm loving it.

Klyka · Nov 15, 2019

JediTimeBoy said:
So, haven't played yet today, but thinking back to last night, am I right in remembering that if you Force Slow an enemy, then hit them, it cancels the Force Slow (or lowers it's duration) on certain enemies? Or did I imagine that?

If you hit a slowed enemy they are immediately unslowed

Team_Feisar · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Is this game Force Unleashed tier or better? Cause i quite liked Force Unleashed. Also, for people who enjoy higher difficulties, is the game challenging in a satisfying way or in a frustrating way, or maybe not challenging at all?

Way better than TFU in my opinion. The combat is way more engaging and fun, even though it's a tad janky and imprecise - especially when compared to the soulsbornesekiro series (a comparison that the game openly seeks out, so that's on them).
I feel like a lot of the negative aspects of the combat system are more obvious if you are a souls Veteran.

Kolya · Nov 15, 2019

JediTimeBoy said:
So, haven't played yet today, but thinking back to last night, am I right in remembering that if you Force Slow an enemy, then hit them, it cancels the Force Slow (or lowers it's duration) on certain enemies? Or did I imagine that?

It cancels it.

Phoenixazure · Nov 15, 2019

Ok this game is real pretty

Loanshark · Nov 15, 2019

Flousn said:
Way better than TFU in my opinion. The combat is way more engaging and fun, even though it's a tad janky and imprecise - especially when compared to the soulsbornesekiro series (a comparison that the game openly seeks out, so that's on them).
I feel like a lot of the negative aspects of the combat system are more obvious if you are a souls Veteran.

Sounds good. Also, im not a Souls veteran, I guess that helps as well then.

Gen X · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Is this game Force Unleashed tier or better? Cause i quite liked Force Unleashed. Also, for people who enjoy higher difficulties, is the game challenging in a satisfying way or in a frustrating way, or maybe not challenging at all?

Only frustrating in the loading sense. On the Pro a 20 second load time after a death seemed common in the opening level (playing on Grand Master currently). Will report back once I've progressed a bit further into the story.

Spehornoob · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Is this game Force Unleashed tier or better? Cause i quite liked Force Unleashed. Also, for people who enjoy higher difficulties, is the game challenging in a satisfying way or in a frustrating way, or maybe not challenging at all?

This all kind of depends on your perspective. It's a different beast altogether than TFU. TFU was basically a character action game that made you feel like an insanely powerful badass. This is a more exploration heavy game with more thoughtful and deliberate combat. Very Sekiro-like, if you're familar.

In terms of difficulty, there are four setttings so you should be able to find something to suit your style. Onthe high difficulty, you can get killed in just a couple hits, but enemies don't tend to have that much life either. So it depends on if that's your kind of thing or not.

TrubbleFrog · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Is this game Force Unleashed tier or better? Cause i quite liked Force Unleashed. Also, for people who enjoy higher difficulties, is the game challenging in a satisfying way or in a frustrating way, or maybe not challenging at all?

If you like Star Wars and are capable of playing soulsborne games, you'll have a good time. I consider myself less-than-stellar at Dark Souls and I feel like I'm having a difficult, but fair time on bosses on the 3/4 hardest difficulty.

The force powers don't seem to be at the scale of Force Unleashed (yet), but they do feel good relative to the gameplay.

JediTimeBoy said:
So, haven't played yet today, but thinking back to last night, am I right in remembering that if you Force Slow an enemy, then hit them, it cancels the Force Slow (or lowers it's duration) on certain enemies? Or did I imagine that?

That's been my experience so far as well.

Team_Feisar · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Sounds good. Also, im not a Souls veteran, I guess that helps as well then.

I can really recommend it to everybody that likes Star Wars. You won't get a TFU like power fantasy though!

Dphex · Nov 15, 2019

BeeDog said:
Quite liking the game so far (at early Zeffo). Can't seem to nail the parry window though, feel like the wind up/attack animation is sort of arbitrary compared to something like Sekiro. This game really reminds me of the latest Tomb Raider in structure, in the way the exploration/pathing is done, and the general feel of the gameplay.

yeah, it is straight up lifted from Tomb Raider

also, i can´t understand the "Metroidvania" comparisons at all..

is Rise of the Tomb Raider also a Metroidvania only because you get 2 or 3 powers that you can use somewhere? Jedi is not a Metroidvania at all, it has a few moments where you return to a planet to go another way with a power you hadn´t before(which are marked on the map too!) and the rest is completely optional and leads mostly to cosmetics...the Metroidvania inspiration is super light at best and the term is misused in this case.

JediTimeBoy · Nov 15, 2019

Klyka said:
If you hit a slowed enemy they are immediately unslowed

Kolya said:
It cancels it.

vitaminwateryum said:
That's been my experience so far as well.

Thanks.

JustinBB7 · Nov 15, 2019

For people struggling on first optional boss:

I see people doing him at the start from the side entrance. Go to the main mission first and on the way back you can jump ontop of him and do massive damage to start off with. And you'll have a level or 2 more and I think healing as well. Also you can block/parry the normal attacks

Just noticed this with streamers doing this a lot.

lvl 99 Pixel · Nov 15, 2019

Phoenixazure said:
Ok this game is real pretty

Looks like concept art

Team_Feisar · Nov 15, 2019

Spehornoob said:
How far in are you? I'm finding the performance to be a lot better after getting out of the dreadful first planet.

The "Inquisitors" are kind of a black ops unit specialized in hunting Jedi that are not exactly important enough for Vader to hunt personally. They are former Jedi themselves and play a rather large role in the new EU.
They were founded by Sheev and later given to Vader, who hated and disrespected them at first but later came to tolerate them and use them as his enforcers basically.

Deleted member 13101 · Nov 15, 2019

giallo said:
As I much as I love the game, I've put it down for now in hopes that a big patch drops in the next week or so. The performance issues on the base PS4 are just too much for me, and I don't want them to ruin an amazing game.

This is kinda where I am on this, I'm considering going back to delivering packages until this is fixed. How was this play-tested?

spacer · Nov 15, 2019

Well I tried renting the game at a Redbox, but the stupid thing kept saying my card "wasn't authorized for games." Whatever the fuck that means. I guess I'm not playing it any time soon. Lame.

texhnolyze · Nov 15, 2019

Can I go back to the Windswept Ruins? The one with the balls and destructible walls.

I missed a few things and the elevator just boosted me up to the surface.

JustinBB7 said:
For people struggling on first optional boss:

I see people doing him at the start from the side entrance. Go to the main mission first and on the way back you can jump ontop of him and do massive damage to start off with. And you'll have a level or 2 more and I think healing as well. Also you can block/parry the normal attacks

Just noticed this with streamers doing this a lot.

It becomes easy if you fight it on your way back to the ship. You have healings and other skills. On the first encounter it's almost impossible, but I think it should be doable.

Seganomics · Nov 15, 2019

texhnolyze said:
Can I go back to the Windswept Ruins? The one with the balls and destructible walls.

I missed a few things and the elevator just boosted me up to the surface.

Yes

Sanctuary · Nov 15, 2019

7threst said:
Lol froggie boss kicking my ass. Jeez.

It's optional to take it on from the very start. It's not worth it other than bragging rights. Just finish the first area and you'll get something that will make it much easier on your way back to it.

Sky87 said:
The clue is to dodge him, not jump (don't press A if you're on Xbox). That and learn the timing of his attack, one of his red-glowing moves are slightly delayed which may mess you up a few times.

The camera is the main issue, and the other is the animations, or lack thereof. It kind of just rocket propels itself into you nearly instantly at times. Pray if it knocks you into a wall while you're trying to recover during a double attack...

JustinBB7 said:
Just noticed this with streamers doing this a lot.

I actually noticed you could even do that after already killing it.

Dphex said:
yeah, it is straight up lifted from Tomb Raider

also, i can´t understand the "Metroidvania" comparisons at all..

is Rise of the Tomb Raider also a Metroidvania only because you get 2 or 3 powers that you can use somewhere? Jedi is not a Metroidvania at all, it has a few moments where you return to a planet to go another way with a power you hadn´t before(which are marked on the map too!) and the rest is completely optional and leads mostly to cosmetics...the Metroidvania inspiration is super light at best and the term is misused in this case.

Yeah, it's not really a Metroidvania in the sense that you actually are rewarded for backtracking. Unless cosmetics are what you are longing for 95% of the time...

texhnolyze · Nov 15, 2019

Seganomics said:
Yes

Through the front entrance or what? That elevator won't move if I access it from there.

ket · Nov 15, 2019

Wonderment said:
This is kinda where I am on this, I'm considering going back to delivering packages until this is fixed. How was this play-tested?

it probably was but they likely had to put out the game by deadline and decided to work on a patch to fix it later.

TheYanger · Nov 15, 2019

I haven't had any real performance issues on X in non-performance mode. Performance mode felt inconsistent and the visual clarity was WAY lower thoough, I prefer the solid 30.

Ashura T. Hedgehog · Nov 15, 2019

These PS2 checkpoints are annoying.

Also, how do you defeat those queefs with the purple electric blades?

Loanshark · Nov 15, 2019

Gen X said:
Only frustrating in the loading sense. On the Pro a 20 second load time after a death seemed common in the opening level (playing on Grand Master currently). Will report back once I've progressed a bit further into the story.

Ah, looking forward to hearing more then!

Spehornoob said:
This all kind of depends on your perspective. It's a different beast altogether than TFU. TFU was basically a character action game that made you feel like an insanely powerful badass. This is a more exploration heavy game with more thoughtful and deliberate combat. Very Sekiro-like, if you're familar.

In terms of difficulty, there are four setttings so you should be able to find something to suit your style. Onthe high difficulty, you can get killed in just a couple hits, but enemies don't tend to have that much life either. So it depends on if that's your kind of thing or not.

Havent played much of BB/DS/Sekiro, but I usually choose higher difficulties in third person combat heavy games, and enjoy the challenge. My worry with this game would be that you would have to resort to cheesy tactics in order to make it through higher difficulties, and therefore compromise on what makes jedi's cool in the first place. I would like to rely more on parrying and counter attacks as oppossed to spam rolling, but maybe the counter timing windows are so small on the higher difficulties and enemy attacks so damaging that it becomes suboptimal to play that way, which would suck. It would be super unbecoming for a Jedi knight to roll around non stop, trying to avoid attacks, or fleeing from combat every other sec to regen or something like that.

Monster Zero · Nov 15, 2019

The space frog is placed there to teach you a Jedi lesson.

lvl 99 Pixel · Nov 15, 2019

Any patches yet? all the crashes really put me off continuing

Ferrs · Nov 15, 2019

Loanshark said:
Ah, looking forward to hearing more then!

Havent played much of BB/DS/Sekiro, but I usually choose higher difficulties in third person combat heavy games, and enjoy the challenge. My worry with this game would be that you would have to resort to cheesy tactics in order to make it through higher difficulties, and therefore compromise on what makes jedi's cool in the first place. I would like to rely more on parrying and counter attacks as oppossed to spam rolling, but maybe the counter timing windows are so small on the higher difficulties and enemy attacks so damaging that it becomse suboptimal to play that way, which would suck. It would be super unbecoming for a Jedi knight to roll around non stop, trying to avoid attacks, or fleeing from combat every other sec to regen or something like that.

The counter timing is super lenient even on Jedi Master IMO, only Grandmaster requires some more precise timing, more close to Sekiro.

MrS · Nov 15, 2019

I'm surprised by the all the negative comments in here. Is it that bad? Gonna have to hold off on picking it up I think.

Deleted member 11069 · Nov 15, 2019

Caved and got Origin Premiere for this.
Had planned to play this in 3 weeks or when the wife and kids are out for a night BUT WHAT THE HECK.
You are only young once!

Imur · Nov 15, 2019

Me after the Tutorial and first Planet: That's a nice game, I kinda like it but it's not too great.

Me after the second Planet: OMG I didn't have this kind of fun since Sands of Time, this will be a tough fight with Sekiro for GotY.

Loanshark · Nov 15, 2019

Ferrs said:
The counter timing is super lenient even on Jedi Master IMO, only Grandmaster requires some more precise timing, more close to Sekiro.

Thats encouraging!

texhnolyze · Nov 15, 2019

lvl 99 Pixel said:
Any patches yet? all the crashes really put me off continuing

What crash? I've never had one on PC (Steam). I'm only 6 hours in though.

Imur said:
Me after the Tutorial and first Planet: That's a nice game, I kinda like it!

Me after the second Planet: OMG I didn't have this kind of fun since Sands of Time, this will be a tough fight with Sekiro for GotY.

Yup, this is definitely a GOTY contender for me too.

Chance Hale · Nov 15, 2019

Really a bummer this doesn't have dismemberment for stormtroopers, making the close up executions and combat against them kind of weightless and silly. Both Force Unleashed games had it *shrug*

Hell Last Jedi had tons of it too.

Team_Feisar · Nov 15, 2019

MrS said:
I'm surprised by the all the negative responses in here. Is it that bad? Gonna have to hold off on picking it up I think.

It's good. It has a certain jank to its combat but honestly, it's mostly obvious in direct comparison to souls/sekiro/bloodborne.
That doesn't mean the problems with the combat aren't there, but if you are not experienced with souls games as a direct comparison, you would probably shrug them off more easily and not really think about it.

Ellite25 · Nov 15, 2019

What's the point of having to press L2 to climb? It seems totally unnecessary.

MrS · Nov 15, 2019

Flousn said:
It's good. It has a certain jank to its combat but honestly, it's mostly obvious in direct comparison to souls/sekiro/bloodborne.
That doesn't mean the problems with the combat aren't there, but if you are not experienced with souls games as a direct comparison, you would probably shrug them off more easily and not really think about it.

Soulskiroborne combat has truly ruined the combat in other games for us all

7threst · Nov 15, 2019

Sanctuary said:
The camera is the main issue, and the other is the animations, or lack thereof. It kind of just rocket propels itself into you nearly instantly at times. Pray if it knocks you into a wall while you're trying to recover during a double attack...

Yeah that's actually happening to me constantly. Then even dodging won't help. But I killed it eventually.

JigglesBunny · Nov 15, 2019

The parry window is minuscule and the load times after death are insanely long - not a great combination.

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