And now he made him find his place among other freed ... stormtroopers.
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Star Wars EP.9 Story Rumor/Leak So Far (Spoilers obviously) (Now with poll!)
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And now he made him find his place among other freed ... stormtroopers.
Snoke nonchalantly zapping Kylo was "cooler" than any of the goofy theatrics Sheev performed in RotS.
As for the bolded, I disagree.
And recruit all those staff who have been sat waiting all that time.
The film literally goes from "A long time ago..." to Palpatine offering Ben an Empire for killing Rey in the span of like, 7 minutes?
I would say that the movie was soured by an insecure and disrespectful decision to be actively hostile towards the preceding installment in a desperate attempt to please everyone.
I have a feeling Matt Smith was going to play a de-aged Palpatine or something to fight Ben and Rey but then that idea got scrapped
remember how the most well known black character in star wars argued about not freeing droids and then enslaved his robot "friend" to his space ship
oh after this shit really settle down im def making a thread about just how Star Wars fumbled the SHIT out of the diversity in these movies
7 minutes? After 7 minutes Indiana Jones was on the second planet already I think.
"Everything" is hyperbole to say she exceeds at most things and makes for a very flat character arc.
I think the difference is he was emperor then with all the resources of the empire at his disposal, not half dead, missing in action for decades with no one aware of his presence, hiding in the outskirts of space like he is here.
Those Indiana Jones sound cues bugged the SHIT out of me.
Even in TFA, "your name if Finn" moment.
Seriously how hard could it be to have Boyega come up with "Finn" himself
Seriously how hard could it be to have Boyega come up with "Finn" himself
Yeah me too.
I immediately asked myself where he got the resources and industry needed to build and maintain a fleet like that.
A Star Destroyer has a crew size of about 37k. That's 18.5 million people just to operate the ships, add ~5 million Storm troopers, plus people operating the ship yards and all supplying industries. This planet is highly advanced, with maybe the biggest industry in the galaxy.
He did all that in just ~30 years. That's about 16 ships per year. Plus two generation of officers and troops. Damn impressive.
I kept telling them that this new cannon was going to Ultimate be the Ultimate Universe to the EUs 616. :P
This is something that had been set up since TLJ (it's simply that TLJ didn't set it up very well). Things like Rey going 'straight to the darkside' in the cave, as well as her yelling in raw agression during the duel in Snokes throne room. This is one thing that TROS does pick up from TLJ. It's not out of nowhere, and likely was a planned beat for the middle chapter.
At the time, many people clamoured about how much they loved that part and dismissed it as being indicative of anything (even giving into agression and anger as a mechanism for falling to the DarkSide is a core element of Star Wars, but oh well)
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Finn was also traumatized by death as a Stormtrooper but once he joins the Resistance has no problem shooting at them willy nilly.
Per Wookiepedia, there were only 30 Star Destroyers at Endor.
So Palpatine drained the Empire's resources to build the largest fleet of all time to park it in the middle of nowhere, wait for the Empire to collapse and reform, and be inherited either by the grandson of his treacherous Apprentice or his own
I don't buy it. From what we know of Trevorrow's version, Palpatine wasn't in the story and Rey's parentage wasn't getting reconned. Rian killed off JJ's Emperor stand-in so JJ just brought back the Emperor himself. Then he connected her to Rey because the story needed a dozen plot twists for some reason.
You know what would have made the final third instantly better for me?
Instead of thousands of Rebel / Friend ships Vs fricking hundreds of Star Destroyers? Have like four Star Destroyers Vs a dozen ships. Give the things a sense of danger. Menace. The whole cannon fodder approach is dumb and it felt absolutely weightless.
The mantra of less is more applies throughout coupled with the pacing. The first 10 minutes of Ben meeting Palps and then the Falcon lightspeeding through like 7 locales was barmy and not in a good way. The planet section where Poe meets his friend and they go to rewire C3PO could have been easily cut. The device to find the location of the Wayfinder when Rey was stood on the shore near Death Star II was beyond stupid - line it up Goonies style to some rocks and the outline of the DS and it points to a vague section of the crashed wreckage in high seas?
The interplay between Driver and Ridley was a shining light and they could have done with more breathing room. I'm glad Poe and Finn got to spar a bit more and their chemistry was good but some of the dialogue in those scenes....woof. Leia was slotted in well enough from the footage they had.
As mentioned before Hamill's tone seemed...off and I can't place my finger on why. I don't necessarily like the angle they took with him in TLJ but his performance at least felt focused. Here, it didn't
Instead of thousands of Rebel / Friend ships Vs fricking hundreds of Star Destroyers? Have like four Star Destroyers Vs a dozen ships. Give the things a sense of danger. Menace. The whole cannon fodder approach is dumb and it felt absolutely weightless.
The mantra of less is more applies throughout coupled with the pacing. The first 10 minutes of Ben meeting Palps and then the Falcon lightspeeding through like 7 locales was barmy and not in a good way. The planet section where Poe meets his friend and they go to rewire C3PO could have been easily cut. The device to find the location of the Wayfinder when Rey was stood on the shore near Death Star II was beyond stupid - line it up Goonies style to some rocks and the outline of the DS and it points to a vague section of the crashed wreckage in high seas?
The interplay between Driver and Ridley was a shining light and they could have done with more breathing room. I'm glad Poe and Finn got to spar a bit more and their chemistry was good but some of the dialogue in those scenes....woof. Leia was slotted in well enough from the footage they had.
As mentioned before Hamill's tone seemed...off and I can't place my finger on why. I don't necessarily like the angle they took with him in TLJ but his performance at least felt focused. Here, it didn't
something something dark side clouds judgement, hard to see future something something
I can't wait until TROS is out on blu-ray so people can make edits and replace Palpatine's voice with clips from Revenge of the Sith...
No idea, I'm not sitting there counting words. All I can say is that Ray and Kylo are the lead characters, everything evolves around them.
He got the most laughs at my screening. Him showing up at the end in the pilots seat with Poe's friend was totally some B movie comedy schlock though lmao. But it worked. It got a laugh.
It's really sad that after all these years, the final film in the story is the film equivalent of SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING DARK SIDE from goddamn Family Guy.
Man Poe is such waste of Oscar Isaac. This film should have been him being the leader of resistance as it was logical progression from TFA and TLJ. He should been using a communication device to show he organising the fleet have Lando and Wedge as voice lines on the communicator then at end he brings in the fleet with Wedge and Lando only appears at end during the party. Could even have some jokes about Poe owing Lando one then at party end Lando walks away with Poe saying "now about that favour". Have Wedge as Poes flight instructor give these cameos some reason to exist and for Poe to be relevant
Opinions I guess, but I disliked that scene. The whole plot with the comm dish was a bit meh tbh.
Exposition Bot got a few laughs in my showing. Babu got a LOT more.
Every single scene with Babu Frik had my screening laughing their asses off.
He legit stole the show, his drunk-ass voice was hilarious. People cheered more when he appeared during the final battle alive than in any other scene.
❤️At least the former stormtroopers charge against the imperial destroyer was really cool:
Nah, that's another JJ course correction. Kylo had lost every single fight until that moment, so JJ changed it.
Which is fine, if they make sense. I guess it was just a middle finger to Johnson about Ray being a nobody.
Even worse is the moment when she adopts the name Skywalker for herself. Luke & Leia were of course present and agreed. That scene was terrible.
I'm on the fence when it comes to Palpatine always being the main baddie of the ST. The whole thing smacks of being made up as they've gone along.
I wouldn't waste your time theorising over characters and back stories as it's clear the writing teams just pull it out of their arse.
One hundred percent this. The only reason palatine is back is because snoke died without a warning in episode 8.
I guess then it comes across as even more unbelievable that he was mounting two independent seperate sets of forces without them knowing about each other (or at least one faction not knowing). First order in itself was a step too far for me but an even larger Final order? All in secrecy? It's still not comparable to pulling that off while emperor (and even that was pushing it). This is two steps beyond that.
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