You're going to get an Inception episode with 20+ more shots of young Picard reaching out for his mother and you're going to like it.
Michael Chabon loves golems.People seem to forget he's not exactly in a android body. He's in a "golem" they even stated last season it would only give him as many years as he would have had without his brain condition.
The implication has always been that its basically a Synthezoid, like Vision. He has organs, blood, etc. They are just synthetic instead of organic.
It is often forgotten that Data did have to breathe, had a circulatory system, had hair that grew, etc. It wasn't until the movies that they started treating him like he was indestructible.
Also the doctor did call out that there was something off about his physiology.
I understand what the script says happens, I think its very poorly written. Introducing a brain condition in season 1 that's going to kill him so that at the end of the season it can get cured by downloading his brain into a new body that is identical to his old body in every respect except his brain isn't sick anymore is just...pointless? Maybe it works if the arc through that season of Picard giving up on life is stronger, but it's not, so it feels like another cool idea thrown at the wall that the writers have no interest in actually using. They just have plot ideas that they like, and whenever it runs into something they did previously they just sort of run roughshod over their own work to "keep the story moving"People seem to forget he's not exactly in a android body. He's in a "golem" they even stated last season it would only give him as many years as he would have had without his brain condition.
The implication has always been that its basically a Synthezoid, like Vision. He has organs, blood, etc. They are just synthetic instead of organic.
It is often forgotten that Data did have to breathe, had a circulatory system, had hair that grew, etc. It wasn't until the movies that they started treating him like he was indestructible.
Also the doctor did call out that there was something off about his physiology.
It is often forgotten that Data did have to breathe, had a circulatory system, had hair that grew, etc. It wasn't until the movies that they started treating him like he was indestructible.
I understand what the script says happens, I think its very poorly written. Introducing a brain condition in season 1 that's going to kill him
I took the point of the golem body to be a "Picard couldn't save Data, Picard protects Data's legacy, Data's legacy saves Picard" sort of thing. It also allowed them to give (part of) Data a much more dignified send-off than he got in Nemesis, with that beautiful scene of him being switched off for the final time, and I personally will forgive any number of wonky plot turns for a moment like that.
You realize that was a key plot of All Good Things, the series finale of TNG right?
Picard continues that storyline.
Irumodic Syndrome
Irumodic Syndrome was a degenerative neurological disorder that caused deterioration of the synaptic pathways. The condition caused confusion, delusions, and eventually death. It could take several years to develop and several more before it proved deadly. The treatment of choice in 2370 was...memory-alpha.fandom.com
I took the point of the golem body to be a "Picard couldn't save Data, Picard protects Data's legacy, Data's legacy saves Picard" sort of thing. It also allowed them to give (part of) Data a much more dignified send-off than he got in Nemesis, with that beautiful scene of him being switched off for the final time, and I personally will forgive any number of wonky plot turns for a moment like that.
I really, really…and I mean REALLY…hope that they're not intending to bring back Data again. I could see them doing some sort of mind meld/memory shenanigans to give us a scene between Geordi and Data that should have happened in Season 1, but my god. If next season is Star Trek: Picard III: The Search for Data, I might just turn over my coffee table, which would be a big mess, because there is a lot of junk on it.You think that's how they'll bring Data back in season 3? Something to do with pieces of data being in Picards synth body?
That was actually one of the scenes I was thinking about when I wrote my post. Data even points out that he was lucky where he got hit the other wise it would have damaged him more and potentially killed him.
Yeah, I don't understand why everyone had to be there either. You had a scene of Seven having a good time at the party, Raffi having another breakdown, and Juranti making out with Rios... but the three of them literally did nothing once they got inside.It really is galling how much time this show wastes on extremely frivolous, incoherent scenes. Like what the fuck was that whole party infiltration stuff.
And then for it all to culminate with Picard imparting the wisdom of... HEY JUST HANG IN THERE, RENEE!! THE LIGHT!! LOOK AT THE LIGHT!!!
It's just all so trite.
Tbh it's been weak since the end of the first episode of this season with him hearing that line from the Queen. As others have said, it feels like the writers are forcing their way to their plot mechanics and it makes it less enjoyable as a whole. Like the show is trying too hard with the messages it's trying to send. Like a modern Willie Wonks and The Chocolate Factory. Very on the nose with everything.It really is galling how much time this show wastes on extremely frivolous, incoherent scenes. Like what the fuck was that whole party infiltration stuff.
And then for it all to culminate with Picard imparting the wisdom of... HEY JUST HANG IN THERE, RENEE!! THE LIGHT!! LOOK AT THE LIGHT!!!
It's just all so trite.
You realize that was a key plot of All Good Things, the series finale of TNG right?
Picard continues that storyline.
Irumodic Syndrome
Irumodic Syndrome was a degenerative neurological disorder that caused deterioration of the synaptic pathways. The condition caused confusion, delusions, and eventually death. It could take several years to develop and several more before it proved deadly. The treatment of choice in 2370 was...memory-alpha.fandom.com
The fetishization of the past is really strange considering he was about to be deported to Mexico or otherwise disappeared by racist cops.
It would be as if they played the DS9 episode with Benny Russell straight and it was about how a time travelling Sisko fell in love with living in the 50s without any acknowledgement of how shit it was to live in the 50s as a Black man.
Feel like I am the only one enjoying it much more than S1.
It's fun. Nonsense but fun. Somewhat believable even, like classic "we are gonna pull some future bullshit out of thin air" they always did during TNG.
People seem to forget he's not exactly in a android body. He's in a "golem" they even stated last season it would only give him as many years as he would have had without his brain condition.
The implication has always been that its basically a Synthezoid, like Vision. He has organs, blood, etc. They are just synthetic instead of organic.
It is often forgotten that Data did have to breathe, had a circulatory system, had hair that grew, etc. It wasn't until the movies that they started treating him like he was indestructible.
Also the doctor did call out that there was something off about his physiology.
I get it now. These show runners are bigger fans of BSG than ST. It wall makes sense. No wonder jurati is randomly strolling about in a red dress.Well that's unexpected. Never thought I'd see that particular gent in that particular garb.
He can exist for a long time without breathing but in the episode Phantasms he told Dr. Bashir that he does breath and it is part of his systems to require it.I don't think Data has to breath, Geordi makes a joke in the show about Data trying to swim and having to walk at the bottom of whatever body of water they were in to get back to shore.
I think the thing that intrigues me the most is what is going on with Q, and it's been barely touched on the past couple of episodes. Picard talks like Q is a flat out villain, and behind it all…but that just doesn't track with everything we know about Q from TNG. Q took a special interest in humanity and Picard specifically, and if that's changed there needs to be a good reason why. I hope that's the case here…that this is another test, or Q is pushing Picard in some way to either test, or help him fix a mistake.What is the general opinion about the central plot? I feel like it started out so interesting with the confederation and then got dull :\
I am loving the supporting cast btw
That scene was not beautiful in any way. It was disturbing and unethical. Killing your friend because he apparently now believes that in order to be truly 'human' he must die? Even when perhaps one could offer him a new body to exist in and then make the choice himself whether he still wanted to die? Picard didn't even ask any questions it was just straight up 'yeah sure' and then pull the plug. He didn't inquire as to whether he was actually speaking with Data or some other new form of intelligence spawned by the original Data.I took the point of the golem body to be a "Picard couldn't save Data, Picard protects Data's legacy, Data's legacy saves Picard" sort of thing. It also allowed them to give (part of) Data a much more dignified send-off than he got in Nemesis, with that beautiful scene of him being switched off for the final time, and I personally will forgive any number of wonky plot turns for a moment like that.
I think the thing that intrigues me the most is what is going on with Q, and it's been barely touched on the past couple of episodes. Picard talks like Q is a flat out villain, and behind it all…but that just doesn't track with everything we know about Q from TNG. Q took a special interest in humanity and Picard specifically, and if that's changed there needs to be a good reason why. I hope that's the case here…that this is another test, or Q is pushing Picard in some way to either test, or help him fix a mistake.
My theory isMy working theory so far is that
Q actually needs Picard's help to fix something that he can no longer do himself, but has taken Picard's refusal to have anything to do with him personally. Eliminating Renee Picard is, for whatever reason, plan B.
But to be honest it's not a great theory, because it doesn't really explain why any of this happened in the first place and it feels kind of dumb. Which makes sense, because I pulled it out of my ass.
The Confederation time frame is where the show should have stayed.What is the general opinion about the central plot? I feel like it started out so interesting with the confederation and then got dull :\
I am loving the supporting cast btw
In a 10 episode season with 40 min runtimes, it honestly feels like they have enough story to barely fit 2 or 3 hours instead. That... is something.The show has become just as bad as season 1. The first episode or two had a bit more promise, but that has been fully squandered.
I agree the humor has been stripped from their relationship. I think that comes down to the different tones of the 2 shows. TNG was episodic, lighter, and with more legitimate attempts at humor. Picard is a serial with an ongoing storyline about the fate of reality or something equally heavy.I don't like Q in this at all. He is too menacing, too antagonistic. He was that very infrequently; typically he was flippant and irritating and aloof. He has had all the fun stripped out of him. Also I understand Picard wasn't a huge fan of Q, but I got the impression by the end of TNG that he had a grudging respect for Q and understood that he wanted the best for humanity, even if Q may have gone about it in an ambiguous manner. However in this he seems to flat out hate him. Having said that, that is just my take so maybe I was reading their relationship wrong.
I feel there must be more to come on what has pushed Q to this, and also what happened to his powers.I don't like Q in this at all. He is too menacing, too antagonistic. He was that very infrequently; typically he was flippant and irritating and aloof. He has had all the fun stripped out of him. Also I understand Picard wasn't a huge fan of Q, but I got the impression by the end of TNG that he had a grudging respect for Q and understood that he wanted the best for humanity, even if Q may have gone about it in an ambiguous manner. However in this he seems to flat out hate him. Having said that, that is just my take so maybe I was reading their relationship wrong.
Using James Callis is just going to make me remember BSG and how that show was so much better at sci-fi than Picard and how much I would give for Ronald D Moore to be making more Star Trek instead. :D
That's just all modern television. Decompressed storytelling has been the norm for ages.In a 10 episode season with 40 min runtimes, it honestly feels like they have enough story to barely fit 2 or 3 hours instead. That... is something.
To an extent, sure. But there are numerous offerings in modern television with longer season runtimes where the narrative is much better paced and plotted than anything we've come close to seeing in any of the new Star Trek series.That's just all modern television. Decompressed storytelling has been the norm for ages.
We're definitely going to see the Stargazer again in S3.
You don't build a bridge and these corridors for one scene.
I think that's a given. I suspect that we're getting an Enterprise in season 3, if not the Enterprise-E itself.I mean, we're definitely seeing those sets again, yes. But it could be also be as the Stargazer in a spinoff after S3 or slightly redressed for a different ship in S3.
I really can't agree, all serialised television feels like this to me. Honestly, Picard is probably one of the better paced ones and the first two seasons of Discovery are still my gold standard for modern television pacing. Seriously they hit some structural gold there and I'm waiting for someone to refine it.To an extent, sure. But there are numerous offerings in modern television with longer season runtimes where the narrative is much better paced and plotted than anything we've come close to seeing in any of the new Star Trek series.
Yeah I can't agree with...any of that, to be honest.The recurring problem with Discovery and Picard is the reliance on shallow tropisms, cliched dialogue and reductionist exposition that isn't at all intelligent or engaging. The writing on these shows is just downright terrible so when they actually try to flesh out their overarching beats or focus on characterization, it feels flimsy and collapses in on itself.