Yup.
Just absolute madness in this thread. The first episode of DS9 is better than all of Picard.
Are some of you forgetting he's meant to be 94 years old in this series? I'd say a good number of 90+ year old people tend to embrace their eccentric side a bit more as they age.. I can forgive some of the silliness.
The thing that bothered me most about this week's ep was the stupid pop-up ad stuff, that just didn't feel right at all.
It actually does what Picard wants to do better. We understand why Sisko hates Picard and how he can't get over it. We see the tension in the meeting with the two. We don't get that with Raffi and Picard, we just get some cheap flashback and vagueness. I truly think Picard would have been better if they just focused on the 13 years ago plot.
I wonder what being in your 90s is like in Star Trek, where the average lifespan is like 140 or something.Are some of you forgetting he's meant to be 94 years old in this series? I'd say a good number of 90+ year old people tend to embrace their eccentric side a bit more as they age.. I can forgive some of the silliness.
The thing that bothered me most about this week's ep was the stupid pop-up ad stuff, that just didn't feel right at all.
We're watching it :P.I wonder what being in your 90s is like in Star Trek, where the average lifespan is like 140 or something.
The lead-in novel covers their mission together, it's pretty good.
This is dumb. I don't really care about lead in novels. I hate this method of modern storytelling. I am watching Picard. I shouldn't have to follow all the comics and stuff to care about a character that is on a show. ST09 was the same thing. Anytime someone says "but in the comic" means that the show has done a shit job in storytelling.
I don't think the average is that high, I think it's more around 100-120. Exceptional people can live longer but we've only seen two or three instances of people that old.I wonder what being in your 90s is like in Star Trek, where the average lifespan is like 140 or something.
Ron Moore was a staff writer, wouldn't a character he created have becomes Paramount's property?🤔Post Roddenberry but pre rights split there was the Tom Paris/Nick Locarno thing with Voyager, where Paris (who had a similar backstory and was played by the same actor) was possibly created because they didn't want to pay Locarno's creators. That might not be true, but it's a popular theory.
The Orville is a TNG ripoff, it's a fan film with a budget and the serial numbers filed off and Star Trek fans only like it because it's not Star Trek. If it was branded as "Star Trek Orville" everyone and their aunt would complain that it's too much like TNG, doesn't offer anything new, the writers suck because they couldn't come up with an original idea within the vast Star Trek universe etc.I have to agree with this.
Sadly the best Star Trek currently being produced is still The Orville.
What would make them exceptional? Bones was like 130's and he was always just a normal guy.I don't think the average is that high, I think it's more around 100-120. Exceptional people can live longer but we've only seen two or three instances of people that old.
Difference is that people stay in their prime for longer. Picard was still in his prime in his 60s and 70s.
I don't particularly like any of the characters besides Garak, Quark, and Odo. I found the overarching plot dragging. I really hated the ending as well.
Picards in good shape for a 90 year old who's been through the shit he has.
He had his heart stabbed and replaced as a young man, the Borg assimilation, the torture by the Cardassians.
I think only Chief O'Brien has suffered more in the franchise
The difference I see is in the context. Holodeck adventures are recreational, this was a life or death situation for multiple people.
He's the most fun of the crew so far. Obviously hansoloish but the actor is doing a good job giving the character a unique identity.
Man, I really like Discovery and the older shows, loved classic series when was young, but this show is surely BORING, and too much goofiness in this episode, the whole disguise thing....
There really isn't much to the android story right now. She's basically been a macguffin for Picard up to this point, when she's not the object of discussion for the Cruel Intentions twins.Isn't Seven bi now? That's what was implied, right?
The android plotline, even though it's the thrust of the show's main plot, does feel like it gets in the way of the much more interesting backdrop of the Romulan refugee crisis.
I don't particularly like any of the characters besides Garak, Quark, and Odo. I found the overarching plot dragging. I really hated the ending as well.
Well, there was the time Picard and Lilly went into the holodeck and played out a Dixon Hill chapter just to fool and shoot some Borg.
Or the time where Moriarty nearly fucked them all up. Or the time they Insureectionned the people Worfs brother were with.Well, there was the time Picard and Lilly went into the holodeck and played out a Dixon Hill chapter just to fool and shoot some Borg.
Did you not catch her insistence during the flashbacks that the attack on Mars didn't line up? This shouldn't have been hard to put together along with the fact that they're not talking and she lives in a desert. I think it was even mentioned in passing since.You know what the funny thing about Raffi's son is? If she explained to Picard that her inability to let go of her conspiracy theories DESTROYED HER FUCKING FAMILY I might actually have had more sympathy for her early in the series.
Instead she positioned herself as someone who chose to live in a trailer in the desert because she lost her job. Why, Raffi?
depression and self hatred is one hell of a drug
Did you not catch her insistence during the flashbacks that the attack on Mars didn't line up? This shouldn't have been hard to put together along with the fact that they're not talking and she lives in a desert. I think it was even mentioned in passing since.
really? personally i thought that episode 4 was one of the weakest one and it was kinda boring
She said she lost everything though. But fair. Could have been more on the nose.She didn't mention that she had a husband or a kid, as far as I can remember. I don't have a problem with her thinking she's right about her theories, but if she had mentioned that her refusal to let go cost her her family it would've been much more effective.
She said she lost everything though. But fair. Could have been more on the nose.
Idea: Seven gets a Fenris Rangers spin-off but it turns out they're proper Super Sentai/Power Rangers-type Rangers and every episode ends with Seven fucking up the bad guy with a giant transforming robot made out of reclaimed Borg tech.
I wish the world building in general wasn't so vague. For all the work showing us the places that are outside of normal civilization I think that it makes it seem a little too narrow, at least in thinking if it continues like this down the line. If the Romulans are such a big deal in this plot why aren't we seeing anywhere else in their empire - they must still have some worlds colonized with large, modern cities. Perhaps it is a little too early to think that they won't get to that eventually I suppose. Maybe we'll see Narek travel back to some more developed place in Romulan territory later on.Episode 5 wasn't as great as 4 but I still mostly liked it. It was nice to see Seven in action again though I would've liked to see a little more of her and Picard just conversing. So I gather she's with these Rangers patrolling this lawless space where the Neutral Zone used to be, but the Romulans still have defined space (the Artifact is in their borders) so why no Neutral Zone anymore? Obviously the destruction of Romulus would be devastating but I wish the show was clearer on how functional or not the rest of their Empire is. I would think they'd still have most of their fleet.
Jurati being up to something was obvious but it looks like it's more than just "report back to Oh what Picard's up to". Hopefully Soji being the "Destroyer" is more of a metaphor and we don't actually have to save all life in the galaxy like we just did two seasons in a row on Discovery.
I wish the world building in general wasn't so vague. For all the work showing us the places that are outside of normal civilization I think that it makes it seem a little too narrow, at least in thinking if it continues like this down the line. If the Romulans are such a big deal in this plot why aren't we seeing anywhere else in their empire - they must still have some worlds colonized with large, modern cities. Perhaps it is a little too early to think that they won't get to that eventually I suppose. Maybe we'll see Narek travel back to some more developed place in Romulan territory later on.
I think that if they want to do this allegory about our current political situations then maybe they could scale up a little here, eventually. I don't know how well this allegory can be developed if the plot is always situated in small or exotic locales outside of everything else. It seems kind of needless to only want to tell this story from the outside.
Unfortunately I think this is where Soji, as our non-Picard centred PoV character, is one of the limiting factors. Because the rationale of her as a PoV character is explicitly tied to Dahj, who was Picard-tied until she blew up. As such, the show doesn't readily permit having PoVs outside of that branching path from Picard (unless they say screw it later on), and so we can't get so readily a wider perspective on things.
Annoyingly, I feel like what could have killed two or three birds (of prey) with one stone would be what I've mentioned to missing from the roster at the moment: An actual Starfleet officer. Maybe a relatively young one in charge of a small ship who's doing a lot of the busy work between the Federation and the Romulan Free State. A PoV character tied to the political state of affairs that could allow us insight into the various worlds concerned; even if it's something as simple as discussions of what colony they've gotta ferry an ambassador preaching the Free State gospel to the diaspora. A show like Picard, showing life outside of Starfleet, would have been way easier in the TNG era where it was assumed nothing was largely different from the existing setting, but much of Picard's premise is built on how things have changed. Limiting our ability to actually know what's changed is... kinda annoying, even if it's justified by the context of the show
Look I really like the Picard show, but let's not start getting delusional here.
Am I in the mirror universe right now? seriouslytalking about ''hot takes'' disco season 2 is better than TNG or at least more interesting to me
That could maybe work if it was someone like Gordi or Worf (or a Vulcan from TNG that Picard was close to...if there is someone like that) that would relay info and try to help Picard while still within Starfleet, but from what happened, a younger cadet would have to go AWOL to go off and help Picard like you're suggesting.
really? personally i thought that episode 4 was one of the weakest one and it was kinda boring
Frakes in the latter part of this podcast rates PIC above TNG! Hyperbolic PR.