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Star Trek: Lower Decks - Season 2 | It's warp time
- Thread starter Spectromixer
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I agree, but I try not to think about it. Realistically it is at least a decade before there is even a chance of getting a good live action Star Trek again.
There is good live action star trek now
anyways that was great, Cretaceous ops! I wonder what's going on with Rutherford.
anyways that was great, Cretaceous ops! I wonder what's going on with Rutherford.
Yeah, for sure. Still, we don't want to fall into the trap of the last trek run (or more recently Doctor Who) where future franchise runners aren't groomed as replacements of the old guard needs to step down.
I really, really hope that we don't just get 3 series of Lower Decks at that team doesn't get anything else Trek. I am crossing my fingers that we get some more seasons confirmed or they get to deal with something else trek.
In between episodes, the Klingon High Council was informed about the Pakled situation and apparently their answer is to blow up Pakled Planet to hide their dishonor.
Rutherford has had some people mess with his head/implant presumably by some S31-type people. Presumably they're also the ones that framed Freeman for some reason. If so, Rutherford had probably been programmed to leave 'evidence' behind. Did this happen while he was visiting the captain's yacht?
Are these two disparate events or is it all a huge conspiracy? Hard to justify why someone would care so much about the Cerritos
Rutherford has had some people mess with his head/implant presumably by some S31-type people. Presumably they're also the ones that framed Freeman for some reason. If so, Rutherford had probably been programmed to leave 'evidence' behind. Did this happen while he was visiting the captain's yacht?
Are these two disparate events or is it all a huge conspiracy? Hard to justify why someone would care so much about the Cerritos
This was good. This was DAMN good.
Probably one of the most efficient 30 minutes of television I have ever seen.
The only criticism is that a TON of story threads/character arcs that have been hanging around since like episode one were all pulled in and handled without warning. They were mostly satisfactory and none of them rang false, but it was super jarring to see them with little explicit buildup over the season.
That said, this was the gish-gallop of episodes: so many things at once that it is hard to fixate on specific flaws. I admire that approach.
Also, hilariously enough, this felt like an episode of Discovery but with the inherent emotional simplicity of a cartoon.
Nah. Part of why this particular show works so well is because it is not married to the 45 - 60 minutes format.
With a longer runtime, we don't get different stories, we get the same stories with a lot more padding.
Probably one of the most efficient 30 minutes of television I have ever seen.
The only criticism is that a TON of story threads/character arcs that have been hanging around since like episode one were all pulled in and handled without warning. They were mostly satisfactory and none of them rang false, but it was super jarring to see them with little explicit buildup over the season.
That said, this was the gish-gallop of episodes: so many things at once that it is hard to fixate on specific flaws. I admire that approach.
Also, hilariously enough, this felt like an episode of Discovery but with the inherent emotional simplicity of a cartoon.
Nah. Part of why this particular show works so well is because it is not married to the 45 - 60 minutes format.
With a longer runtime, we don't get different stories, we get the same stories with a lot more padding.
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I had to look up Cetacean Ops and holy shit is that an obscure reference. I honestly thought this was somehow related to Seaquest DSV.
I think that might have been the best episode of Nu Trek I've ever seen. I'm so glad this show gets to exist.
I think that might have been the best episode of Nu Trek I've ever seen. I'm so glad this show gets to exist.
That finale was fantastic. I was wary of this show before it came out but now I'm so glad it exists. It's the best Trek of all the new stuff by a huge margin.
Given how much of a TNG knockoff seaQuest was, it's very likely Darwin's tubes were taken from TNG stuff as well.
Oh, no, Cetacean Ops is a thing, but confined previously to reference books and the odd novel:
Cetacean ops
Cetacean ops was a facility on Federation Galaxy-class starships and California-class starships. Located on deck 13, cetacean ops was directly opposite the wet/dry access lock to the cetacean crew's living quarters and navigation lab, and adjacent to the main computer core. It housed...
memory-beta.fandom.com
Oh I know, what I'm saying is Mike McMahan has been referencing Cetacean Ops for years and I don't think anyone who follows him was too surprised to see this pop up.
Does make you wonder about dolphins doing a Darwin around the Enterprise though.
The last 3 episodes were fantastic.
It was cool seeing the Cerritos without panels. The dolphins reminded me of SeaQuest DSV. Nice callback to the Koala. A couple of interesting threads left dangling for S3.
It was cool seeing the Cerritos without panels. The dolphins reminded me of SeaQuest DSV. Nice callback to the Koala. A couple of interesting threads left dangling for S3.
That was a great episode of Star Trek—period. Comedy or not. and that cliffhanger was just cruel.
so a world with just ''funny'' rehash of tng yeah no thank you...
I like every new trek show except Picard, so don't take it as an attack on Discovery or something.
I obviously don't want any live action trek to be a comedy like lower decks, but I do think lower decks closes out it seasons a lot more strongly than most other recent trek shows. I also think Lower Decks deals with its crew dynamics quite well.
Fantastic final episode up until the end. Cliffhanger just didn't work for me. Didn't ruin the episode for me by any means, just seems like a lame way to end the season. I think cliffhangers should be exciting if they're going to do them.
I thought the flashback was him remembering the installation of his vulcan implant, with the implication being he did not actually choose to have it installed and it was done for some nefarious purpose. You can actually see on the monitor in that scene that he doesn't have an implant yet
I think they kind of alluded to this before: https://trekmovie.com/2020/08/10/in...comedy-in-starfleet-on-star-trek-lower-decks/
Oh man. I haven't enjoyed Star Trek like this for a long time. The last half season has been amazing, I'm crying that it has to end for a bit. Loved the koala reference, glad to see they're starting to lean more on themselves rather than constant references to other trek. It seems like its finally coming into its own.
And I wonder If we're going to see Beckett/Jen as a ship or be just friends. Mostly seems like they're setting that up. Been doin a rewatch and it seems they've been low key dropping Jen in for a bit, so it doesn't feel like a throwaway.
And I wonder If we're going to see Beckett/Jen as a ship or be just friends. Mostly seems like they're setting that up. Been doin a rewatch and it seems they've been low key dropping Jen in for a bit, so it doesn't feel like a throwaway.
Yeah I could see that, especially with disco having so many behind the scenes issues.
I'm convinced mike has a staff whos only job is to scan each frame of every star trek episode for little call backs like this
With all the problems of episodic Trek rearing their head again in Lower Decks I'm all the more curious about Strange New Worlds. I've been rewatching the fourth season of Enterprise in the last few weeks and at least in terms of the way the show is structured they had some interesting ideas with all those 2-3 episode mini arcs that that had long running character arcs for the main cast running through them. It would be nice if they gave that concept another shot, just with characters that I care about and a setting that doesn't bore me to tears.
I really enjoyed the last episode. I'm going to miss this show until it comes back for the next season. It seems like a lot of the lead characters are going to have some interesting stories in the future.
It did seem like they were flirting at the bar near the end. At the very least I hope Jen gets some more time in season 3. We only saw her a little, but she was a funny foil to Mariner.
It did seem like they were flirting at the bar near the end. At the very least I hope Jen gets some more time in season 3. We only saw her a little, but she was a funny foil to Mariner.
After that cliffhanger we're definitly going to see more of T'Lyn and Ma'ah.
But we're going to have to wait a whole year to find out. No Fair!
But we're going to have to wait a whole year to find out. No Fair!
Pretty much. lol
In lieu of a Galaxy Quest TV show that will never happen, Orville is basically a "fun" Trek show.
I hope Strange New Worlds will be the gap between the boring "prestige" television version of Trek we have now and the opportunity to tell classic 1 hour episodes that people will remember decades from now, but I'm just expecting Captain Pike to need to save the universe for evil Reaper aliens and stop time from ripping apart or some other boring season long plot. lol
nah the Orville is just familly guy tng edition which is just awful
The Orville reminds me of an SNL skit parodying Star Trek. All window dressing and no substance that leaves the Trek itch unsatisfied.
It's really not. That's not to say it's perfect by any means, but it's basically the equivalent of one of those fan films that brings in a random old Star Trek cast member like George Takei or Tim Russ to make a new series. Except somehow he convinced Fox to give him millions of dollars to do it.
The fact that Braga is a producer, McCarthy does the music, Frakes directed episodes, and he's gotten as many Star Trek actors to do guest parts? It is the most expensive fan film ever made.
What a fantastic episode! I really enjoyed that the solution they used is something that would have been absolutely cost prohibitive in live action, yet the shots of the ship maneuvering through the field felt like it was from "Booby Trap".
I also kind of dug that we got the TNG "To Be Continued…" at the end of this. This felt like one of the later two parters that TNG did. None of them had the impact of BOBWs, but still would leave you wondering how it would be resolved next season.
Bonus points for Cetacean Ops! I'm really, really, wondering if there's someone on this show listens to the "Ensign's Log" podcast. That show also goes to Cetacean Ops…and let's just say that the stuff the dolphins were saying in this episode would fit right in with the podcast.
I also kind of dug that we got the TNG "To Be Continued…" at the end of this. This felt like one of the later two parters that TNG did. None of them had the impact of BOBWs, but still would leave you wondering how it would be resolved next season.
Bonus points for Cetacean Ops! I'm really, really, wondering if there's someone on this show listens to the "Ensign's Log" podcast. That show also goes to Cetacean Ops…and let's just say that the stuff the dolphins were saying in this episode would fit right in with the podcast.
That's a really good way to describe Orville. It's obviously TNG, with enough changed so they don't get sued, but it's also not Family Guy in space. It's extremely faithful to the source material, and I think it's far less jokey and less irreverent than Lower Decks. It's become increasingly serious since the first couple of episodes. In fact, the third episode, "About a Girl" was where I really sat up and took notice that this show was not a parody of TNG at all, but an earnest attempt to bring that style of space adventure series back. In all honesty, between Orville, Lower Decks and what I hope SNW will be, this is looking like a really good time to be a fan of episodic Trek (or Trek-like) series.
Yeah, that was excellent. I'm just grinning that they showed Cetacean Ops, but the whole episode was well done.
Apparently Captain Gomez was a legacy character! I didn't remember her during the episode, but she spilled coffee on Picard as an ensign.
Apparently Captain Gomez was a legacy character! I didn't remember her during the episode, but she spilled coffee on Picard as an ensign.
Original actor too! She was also in "Samaritan Snare", which introduced the Pakleds, so I kind of wonder if she'll be back next season.
That's such a deep cut. I bet that actress never expected that call 35 years later.
There was a quote in a review of the episode I read where the creator of the show referred to her as "the original Lower Decker", and it makes sense to show someone who went from spilling hot chocolate on Picard to being a captain herself.
On a side note, that review pointed out something that I didn't pick up on in the episode. The ensign who shouts "It's the Cerritos!" does it in the same tone, gesture and shot framing as Boimler's "It's the Titan!" from the season 1 finale. It really puts an exclamation mark on just how much this crew and show came into their own this season. I feel like that suggests a level of confidence in the writing and characters that should pay off well over the course of the series.
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IIRC she was supposed to become a recurring character on TNG, but the character just wasn't working.
She'd stopped acting years ago, her last acting credit was 2008, and gone into journalism and charity work.
I didn't think the personal conflicts were gut-punching enough but they definitely were solid and character-driven; but I'll be damned, having a ship strip to it's skivvies rumble it's way through a magnetic asteroid field with no power is a star trek first, so it's a hell of a season finale.
Oh wait, it's THAT Gomez? lol
Yeah, About a Girl is basically Outcast. And every other episode is basically a Trek "homage" (or rip off) when it comes to that clunky allegory stuff.
I know that modern scifi isn't about "take a contemporary issue and set it in the future" anymore, but there's something just... charming about seeing the writers try to produce an episode about whether an AI can have a family or what it's like to fall in love with someone on a holodeck.
