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Star Trek: Lower Decks - Season 2 | It's warp time
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I just went back and checked, they fire phasers and photons at the same time
Boimler's demotion doesn't sit well with me. Him screwing up and getting demoted would be one thing, but getting a demotion for absolutely no reason just seems silly.
Aww yeah, I didn't notice him getting demoted. That's dumb.
Alright episode though. I knew Boimler would be back on the Cerritos but that's not how I would've guessed it would happen.
Alright episode though. I knew Boimler would be back on the Cerritos but that's not how I would've guessed it would happen.
Honestly I'm disappointed that they basically retconned everything, although I suppose that's also a very Berman/TNG-like thing to do. :p
I know they weren't going to keep the cast separate from each other for long, but it would have been interesting to see what the dynamic would have been like with Boimler outranking his friends and the new guy changing the group dynamic.
I'm not sure what I'm looking for now. At the very least they lampshaded (or just directly referenced) how tiring it is to watch ships shoot phasers at each other over and over again, so if nothing else there may be some fun Star Trek stories. But having the characters go backwards is always the disappointing aspect of Trek.
I'm actually a bit surprised, slightly miffed at how they went about it but I'm sure I'll get over it by next week lol.
That's what you get for wishing for a Trek show that is more like TNG because that ridiculous status quo reset is the most TNG thing ever.
I'll admit I'm surprised at the reset because the show is animated. There's far less practical barriers to permanently changing the scenario and setting.
Only thing that would have made it worse is if they did the Trek thing of saying the entire first season was wiped out because of a timeloop and we start all over at the beginning. lol
STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS 202 Review: "Kayshon, His Eyes Open"
On this week's new STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS, Brad Boimler finds out life on the Titan isn't all he expected -- while the Cerritos crew digs through decades of Easter eggs
blog.trekcore.com
Everyone look at all of the easter eggs you missed. I think they're going a bit ham with them. LOL
Having never seen The Animated Series I had no idea that 'Spock Two' was a thing. I appreciate the deep cuts though.
I have no problem with the 'reset' since the core of the show is obviously the interactions between Boimler, Mariner, Tendi and Rutherford. Continually checking in on Captain Riker and his new junior lieutenant would've felt fractured, and betrayed the 'Lower Decks' premise. Plus it'll be fun when Boimler's transporter clone shows up in season 4 as an Admiral and Bradward is still an ensign.
Was "Rapunki, when he joined the Seven" supposed to be a reference to Jack Quaid's other show, The Boys? I don't know who Rapunki is but "The Seven" is a thing in that show.
I have no problem with the 'reset' since the core of the show is obviously the interactions between Boimler, Mariner, Tendi and Rutherford. Continually checking in on Captain Riker and his new junior lieutenant would've felt fractured, and betrayed the 'Lower Decks' premise. Plus it'll be fun when Boimler's transporter clone shows up in season 4 as an Admiral and Bradward is still an ensign.
Was "Rapunki, when he joined the Seven" supposed to be a reference to Jack Quaid's other show, The Boys? I don't know who Rapunki is but "The Seven" is a thing in that show.
The references are cute, I guess, but I'm happy for most of them to go over my head. Honestly I feel like the second season has already been a little too willing to dip into the reference well. It felt like 95% of the Tamarian dialogue was just winks to that one TNG episode, and it was annoying.
it's a comedy it's not supposed to be taken literally/seriously...
Honestly, I bet a lot will go over everyone's heads unless you've either seen the series' a few times or if it's fresh from a re-watch. But I wouldn't be surprised if the nerds writing this show aren't just letting them out naturally. 😆
May just jump in to the weekly watch on this one instead of fitting it into the backlog of shows that will pile up for me in November/December.
From what it sounds like this season is still too heavily reliant on references and callbacks to previous Star Trek series instead of framing its own compelling narrative? Disappointing if true. It's why I thought that while the first season was a solid 5/10 and great at introducing establishing mechanics, some of those moments, entertaining as they are, hold the show back by being relied on as a crutch.
I don't mind these things supplementing characterization and plotting but Lower Decks has to eventually rely on crafting its own story if it wants to differentiate itself. Easter eggs aren't a substitution and are only entertaining for so long if the show insists on constantly incorporating them in lieu of meaningful development.
From what it sounds like this season is still too heavily reliant on references and callbacks to previous Star Trek series instead of framing its own compelling narrative? Disappointing if true. It's why I thought that while the first season was a solid 5/10 and great at introducing establishing mechanics, some of those moments, entertaining as they are, hold the show back by being relied on as a crutch.
I don't mind these things supplementing characterization and plotting but Lower Decks has to eventually rely on crafting its own story if it wants to differentiate itself. Easter eggs aren't a substitution and are only entertaining for so long if the show insists on constantly incorporating them in lieu of meaningful development.
The episode is essentially a send-up of Riker and even Jonathan Frakes as a director, since his episodes/movies tend to be action-heavy running-down-hallways-with phasers. Jonathan Frakes poking fun at himself. I was smiling the whole time.
I could do with less explicitly called out references. Put them in the show, but you don't need to have them literally named and explained.
Curious what bringing
Shaxs back means for the show. I rather like Kayshon
The constant obscure references that they simply must do in every single episode was my main criticism of the first season, and as much as I enjoy the show otherwise, they haven't let up with it in the slightest in this season either. I think it would be much stronger if they would let it's own humour develop and let it stand on it's own.
x2 also the orion pheromones garbage should have stayed in that terrible enterprise episode never to be referenced again
This is getting a bit old. All the interesting setups from the 1st season finale have been reversed and the show is doubling down on what I consider its weak points instead. They said the second half of the season will be some sort of self contained serialized thing and maybe the show will find its footing again but this is super bleh stuff so far.
The reference joke density is a bit much and I am annoyed at how they handwaved both Boimler and Shax back but on the other hand they're really not afraid to amp up the interpersonal conflict in ways that are actually interesting and grounded and that was one of the things I liked the most about the first season so I'm enjoying this
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I feel like they need to just move past the lampshading of tropes and their own writing and get to telling stories again.
I totally give them a pass for Shax coming back in light of how common it is for people to come back from the dead in Trek - and exploring how it actually looks from the perspective of everybody else.
However I do agree the show needs to focus on core storytelling over referencing Trek tropes. This episode was still not bad in that department. Someone I know said there was even a nice message in the twist of what T'Ana really wanted: don't make assumptions about people's anxieties.
While framed amusingly with a cat reference, it turned out to be more than a cheap joke about T'Ana being horny. She was having a panic attack - and it makes sense, being chief medical officer in Starfleet where insane shit happens every five hours. Like people coming back from the dead. On the note of T'Ana, this was another bit of development for her.
She puts on attitude and acts like Turbo McCoy. But there's been several moments where she's displayed weariness and a desire for a bit of consideration she doesn't expect she'll receive. Like being a surprised and thankful someone gave her nachos.
However I do agree the show needs to focus on core storytelling over referencing Trek tropes. This episode was still not bad in that department. Someone I know said there was even a nice message in the twist of what T'Ana really wanted: don't make assumptions about people's anxieties.
While framed amusingly with a cat reference, it turned out to be more than a cheap joke about T'Ana being horny. She was having a panic attack - and it makes sense, being chief medical officer in Starfleet where insane shit happens every five hours. Like people coming back from the dead. On the note of T'Ana, this was another bit of development for her.
She puts on attitude and acts like Turbo McCoy. But there's been several moments where she's displayed weariness and a desire for a bit of consideration she doesn't expect she'll receive. Like being a surprised and thankful someone gave her nachos.
I actually really like the joke of the Lower Deckers not getting to know what's up with Shax, just not sure it's worth the 'reset'. Hopefully Kayshon stays around.
I wholly appreciate the Worf "RAMMING SPEED" delivery from First Contact. I try work it in every driving game I play lol
I felt they did that a lot of development with Mariner and Tendi in this last episode. Tendi clearly wanting to differentiate herself from the stereotypical Orion woman, and even implying that she may have been some sort of pirate queen in the past.
And we now know that Mariner served on DS9 overlapping with Worf, and reinforced her issues with others advancing in their career and leaving her behind.
Yeah they really explored Mariner and Tendi this last eps, not sure where the talk of them not focusing on the main cast is coming from.
At this point I'm still on board but if anything I feel like this season's way WORSE with the nonstop references. Maybe it's just the way they're incorporated into the episodes but they stick out like sore thumbs to me a lot more than last season. Harder to skip over and ignore, too, like the extended Voyager stuff that felt as shoehorned in as "Tom Paris loooooooves the 1950s!" in Voyager. And even as a meta-commentary on that shitty part of Voyager it's still not funny, not that I think that's what they were actually going for.
On the bright side I felt like everyone at least had something interesting to do except Boimler. Honestly, if they'd just jettisoned that c-plot the episode wouldn't have been any worse for it.
On the bright side I felt like everyone at least had something interesting to do except Boimler. Honestly, if they'd just jettisoned that c-plot the episode wouldn't have been any worse for it.
Me too >_>
Thread is awkward.
But naw, this series has been nothing short of an incredible love letter to the series. The fact the show can shoehorn in some many references on top of doing it's own with the plot is incredible.
Really hoping they put Caitians in a live action series again soon. Or literally just put the doctor in a live-action show ...they've done live-action cameos in cartoon form --- make the cat REAL!!!!!!
I think this is the first episode I liked because it was basically a standalone episode without the baggage of trying to resolve stuff from last season.
Maybe they should just do the TNG/VOY thing entirely and just don't bother having any consequences outside of the season ending/starting two-parters. lol
Maybe they should just do the TNG/VOY thing entirely and just don't bother having any consequences outside of the season ending/starting two-parters. lol