Rutheford's moments were the best part of the episode just like in the first one and the Janeway Protocol line was nice but you have your standards set way too low.If you failed to laugh at the Janeway Protocol you have no authority on this
the fact is, I was more than ready for comedy in Star Trek (even tho the original Lower Decks episode had a much different atmosphere and I kinda hoped they'd use that), but this? it has no heart, has no laughs, has no likeable chars. we've seen big IPs done well with insightful meta-jokes, plenty of laughs, great characters and captivating from episode 1 - my reference here is the current Duck Tales. Why Star Trek has to attract so much mediocrity?
well if you want to think about the in-story dynamic of the events probably calling the protocol resulted into the ship ramming the asteroid, but the joke was pretty self-explanatory in Janeway's being infamous for many questionable choices ranging from the highly destructive to ridiculously immoral without ironing out all the detailsYeah, between Mariner not actually being a terrible person and all the senior crew basically encouraging Rutherford to find himself every time he decides to quit a ship discipline, it's actually a pretty wholesome and nice environment. I really appreciate Mariner having a chat with her actually-totally-normal Ferengi friend at the end of the episode, it honestly made me feel a lot better after the terrible Ferengi stereotyping earlier.
re: Janeway Protocol, I watched that section again and I think either I'm dumb or the editing is weird; probably a bit of both. I didn't get the joke because Rutherford's all "let's use the Janeway Protocol" and the crew's like "are you sure" and then he says "uhh... yes?" and then IMMEDIATELY afterwards the whole ship is on fire and it's not even clear the crew executed his order, so I was like "wait did they even do the Janeway Protocol also what the hell is it."
Based on other articles speculating on what the Janeway Protocol is, I actually think Tukarrs had the right idea and also no one reviewing the show remembers that line. I definitely didn't, and only after looking up the line and watching the video does it make sense. The whole "there's a tiny asteroid RIGHT IN FRONT OF US" seems like a really big flag in hindsight, but only if you remember that random line from the Voyager's PILOT episode. (It probably lands a lot better for people who've rewatched the series lately.)
I feel like just a single quick edit of someone putting in a helm command would've made this work a lot better, even if you don't know what the Janeway Protocol is. On the other hand, this is not the first time I've been in a Star Trek thread complaining about some random minor inconsistency or missed explanation, only for someone to remind me that actually they fully explained the thing I was complaining about and I just missed it because I'm a dumbass. So I'll probably just take the L here, since everyone else got the joke just fine.
And that's it for another episode of "chrominance Totally Ruins a Joke Through Overanalysis," see you all next week!
Yeah, between Mariner not actually being a terrible person and all the senior crew basically encouraging Rutherford to find himself every time he decides to quit a ship discipline, it's actually a pretty wholesome and nice environment. I really appreciate Mariner having a chat with her actually-totally-normal Ferengi friend at the end of the episode, it honestly made me feel a lot better after the terrible Ferengi stereotyping earlier.
re: Janeway Protocol, I watched that section again and I think either I'm dumb or the editing is weird; probably a bit of both. I didn't get the joke because Rutherford's all "let's use the Janeway Protocol" and the crew's like "are you sure" and then he says "uhh... yes?" and then IMMEDIATELY afterwards the whole ship is on fire and it's not even clear the crew executed his order, so I was like "wait did they even do the Janeway Protocol also what the hell is it."
Based on other articles speculating on what the Janeway Protocol is, I actually think Tukarrs had the right idea and also no one reviewing the show remembers that line. I definitely didn't, and only after looking up the line and watching the video does it make sense. The whole "there's a tiny asteroid RIGHT IN FRONT OF US" seems like a really big flag in hindsight, but only if you remember that random line from the Voyager's PILOT episode. (It probably lands a lot better for people who've rewatched the series lately.)
I feel like just a single quick edit of someone putting in a helm command would've made this work a lot better, even if you don't know what the Janeway Protocol is. On the other hand, this is not the first time I've been in a Star Trek thread complaining about some random minor inconsistency or missed explanation, only for someone to remind me that actually they fully explained the thing I was complaining about and I just missed it because I'm a dumbass. So I'll probably just take the L here, since everyone else got the joke just fine.
And that's it for another episode of "chrominance Totally Ruins a Joke Through Overanalysis," see you all next week!
the Janeway Protocol was specifically for the scenario in the previous simulationRansom then says that's never happened before in 1000 simulations. That's the joke, Rotherford is so unsuited to any other role than engineering that even when provided with the solution he still messes it up - the protocol is unknowable.
<Rutherford using the simplest of commands destroys the ship>
Ransom - "Hey next time just use the Janeway Protocol"
Rutherford says "What's that?"
Ransom "ha good one!"
Rutherford "Use the Janeway Protocol"
<still ends in choas (Kindergarden being ejected into space) even though he was given the answer>
the Janeway Protocol was specifically for the scenario in the previous simulation
"In command school, they taught us to always remember that maneuvering a starship is a very delicate process. But over the years, I've learned that sometimes... you just have to punch your way through."
I assume you wanted this to be handled more like the Star Trek animated series of old in which this is an exactly extension of the existing formula?
As noted in a post above i think this is the correct source of the Janeway Protocol (Episode Parallax)
As noted in a post above i think this is the correct source of the Janeway Protocol (Episode Parallax)
Pretty on the mark for a cartoon for 10 year olds.The old Star Trek cartoon is way funnier than anything I've seen in the new one yet.
Problem was, it wasn't supposed to be.The old Star Trek cartoon is way funnier than anything I've seen in the new one yet.
The shape shifter in the bar was also the kind of shape shifter that was seen in Star Trek: The Animated Series (as opposed to the more popular DS9 "Changeling", or that one girl who was into Wesley, and her nanny who was into Worf, or the supermodel Iman from Star Trek VI).
This is where I'm at. Hopefully Rutherford and Tendi have more of a focus in future episodes.I'm exclusively watching this show for Rutherford and Tendi right now, because Mariner and Boimler are both kinda insufferable. But they're command ensigns, so that kinda tracks.
I hope the captain just keeps workshopping different tags.
I mean the flip side is that (some) Trek fans pretty much see Galaxy Quest and to a lesser extent The Orville as honorary Trek shows, so it's not that there's anything necessarily working against a comedy. And for better or for worse, this show is the closest we've gotten to "old" Star Trek since Enterprise went off the air.My initial impression, personally, is that Star Trek fans would not like this as it's a bit of a change in tone, and it wouldn't drag any new fans into the franchise. However, seeing the reaction in this thread from people who like Star Trek, let's see how this goes. If it's actually good, it will be amazing, but if they've misjudged it and it's a bit rubbish, it's going to really seen with some disdain. It's a bold move, though. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I mean the flip side is that (some) Trek fans pretty much see Galaxy Quest and to a lesser extent The Orville as honorary Trek shows, so it's not that there's anything necessarily working against a comedy. And for better or for worse, this show is the closest we've gotten to "old" Star Trek since Enterprise went off the air.
What if one of them is actually the chosen one and there's a dark season-long plot full of unanswered questions and mysteries? lolYeah, so far this is the closest we've had in terms of episodic, 'everyday' adventures, even at two episodes in.
What if one of them is actually the chosen one and there's a dark season-long plot full of unanswered questions and mysteries? lol
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I'd say at least watch episode 2, it calms down from the opener.I'm not unwilling to try this later but it lost me basically in the first five minutes. I'm all for things being a little amped up for comedy sakes but it felt like some of these characters belonged in a totally different universe.
It'd be different if they were incompetent and likable but obnoxious and incompetent is a bit too much for me. Also I'm not a fan of the super-bro-y officers and of the smarmy officer who tells the new girl to "Move It Along, Lower Decks." It'd be nice if they attempted to mine comedy from the difference between the uptight seriousness of Starfleet and the weirdo ensigns instead of it making everyone a caricature.
Episode 2 is better, as noted above. But if you tune out the command ensigns Mariner and Boimler a little bit and focus on Rutherford and Tendi, it becomes a much better show almost immediately.I'm not unwilling to try this later but it lost me basically in the first five minutes. I'm all for things being a little amped up for comedy sakes but it felt like some of these characters belonged in a totally different universe.
It'd be different if they were incompetent and likable but obnoxious and incompetent is a bit too much for me. Also I'm not a fan of the super-bro-y officers and of the smarmy officer who tells the new girl to "Move It Along, Lower Decks." It'd be nice if they attempted to mine comedy from the difference between the uptight seriousness of Starfleet and the weirdo ensigns instead of it making everyone a caricature.
yeah i'm really enjoying it a lot more than PIC or DiscoI don't have much to say other than I am thoroughly enjoying the show and I'm glad there's already a second season coming cause this is so much better than the boring pointless garbage that was Picard.