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B.K.

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Oct 31, 2017
17,041
Wait, we saw him in the mirror???

Yeah. It was the episode where Mirror O'brien kidnaps Sisko to take the place of Mirror Sisko to finish a mission. Tuvok is there at a resistance meeting.

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Tuvok (mirror)

Tuvok was a Vulcan member of the Terran Rebellion against the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe. Typical of his species, he was notably less impulsive than other members of the Rebellion, such as Julian Bashir and Rom, and preferred a logical approach to combating the Alliance...
 

Teiresias

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Oct 27, 2017
8,225
Yeah. It was the episode where Mirror O'brien kidnaps Sisko to take the place of Mirror Sisko to finish a mission. Tuvok is there at a resistance meeting.

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Tuvok (mirror)

Tuvok was a Vulcan member of the Terran Rebellion against the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe. Typical of his species, he was notably less impulsive than other members of the Rebellion, such as Julian Bashir and Rom, and preferred a logical approach to combating the Alliance...

Oh wait, I thought you said we saw Tuxiv in the mirror universe, not Tuvok!! Sorry, was very confused there for a moment. I always forget Voyage and DS9 overlapped anyway.
 

Serebii

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Oct 24, 2017
13,127
What bothers me the most about that episode is that we never see the time cops again. Chakotay and Harry try to change the past and save Voyager? No time cops. Janeway goes back in time to get Voyager home sooner? No time cops. They're really bad at their jobs.
We did once in the episode "Relativity"
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
7,705
What bothers me the most about that episode is that we never see the time cops again. Chakotay and Harry try to change the past and save Voyager? No time cops. Janeway goes back in time to get Voyager home sooner? No time cops. They're really bad at their jobs.
There was one other episode.

I think they only interfere when their timeline is altered, you can argue the changed timelines in Timeless/Endgame are what the Time Cops viewed as correct so they don't meddle in events that cause them.

But really they were a poor idea not well explained.
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
3,969
who thought

it was a good idea

to have SO MANY EPISODES

about lwaxana troi
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry was basically Trek royalty. The widow of Star Trek's late creator. "Number One" in the pilot episode. Spock's love interest in TOS (Nurse Chapel). The voice of the computer. She can have anything she wants, and many things she doesn't want, because people find joy in giving her things, even useless things, like Lwaxana Troi episodes.

Either that or, cynical producers wanted to be seen giving things to Majel Barrett, because they wanted to be seen as people who respected her. Same results, but different motivations.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
93,184
What bothers me the most about that episode is that we never see the time cops again. Chakotay and Harry try to change the past and save Voyager? No time cops. Janeway goes back in time to get Voyager home sooner? No time cops. They're really bad at their jobs.
The EU books about them are pretty good, the first one is a reading work out because some parts are nonlinear, but you see some good cameos like USS Bozeman who is the offical ship of the DTI the origins of the time cops and the cryogenic lady from that one ep of TNG
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
24,203
Picard spoilers

I JUST REALIZED THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE PICARD INTO DOCTOR WHO AND GIVEN HIM ANY BODY. WE COULD HAVE HAD IDRIS ALBA AS PICARD

Please carry on. lol
 

CommodoreKong

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Oct 25, 2017
7,711
Picard spoilers

I JUST REALIZED THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE PICARD INTO DOCTOR WHO AND GIVEN HIM ANY BODY. WE COULD HAVE HAD IDRIS ALBA AS PICARD

Please carry on. lol

This is the second time he could of had a new, younger body and didn't seem interested, although I guess maybe starfleet wouldn't let someone with the body of a child be the captain of the flagship so I kinda understand the first time he went back to his old body.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
24,203
This is the second time he could of had a new, younger body and didn't seem interested, although I guess maybe starfleet wouldn't let someone with the body of a child be the captain of the flagship so I kinda understand the first time he went back to his old body.
I kind of understand the first time at least though (although you'd imagine so many people would want that tech lol).

But the second time other people basically decide for him. They didn't give him the dignity of a noble death... instead he'll be a robot that turns off in 10 years? :p
 

Lagamorph

Wrong About Chicken
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Oct 26, 2017
7,355
That episode was depressing to me even before I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety.

Now I think it would relapse me.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
7,705
I kind of understand the first time at least though (although you'd imagine so many people would want that tech lol).

But the second time other people basically decide for him. They didn't give him the dignity of a noble death... instead he'll be a robot that turns off in 10 years? :p
Nah let's be clear, this is a golem that has his mind copied to it.

Picard is dead.
 

butalala

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Nov 24, 2017
5,284
It's definitely a golem, this is a michael chabon thing after all, but I don't know if I really think Picard is dead.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
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Oct 25, 2017
93,184
The acting choices for the first season ep where Julian got possessed were.......choices..
 

weemadarthur

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Oct 25, 2017
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The acting choices for the first season ep where Julian got possessed were.......choices..
Apparently they made him redub the lines because he originally imitated one of the horror greats too well and it was overly creepy for a family show (someone like Boris Karloff, idr) so then it just.....sucked and made him look like he can't act lol.
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
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Oct 25, 2017
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The acting choices for the first season ep where Julian got possessed were.......choices..
Apparently they made him redub the lines because he originally imitated one of the horror greats too well and it was overly creepy for a family show (someone like Boris Karloff, idr) so then it just.....sucked and made him look like he can't act lol.
This whole time I'd just assumed that he grew into the role as an actor when actually they just made him suck at first. Damn.
For the first few seasons. Julian is a sexpest.
Though yeah, this was definitely a thing. So glad they dialed that down.
 

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
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Oct 25, 2017
93,184
Apparently they made him redub the lines because he originally imitated one of the horror greats too well and it was overly creepy for a family show (someone like Boris Karloff, idr) so then it just.....sucked and made him look like he can't act lol.
So talent runs in the family
 
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#Janewaywasright
 

tryagainlater

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Oct 25, 2017
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Janeway was wrong.

Not sure I would level the reset accusation at Voyager exclusively; problem with any episodic storyline. O' Brien got over his 20 year imprisonment pretty quickly.
 

firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
24,203
Janeway was wrong.

Not sure I would level the reset accusation at Voyager exclusively; problem with any episodic storyline. O' Brien got over his 20 year imprisonment pretty quickly.
Yeah, but this is just a Berman thing where he hated any serialization because he wanted people to be able to jump in at any point.
Famously Pillar had to fight Berman to get a follow up episode to Picard being assimilated. Because you'd think being turned into Robocop and murdering thousands of people would have a profound impact on someone.
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
Janeway was wrong.

Not sure I would level the reset accusation at Voyager exclusively; problem with any episodic storyline. O' Brien got over his 20 year imprisonment pretty quickly.

I always lol when I remember that O'Brien effectively experienced 32 years of life over the course of the 12 years worth of television seasons we knew him through.
 

Mezentine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wow Children of Time made me dislike several DS9 characters quite a bit

EDIT: This episode is fuuuuuuucked. Why doesn't this one come up more in discussion? Because no-one on the main cast actually makes the terrible choice, unlike Tuvox?
 
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firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
24,203
Wow Children of Time made me dislike several DS9 characters quite a bit

EDIT: This episode is fuuuuuuucked. Why doesn't this one come up more in discussion? Because no-one on the main cast actually makes the terrible choice, unlike Tuvox?
Odo got the short end of the stick and became the Janeway of the episode, all because of love. lol

I think it's one of the better time travel reboot episodes - not as good as The Visitor, but still pretty good.

I think all of the Trek time travel reboot episodes are actually good in that they give the actors/writers space to push characters in directions that they wouldn't otherwise get to go - that Harry Kim one and even that Enterprise one come to mind as well. It's unfortunate for the formula that these episodes don't have any consequences on the series itself, but... that's Star Trek for you.