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DrForester

Mod of the Year 2006
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Oct 25, 2017
21,711
The Ressikan Flute prop replica is now up for pre-order.

www.factoryent.com

Star Trek - Ressikan Flute Limited Edition Prop Replica

Details regarding the original prop, created in 1966, are sadly lost to time. So, to create this replica, the Factory Entertainment development team spent many hours carefully studying and examining images and footage of the prop to ensure the highest levels of accuracy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,656
I've been watching the stream. I had to tune out for a bit right when the Strange New Worlds stream started talking about a crossover of some kind. Missed it completely. What did they talk about? (Probably the last 7-10 minutes)

I pretty much missed everything between the word "crossover" and when the started talking about this show being optimistic and how much 2020 sucks.
So what was that crossover talk about? And did I miss anything else juicy right after that?
 

BrokenFiction

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,325
ATL
I've been watching the stream. I had to tune out for a bit right when the Strange New Worlds stream started talking about a crossover of some kind. Missed it completely. What did they talk about? (Probably the last 7-10 minutes)

I pretty much missed everything between the word "crossover" and when the started talking about this show being optimistic and how much 2020 sucks.
So what was that crossover talk about? And did I miss anything else juicy right after that?

It might have been a joke but it was about crossing SNW and Lower Decks. Then a bunch of "Like Roger Rabbit!?" jokes came from every direction.
 

crazillo

Member
Apr 5, 2018
8,186
Perhaps a bit of an unusual place to share, but some folks and me are doing a Trek Enterprise fan project in Dreams, and you might not stumble upon it by yourself :)

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Some videos






Happily invited to our Discord :)

Tritt dem Enterprise-D Dreams Project-Discord-Server bei!

Sieh dir die Enterprise-D Dreams Project-Community auf Discord an – häng mit 95 anderen Mitgliedern ab und freu dich über kostenlose Sprach- und Textchats.
 
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golem

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,878
It might have been a joke but it was about crossing SNW and Lower Decks. Then a bunch of "Like Roger Rabbit!?" jokes came from every direction.
Yup it started with the joke that Rebecca Romjin and her husband Jerry OConnell are both playing Number 1s at the moment and have heated debates at their house on who's the best one
 

tryagainlater

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,251
I started watching Voyager a bit sooner than I planned but here I am halfway through season 2.

So far...not really feeling it. Granted the previous 2 shows weren't winners at this point either. In terms of characters, there's a lot of dull ones. Robert Picardo as the Doctor is fun and Kes is a nice compassionate soul to counter the Doctor's bluntness. I go back and forward on how I feel about Neelix; his relationship with Kes is cute until he started being jealous which was just annoying to watch. Chakotay has a nice calming presence. Janeway has a wonderful actress and I'm interested in seeing a captain making tough decisions in order to survive. Torres has the potential to be an interesting character. Tuvok is fine. Kim and Paris are boring, with Paris being the mandatory horny character.

Speaking of which, the previous episode had Paris and Janeway evolve into giant salamanders who then fucked and produced salamander children. And now in the episode I'm currently watching, they're investigating a murder of a Mr. Darwin. You already murdered Darwin with your stupid understanding of evolution. At least Brad Dourif is in this episode. Brad Dourif is great.
 

Shy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
18,520
I started watching Voyager a bit sooner than I planned but here I am halfway through season 2.

So far...not really feeling it. Granted the previous 2 shows weren't winners at this point either. In terms of characters, there's a lot of dull ones. Robert Picardo as the Doctor is fun and Kes is a nice compassionate soul to counter the Doctor's bluntness. I go back and forward on how I feel about Neelix; his relationship with Kes is cute until he started being jealous which was just annoying to watch. Chakotay has a nice calming presence. Janeway has a wonderful actress and I'm interested in seeing a captain making tough decisions in order to survive. Torres has the potential to be an interesting character. Tuvok is fine. Kim and Paris are boring, with Paris being the mandatory horny character.

Speaking of which, the previous episode had Paris and Janeway evolve into giant salamanders who then fucked and produced salamander children. And now in the episode I'm currently watching, they're investigating a murder of a Mr. Darwin. You already murdered Darwin with your stupid understanding of evolution. At least Brad Dourif is in this episode. Brad Dourif is great.
My i recommend this pod. It's by Garett Wang (Harry) and Robbie McNeill (Tom) are going through every episode doing a commentary.

I've not listened to it yet. But they're both very funny gents, and very honest too.
the-delta-flyers.captivate.fm

The Delta Flyers

Join Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill each week as they re-watch and discuss Star Trek Voyager episodes. You will hear exclusive behind the scene stories from this dynamic duo. Follow us on Instagram and Twitter @TheDeltaFlyers We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible...
 

19thCenturyFox

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 29, 2017
4,309
I started watching Voyager a bit sooner than I planned but here I am halfway through season 2.

So far...not really feeling it. Granted the previous 2 shows weren't winners at this point either. In terms of characters, there's a lot of dull ones. Robert Picardo as the Doctor is fun and Kes is a nice compassionate soul to counter the Doctor's bluntness. I go back and forward on how I feel about Neelix; his relationship with Kes is cute until he started being jealous which was just annoying to watch. Chakotay has a nice calming presence. Janeway has a wonderful actress and I'm interested in seeing a captain making tough decisions in order to survive. Torres has the potential to be an interesting character. Tuvok is fine. Kim and Paris are boring, with Paris being the mandatory horny character.

Speaking of which, the previous episode had Paris and Janeway evolve into giant salamanders who then fucked and produced salamander children. And now in the episode I'm currently watching, they're investigating a murder of a Mr. Darwin. You already murdered Darwin with your stupid understanding of evolution. At least Brad Dourif is in this episode. Brad Dourif is great.

That Brad Dourif episode is one of the very few stand alone Star Trek episodes that gets a satisfying payoff later on. Aside from that I'd be lying if I told you that you have much to look forward to.
 

StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
I started watching Voyager a bit sooner than I planned but here I am halfway through season 2.

So far...not really feeling it. Granted the previous 2 shows weren't winners at this point either. In terms of characters, there's a lot of dull ones. Robert Picardo as the Doctor is fun and Kes is a nice compassionate soul to counter the Doctor's bluntness. I go back and forward on how I feel about Neelix; his relationship with Kes is cute until he started being jealous which was just annoying to watch. Chakotay has a nice calming presence. Janeway has a wonderful actress and I'm interested in seeing a captain making tough decisions in order to survive. Torres has the potential to be an interesting character. Tuvok is fine. Kim and Paris are boring, with Paris being the mandatory horny character.

Speaking of which, the previous episode had Paris and Janeway evolve into giant salamanders who then fucked and produced salamander children. And now in the episode I'm currently watching, they're investigating a murder of a Mr. Darwin. You already murdered Darwin with your stupid understanding of evolution. At least Brad Dourif is in this episode. Brad Dourif is great.
The Warp 10 episode is infamous as one of the bad Trek episodes. Voyager gets significantly better in Season 3, and Seasons 4 onwards even more so.

Paris was my favourite character and one of the few on Voyager who's character gets a real arc.
 

GalaxyDive

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Oct 25, 2017
4,670
Neelix gets a whole lot better once removed from Kes. The jealousy stuff makes him pretty insufferable early on in Voyager, especially when combined with being constantly worried about Janeway giving him the boot.

Actually been doing my own slow Voyager rewatch after my wife had watched TNG and DS9 for the first time. I guess a bit more than a rewatch, first time since it was airing when I was a kid. Had seen very little of the first two seasons, only parts of the third, and had missed or didn't remember episodes here and there.

I guess it's easy given how Seven is um, presented, but had forgotten that Jeri Ryan is a pretty damn good actress. "Lol Borg implants" admittedly make it easy, but there's probably reason why she was given a lot of the range episodes after joining the cast.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,291
Midgar, With Love
Voyager's second season is dire with precious few exceptions. It's the worst season in the series and on the lowest tier of Star Trek seasons overall. I like the show a lot more from its third season onward. (And especially from its fouth season onward.)
 

Cheerilee

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,969
I think. They said they couldn't get a lock on her, for some reason i'm blanking on at the mo.
I just looked at an online transcript, and beaming Dr. Pulaski out was not mentioned, but clearly it never would have worked.

Data was powning all of the Sherlock Holmes videogames, so Geordi used his authority to make the computer make "an adversary capable of defeating Data".

Since Data is capable of exploiting the ship's computer to an insane degree, Moriarty (backed by the ship's computer) must also be capable of that much, and more.

The computer switched off the safety protocols, since those give Data an advantage. Data tries to cheat the game by turning off the holodeck. Ship's computer: "LOL no." Data runs to Captain Picard. Moriarty wants to get Captain Picard's attention, so he creates a lever which "momentarily transfers attitude and stabilization control to the holodeck".

The transporters are computer-controlled, so I guarantee those would not have worked. That's cheating and the computer would have automatically blocked it.


I would suggest that Geordi accidentally overloaded the computer and basically used a software exploit to gain more control over the computer than even Captain Picard had, since Geordi asked the computer to be capable of defeating Data, and Picard was on Data's side, and the computer even went so far as to try and create sentience as a way to beat Data. Captain Picard could order the computer to stop, but the computer might respond with "Sorry, I didn't quite hear that, I'm too busy trying to divide by zero over here. Did you say something about wanting to join in the game?"
 

Fuzzy

Completely non-threatening
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,137
Toronto
It's just assumed that when Moriarty overrides the holodeck safety protocols that also means beaming someone out to avoid danger.
 

Cheerilee

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,969
Paris with a printer, Chakotay with a webcam, Janeway (in a phone booth?) with a cordless telephone... but I can't place exactly what that is that Tuvok is holding.

Also, wow, Janeway (or rather, Kate Mulgrew) looks super-sexy in that shot. Voyager never let her look that good. Which is weird, considering that they added Seven of Nine to the show to try and boost the sex appeal.
 

StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
Paris with a printer, Chakotay with a webcam, Janeway (in a phone booth?) with a cordless telephone... but I can't place exactly what that is that Tuvok is holding.
I'm gonna say a modem in his hand and phone cable to ethernet adapter hanging loose.

I don't know if those are even used anymore, it just phone lead into routers now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Paris with a printer, Chakotay with a webcam, Janeway (in a phone booth?) with a cordless telephone... but I can't place exactly what that is that Tuvok is holding.

Also, wow, Janeway (or rather, Kate Mulgrew) looks super-sexy in that shot. Voyager never let her look that good. Which is weird, considering that they added Seven of Nine to the show to try and boost the sex appeal.
Wasn't she against being used for sex appeal, wanted to be appreciated for her smarts and that's why there was friction when Jeri was brought on
 

Cheerilee

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,969
Wasn't she against being used for sex appeal, wanted to be appreciated for her smarts and that's why there was friction when Jeri was brought on
Kate Mulgrew might have been opposed to using her sex appeal (I'm not sure, even though I did just read the story again as a refresher), but I think part of it was that Jeri Ryan (who was hired to provide blatant sexualization) immediately dethroned Mulgrew as the star character on the show. It kind of muddies the issue.

I just feel like... if the show wanted to be sexier, then it could've let Janeway loosen up and let her hair down a little bit earlier, but Rick Berman was supposedly telling people like Garret Wang and Robert Beltran to "act more wooden" because future-Humans are more evolved than regular Humans, and have fewer emotions. Only aliens like Neelix and Tuvok were allowed to emote (oh wait, not Tuvok, so just Neelix).

It just struck me as weird that Voyager needed to drop a sex-bomb on the set, when Kate Mulgrew could pull off such a beautiful look. And it's not like that linked photo is particularly sexualized, Kate Mulgrew's just like... smiling. (Also note, Robert Duncan McNeill looks positively giddy. Voyager was just way too stuffy.)

But then again, this is the franchise that introduced "decon chambers" in Enterprise. They might have dropped a sex-bomb on Voyager because they don't know the meaning of the word "subtle".

(I also just remembered Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes talking about how TNG tried to push them to lose weight and be more sexualized, and how Troi's whole character was based around her wardrobe, and Terry Farrell on DS9 talking about how Rick Berman would talk openly about her tits.)
 

Pluto

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,461
I started watching Voyager a bit sooner than I planned but here I am halfway through season 2.

So far...not really feeling it. Granted the previous 2 shows weren't winners at this point either. In terms of characters, there's a lot of dull ones. Robert Picardo as the Doctor is fun and Kes is a nice compassionate soul to counter the Doctor's bluntness. I go back and forward on how I feel about Neelix; his relationship with Kes is cute until he started being jealous which was just annoying to watch. Chakotay has a nice calming presence. Janeway has a wonderful actress and I'm interested in seeing a captain making tough decisions in order to survive. Torres has the potential to be an interesting character. Tuvok is fine. Kim and Paris are boring, with Paris being the mandatory horny character.

Speaking of which, the previous episode had Paris and Janeway evolve into giant salamanders who then fucked and produced salamander children. And now in the episode I'm currently watching, they're investigating a murder of a Mr. Darwin. You already murdered Darwin with your stupid understanding of evolution. At least Brad Dourif is in this episode. Brad Dourif is great.
It gets better in season 3 and then much better in season 4, it actually has a lot of great episodes that are among Star Trek's best, some of the highest highs but also some of the lowest lows are part of Voyager, it was never as consistent as TNG but was more willing to take some risks and knew how to have fun, as much as I love TNG it was a bit stuffy.

I just looked at an online transcript, and beaming Dr. Pulaski out was not mentioned, but clearly it never would have worked.

Data was powning all of the Sherlock Holmes videogames, so Geordi used his authority to make the computer make "an adversary capable of defeating Data".

Since Data is capable of exploiting the ship's computer to an insane degree, Moriarty (backed by the ship's computer) must also be capable of that much, and more.

The computer switched off the safety protocols, since those give Data an advantage. Data tries to cheat the game by turning off the holodeck. Ship's computer: "LOL no." Data runs to Captain Picard. Moriarty wants to get Captain Picard's attention, so he creates a lever which "momentarily transfers attitude and stabilization control to the holodeck".

The transporters are computer-controlled, so I guarantee those would not have worked. That's cheating and the computer would have automatically blocked it.
It way always silly that the computer would actually create such a character and put people and ultimately the entire ship at risk just because Geordie said so with not even the captain being able to override. That means anyone could walk into the holodeck, say "create a character that can take control of the ship and is 100% loyal to me and no one else" and the computer would just make *beeb boop* sounds and do it. If the Maquis had been a bit smarter starfleet sympathizers could have delivered dozens of starships to them in a few days if they had coordinated their efforts.
 

chrominance

Sky Van Gogh
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm also guessing Voyager was victim to the gender politics of its day, when Strong Female Characters were still defined in part by their adherence to traits traditionally perceived as male, or at least not as female (i.e. being sexy). (This is obviously different from the Kate Beaton school of Strong Female Characters, which feels like a later development?) So it wouldn't surprise me if Berman and co. also wanted Janeway to remain resolutely unsexy because they thought it would undermine her authority as a Captain or something. I'm sure it was well-meaning, at least on some surface level, but it was obviously a form of overreaction.

Anyways, back to that collage: what the hell was that photo shoot even FOR?
 

firehawk12

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,211


Noticed another random Star Trek fan film that just came out recently... which I assume they put out despite whatever the rules against fan films because they've probably been working on this for years. lol
 

StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
The fan film rules were total bullshit and will continue to be broken by fans. There's been a few released since that break the rules. That said this goes heavy with the IP use even using actual Trek music. Can see it getting taken down.
 

StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
I've seen a few of the fan ones and they are all terrible, not sure the legal trouble is worth it
A few are OK, some have great visuals for fan projects but it almost always the acting that really makes it hard to watch.

Axanar being so competent with hiring professional (and well loved sci-fi) actors on top of good production values and being pretty much the only one that needs follow the rules sucks.
 

tryagainlater

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,251
I have crossed the Rubicon. I have witnessed the Tuvix episode and can finally have an opinion on something I feel I have heard so much about exclusively on this website...

...

I don't think I can stand with Janeway on this one. But she does seem to feel bad about it. I've heard people talk about Janeway like she's a completely uncaring person who makes horrible decisions with zero remorse and perhaps she gets more like that as the show goes on or it's an episodic TV problem where characters go through some momentous shit and it's never brought up again after the episode ends.

But I really cannot stand with Janeway on this one. Dude was literally begging for his life.
 

Rassilon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,593
UK
I fucking loved ST:Continues. Then Vic had to Vic it up.
You know, i think it might have been gushing about it in this thread and then another poster let me know the deal with Vic... yeesh!


Anyway, I really am enjoying Lower Decks.

I can see why some folk dislike the juvenile humour, but I genuinely enjoy the characters a lot.
There's also something very refreshing about the simple A/B plot of each episode.

Maybe it's just hitting all my nostalgia buttons
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,497
I feel like the only really quality fan films I've seen are 40k ones, and even then it's all animated stuff. People just tend to have way more ambition than they can actually muster resources to match.
 

tryagainlater

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,251
Robert Picardo and Brad Dourif taking back Voyager from the Kazon is something I can get behind. The Sulu episode was also fun. There's been some decent episodes of Voyager thus far.
 

Fuzzy

Completely non-threatening
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,137
Toronto
I have crossed the Rubicon. I have witnessed the Tuvix episode and can finally have an opinion on something I feel I have heard so much about exclusively on this website...

...

I don't think I can stand with Janeway on this one. But she does seem to feel bad about it. I've heard people talk about Janeway like she's a completely uncaring person who makes horrible decisions with zero remorse and perhaps she gets more like that as the show goes on or it's an episodic TV problem where characters go through some momentous shit and it's never brought up again after the episode ends.

But I really cannot stand with Janeway on this one. Dude was literally begging for his life.
Now judge everyone that thinks she was right. lol