At least you could sorta explain it in universe that the disco crew wants to stick around with who they know, it still hasn't been that long since they came from the past.
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Star Trek: Discovery - Season 4 | Now Shrooming on Paramount+
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I feel like this is the one Trek crew that actually has a logical, in universe reason to stay together long term on the same ship. If they were reassigned to other ships, they'd have a steep learning curve with the 32nd century technology*. Conversely, anyone assigned to Discovery to replace them would likely struggle with the ancient technology that Discovery still contains. Real world, it would be like taking crew off of a Middle Ages galleon and swapping them with the crew of a modern destroyer. Both sets of sailors would struggle in that situation.
* Yes, I know that Discovery has been upgraded significantly, but it's still a 23rd century ship with stuff grafted onto it. Plus, it has a unique drive that people in the 32nd century are only beginning to understand and replicate.
That would be interesting.
I hope it's not some Thanos-like character with intentions to restore balance to the universe, behind it driving these actions.
Yeah, it makes sense. I'm sure there's also a Fast and Furious "we're family" thing too. lol
Assuming everyone on the ship got a promotion (and imagine being the one person who DOESN'T get a promotion?), it's going to be a really top heavy ship though. You'll have Captains doing Lower Decks duty soon enough!
I think they might have gone overboard with the 5 light year size. V'Ger was 85 AUs in the The Motion Picture.
A Light Year is 64,500 AU, so the anomaly is three hundred and twenty thousand times the size of V'Ger.
Looks amazing though. The eye of an angry god.
That's a walnut.
End of S3
He uses his empath abilities to communicate with the spore drive to get the Discovery from fed HQ back to the nebula. Stamets was jettisoned off the Discovery lol.
OMG you read my mind lol. It looks like a walnut shell to me too.
I'm having a hard time watching the show this season. It;s like they doubled down on what made the show a mess to begin with. Discovery needs to chill the hell down with constant set piece action sequences and aggro characterizations. Why is everyone mad all the time? Detmer is the only normal person on board, Everyones got a napoleon complex lol.
I have a hard time following the reasons they do things on the show. Everyone on the ship seems to be a top level scientist and they all chime in at the same time finishing each others sentences with some scientific nonsense. It's so friggin' annoying. At least on the older shows it was kinda believable the way the pulled it off.
I see thanks. A lot happens in Discovery finale so it can get hard to remember.
I think so. While it's possible for black holes to be that large in principle. It's improbable. From what I understand if a black hole had the same mass as the entire mass of milkyway it'd still be only half a light-year in diameter. So this thing has a mass of 10 milkyway, which is a bit ridiculous lol.I think they might have gone overboard with the 5 light year size. V'Ger was 85 AUs in the The Motion Picture.
A Light Year is 64,500 AU, so the anomaly is three hundred and twenty thousand times the size of V'Ger.
Looks amazing though. The eye of an angry god.
Yea I'd enjoy the show a lot more if the deck dialogue was a bit slower. It ends up being too fast with people completing each other's sentences and it sort of makes their roles blend in and makes specialisations moot.
Season 2 of discovery was a bit better in this area as science specialisation was mostly Spock's territory.
star trek was never really scientifically accurate not sure why people expect it to be now lol and it seems they're doing the instagram log thing again thankfully memory alpha has the transcripts so need to enter zuck's domain
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Star Trek: Discovery Logs
Star Trek: Discovery Logs is a social media companion to Discovery season three and four. Launched on 8 October 2020, the account consists of weekly personal logs of the crew of the USS Discovery and Federation officials in short videos released to the social media website Instagram. Star Trek...
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I liked the episode. For better or worse this season is shaping out the way I was hoping Discovery would be when it was first announced. Star Trek, but with too many 2020 tropes. Before it was a little to grim, and dark, and oppressive feeling. This feels lighter. But with typical modern day bombastic feel to, which I was expecting.
Remember, it's a medical doctor who lived his life before Picard was born. So there is no reason for him to know Picard at all. It was just a footnote when reading about the android body.
Ha! To each their own. I think they removed almost all of the stuff that made it feel un-Trek to me. It feel more Trek, but with the nonsense modern action stuff that is everywhere these days. I think it's a step up.
It wasn't believable in the old shows. I like that they have to work together. Rather than having an engineer be an expert on everything, and the science officer being an expert on all science, etc. Here you have the head people diagnose and isolate the problem, and the team brings their individual training, education and experiences to bear on problem.
No, even specialists need to work together. Even today, specialists are highly specialized. There is too much for one person to be a science specialist and no everything. Too much for one person to be a physics specialist. It makes sense you would have a group of people working together bringing their expertise to the larger group to set the right course, so to speak.
Heck, even making vaccines requires people of differing specialities working together. One person cannot do it all. And if it was even remotely possible for one person to know all 32nd century engineer OR science, they would still need other perspectives or other people to catch what they missed.
I expect it to keep an eye on the science because they always did that. TNG when they broke the rules I felt they knew the rules. On ENT or Voyager, I didn't think they cared. But more importantly, I like it to be internally consistent. Make up your own rules but then follow them, which they didn't in the end of 90s era Trek.
Anyway, they are doing okay this season, except for the flame throwers.
Remember, it's a medical doctor who lived his life before Picard was born. So there is no reason for him to know Picard at all. It was just a footnote when reading about the android body.
Ha! To each their own. I think they removed almost all of the stuff that made it feel un-Trek to me. It feel more Trek, but with the nonsense modern action stuff that is everywhere these days. I think it's a step up.
It wasn't believable in the old shows. I like that they have to work together. Rather than having an engineer be an expert on everything, and the science officer being an expert on all science, etc. Here you have the head people diagnose and isolate the problem, and the team brings their individual training, education and experiences to bear on problem.
No, even specialists need to work together. Even today, specialists are highly specialized. There is too much for one person to be a science specialist and no everything. Too much for one person to be a physics specialist. It makes sense you would have a group of people working together bringing their expertise to the larger group to set the right course, so to speak.
Heck, even making vaccines requires people of differing specialities working together. One person cannot do it all. And if it was even remotely possible for one person to know all 32nd century engineer OR science, they would still need other perspectives or other people to catch what they missed.
I expect it to keep an eye on the science because they always did that. TNG when they broke the rules I felt they knew the rules. On ENT or Voyager, I didn't think they cared. But more importantly, I like it to be internally consistent. Make up your own rules but then follow them, which they didn't in the end of 90s era Trek.
Anyway, they are doing okay this season, except for the flame throwers.
Excellent start to the season. I have quibbles. But quibbles rhyme with tribbles. I'd rather not breed them.
The actors continue to rock. The characters are so easy to care about. I hope this goes another three seasons.
The actors continue to rock. The characters are so easy to care about. I hope this goes another three seasons.
A shell that's 5 light year in diameter? Federation can't do anything like that.
Based on what they discovered it sounds like it's not a black hole.
Its not VOD. You tune in at 9pm or you miss it. Its shown again today and tomorrow so two more choices.
or its on itunes for £19.99 for the season or £2.49 per episode
My money is on it being alive but unaware/unknowing of destruction. It's just a creature from another reality/universe exploring without any knowledge its movements are destructive
No evil plan, no evil thing, bring up the philosophical Trek tales of what to do with an innocent creature unaware
oh ffs :(
Do you know what time today and tomorrow ? My app only shows till 3pm
think its 9pm both days
edit: https://intl.startrek.com/news/star...r-lands-on-paramount-pluto-tv-internationally
I don't know if watching an episode while exercising turns off my nitpicking instincts or what, but I actually really liked that episode. It's a whole lot of people trying to be emotionally available for each other and in some cases actually *gasp* forming new relationships with one another! It was just very sweet and I was happy to see it.
I do think the writers are at least acknowledging that Michael as captain has to at least think about decisions differently than Michael the fixer/operative, though that storyline doesn't feel fully formed yet. It was nice to have Michael on the opposite side of that dynamic for once; I admit to a little Schadenfreude. Yeah, the thing they have Book do in the episode is a well worn Star Trek cliche but whatever, I'm okay with it.
There is a part of me that wishes this anomaly wasn't so... anomalous. I think this episode did a pretty good job of treating an (assumed) known phenomenon as a danger nevertheless, as opposed to generating all of the dramatic tension from the fact that it IS unknown in nature. It would be kind of neat to have an arc or even an entire season that's just Discovery and the Federation in disaster response mode, understanding what's coming and trying to pull as many people as possible out of harm's way. But I guess even now the mystery isn't necessarily the central concern exactly, so that can still happen.
Did they though? I mean, they acknowledge it, but I don't feel like there's a solid justification beyond "Saru didn't feel like it." I guess it's enough for everyone involved, but tbh with how many scenes they had with Tilly and Saru and how there seems to be something unspoken between them (or maybe just from Tilly's side) I wonder if they'll eventually talk about how both their roles have changed since season 3.
I do think the writers are at least acknowledging that Michael as captain has to at least think about decisions differently than Michael the fixer/operative, though that storyline doesn't feel fully formed yet. It was nice to have Michael on the opposite side of that dynamic for once; I admit to a little Schadenfreude. Yeah, the thing they have Book do in the episode is a well worn Star Trek cliche but whatever, I'm okay with it.
There is a part of me that wishes this anomaly wasn't so... anomalous. I think this episode did a pretty good job of treating an (assumed) known phenomenon as a danger nevertheless, as opposed to generating all of the dramatic tension from the fact that it IS unknown in nature. It would be kind of neat to have an arc or even an entire season that's just Discovery and the Federation in disaster response mode, understanding what's coming and trying to pull as many people as possible out of harm's way. But I guess even now the mystery isn't necessarily the central concern exactly, so that can still happen.
Did they though? I mean, they acknowledge it, but I don't feel like there's a solid justification beyond "Saru didn't feel like it." I guess it's enough for everyone involved, but tbh with how many scenes they had with Tilly and Saru and how there seems to be something unspoken between them (or maybe just from Tilly's side) I wonder if they'll eventually talk about how both their roles have changed since season 3.
When he's on the bridge he's referred to as Captain Saru by an officer, who then referes to Burnhum as Captain and it caused confusion after which Burnham says "Mr. Saru" and he accepts.
Saru is on an assignment and not just visiting, so he's going to be there on the bridge for a while, so there needs to be a clarity on who the crew means when they say Captain. And while they are both Captains, this is Burnham's ship.
Ofourse they couod also just address them as Captain Saru and Captain Burnham each time, which is what would happen in real Navy but then this is Star Trek where Mr. is known to be acceptable as well
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I get weirded out whenever there's any talks of science/tech among Discovery's crew. Like, they're hundreds of years behind compared to the present days people so why are they the authority on science? Trying to predict where this anomaly might go? Why are people asking Tilly instead of whatever science officer from present days with hundred of years more advanced tech? I know Discovery crew is the main crew so I get it but it just feels weird every time still lol
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Oh, I was thinking more about why everyone's okay with Saru reporting to Michael when last year it was the other way around. I didn't realize you meant "how should we address you," as opposed to"why aren't you still our captain?"
Also they aren't really going to fully understand every geo(galactic)political situation that comes up like a fully trained Starfleet officer from the current time would. Has Dr Culber taken the time to fully understand all the new medical procedures and technologies from the past few centuries? Or how to treat species that they never encountered during the TOS era?
Like from what I understand Booker and Tal are the only characters on Discovery current from the 32nd century right, and only one of them is a Starfleet officer? Like Michael spent some time there before Discovery followed her and found her but that wasn't in Starfleet and she was working with Booker.
Starfleet sending out their only ship with a super advanced travel system that's beyond even what the Federation has in the 32nd century with 2 people from the current century just doesn't make any kind of sense.
Well that's easy.
Despite being the same rank, it's Michael's ship so unless there's an admiral coming in and relieving the captain, everyone onboard reports to the ship captain.
That's not really what I meant.
Saru was the captain of Discovery before he took his sabbatical. By all accounts, he did a good job and commanded the respect of the crew under him. Michael's track record is... not so great. The Federation president took her to task for not being a fantastic captain, and Saru removed Burnham from her XO position for obvious reasons, though of course later she regained the position along with Saru's trust.
You're telling me that Saru would come back to the ship he commanded, and not only not want command of that ship again, but act as the XO to an officer he previously had to reprimand fairly severely for a breach of command? Like, I can buy that Saru would be sort of okay with this because nothing really bothers Saru and he's not the type to agitate for a command. And I don't think Starfleet would be such assholes as to immediately revoke command of the Discovery from Burnham just because a better candidate's come along. But no one else in Starfleet thinks this is an issue at all? They don't think, hey, we have this very capable captain who managed quite a bit in his short time with us, boy we're in a bit of a pickle now that we've already given the ship to Burnham because we'd kinda sorta rather have him leading this super valuable ship whose drive technology we're still trying to reproduce for our fleet?
I mean, whatever, it's fine, it's not the most handwavy thing the show has done in terms of staffing (hello, first officer Ensign Tilly??!?) but I just don't think they really answer this question of why things are the way they are very well. Like, imagine if the CEO of a company resigned, then two years later came back and was like "you know what, I'm happy to just take a directorship, y'all just fit me in wherever you can"? Even if the former and current CEO are okay with this arrangement, you don't think that if there's a contentious decision, someone isn't going to look at Saru and say, "Captain, you would've made a different call, wouldn't you?"
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In terms of the crew, I kind of accept that they're the only ones who know how to run the ship because it's ancient tech... and maybe all the extras are new people that got added to the crew after everyone got promoted to Commander. lol
As for the Captain Saru thing, Captain Spock basically continued to serve as Kirk's unofficial first officer. Yeah, he was an Admiral in the first three movies, but by 5 they were both Captains after Kirk's demotion. There may be a question of why he'd want to come back, that he's afraid to be with new people because I assume he wouldn't have bothered if another ship was assigned to investigate this planet killing black hole, so maybe there's something more there.
As for the Captain Saru thing, Captain Spock basically continued to serve as Kirk's unofficial first officer. Yeah, he was an Admiral in the first three movies, but by 5 they were both Captains after Kirk's demotion. There may be a question of why he'd want to come back, that he's afraid to be with new people because I assume he wouldn't have bothered if another ship was assigned to investigate this planet killing black hole, so maybe there's something more there.
See the thing is, Saru is not the captain of Discovery anymore.
It doesn't matter what his record was and what Michael was like, Saru was discharged from discovery and is currently a captain without ship. He was offered a different ship but he took a temporary assignment in Discovery instead and while he's there Michael is still going to call the shots as at the end of the day it's her ship, Saru forfeit all privileges of being Discovery's skipper when he was discharged. She can't "order" Saru to do anything as they are the same rank but as a courtesy for being a guest officer he'd follow her commands like any captain would.
This is how it would work in real world too if a Captain of a ship gets reassigned and were to come back temporarily while there's already a Captain running the ship. It doesn't matter if the new Captain used to be a subordinate because in that moment they are equal rank with the only distinction being the new Captain is THE Captain of the ship while the old Captain is just on an assignment. The crew would not take commands from the old Captain unless pre authorised by the new Captain.
Ofcourse this means they've written themseleves in a corner as having Saru stick around for like 3 more seasons just following Michael would be odd. And him leaving would mean they lose one of the stronger main cast members.
Maybe I'm just not thinking about it from a sufficiently military perspective or something, as I don't have any experience serving. But it feels like a situation that could create needless conflict. Like, yeah, by the rules governing Starfleet, Burnham is the captain and that's not really in question, but also it kind of WAS a question even from the perspective of decorum and ceremony (should we address you as captain while you're on the ship?). Imagine if there is a genuine issue where Saru and Burnham have conflicting ideas of how to proceed in a tough situation, and Burnham pulls her usual "we're doing it my way even though it's a huge gamble" schtick. Even if Saru doesn't actually move to contradict her (because he's a good XO and would probably keep those concerns mostly private), you have to imagine the crew's loyalties might be divided at that point?
Michael should never have become the Captain. It serves little purpose really (yea I know they are going with the reckless captain route but still that comes at a cost of Saru being in this weird situation, and it's not worth it). It's just odd that Saru leaves in Discovery Season 3 finale and decides to comes back in Season 4 premier...except he now doesn't have a ship despite being a Captain and main cast.
That said I believe a Captain can dismiss another Captain from what I remember about Trek.
The crew would be duty bound to follow Burnham at that point. And Saru would have to bring it up to Burnham privately, which he would given his character.
That said I believe a Captain can dismiss another Captain from what I remember about Trek.
I haven't seen classic Trek so how much more advanced were Starfleet between Discovery's time and the present? I assume things haven't progressed much since the Burn. I'm not sure how much time has passed since the start of last sesaon but I assume the crew have all had to train in their areas of expertise to get up to speed with the latest developments.
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No, she can give him orders, they have the same rank but as the commanding officer her position gives her authority.