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Oct 27, 2017
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Saru not immediatly wanting a proper check on the computer was weird as fuck, even if he did suspect that it might be the Sphere. Otherwise a great ep.
Saru being way too trusting to obvious bad faith actors has been a thing this season. I think they are setting him up for a big redemption later somehow but idk.... or they just forgot about his backstory. But he has been a fun character for me to roll my eyes at in a traditional dumb star trek kinda way.
 

Skyfireblaze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Then show and explain the changes. The amount of off-screen character and world development in these shows is ludicrous.

As much as I like this episode, season and the show as a whole this I can agree with. It's the same with Saru and the computer. I know logically it wouldn't be wise to try a full computer shutdown and diagnosis because we saw in Season 2 that the Sphere Data is very self-protecting so I'm sure the crew even trying to diagnose and shut down the mainframe would have caused some defensive reaction by Discovery's systems. So Saru not doing it makes logical sense although they should have dedicated one short scene to it where Saru goes over this with the crew.
 

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Hey remember when DS9 touched on and then later Enterprise explained Klingon changes? So good.
😑 don't remind me the klingon augment virus was such a stupid plot point trying to ''justify'' the brown face low-fi klingon from TOS the entire thing belongs in the trash
 
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Entryhazard

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Oct 25, 2017
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Saru being way too trusting to obvious bad faith actors has been a thing this season. I think they are setting him up for a big redemption later somehow but idk.... or they just forgot about his backstory. But he has been a fun character for me to roll my eyes at in a traditional dumb star trek kinda way.
Kelpiens become bolder after undergoing the Vahar'ai because they lose the threat ganglia
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I like that this season used the year in between to allow michael to actually grow more emotions than just concern and despair
it's really nice seeing SMG display a wider range of emotions

i was surprised when the ship suddenly upgraded itself and saru totally rolled with it like it was about as interesting as getting a coupon in the mail
 

Alexandros

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hey remember when DS9 touched on and then later Enterprise explained Klingon changes? So good.

A production change that didn't need to be explained isn't the same as proper character and world development. You would have a point if I was complaining that Discovery (the ship) looks more modern than TOS-era Enterprise and demanding an in-universe explanation.
 

Psittacus

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Oct 27, 2017
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I feel like joining with your lover's symbiont would be a big no-no in Trill culture and I'm disappointed it never came up around the other Trill
 

kVH2LpZd

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Retrospective, the dinner scene was a bit too forced in a way that I thought temporarily they had contracted some emotion- or truth-enhancing virus.

I also think the tensions were never really explained or built up properly other than Stamets making PTSD-faces since Episode 2.
 

milamber182

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Dec 15, 2017
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I enjoyed the first 2 seasons a lot, even the stuff with Pike/Spock despite never watching any Trek but the recent movies. This season is even better.

The last episode was amazing. So many beautiful scenes with Adira. She's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters on the show.
 

milamber182

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Dec 15, 2017
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Really good episode, however it is a bit yikes that Trek's first trans character is already dead before their introduction... at least he seems like he's still going to be a character, even in death.
But uh, are they going to establish that Adira is non binary? Because so far they've only been referred to as female.

Does it really count if the character died in the show's past? It's not like the character was introduced as an alive character in the present then killed off.

Star Trek Discovery Actor Explains Why Adira Was Addressed By Wrong Pronouns

There is little doubt that one of the most exciting things about Star Trek: Discovery Season 3 i...
 
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Entryhazard

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like joining with your lover's symbiont would be a big no-no in Trill culture and I'm disappointed it never came up around the other Trill
so far the rule is that two hosts cannot enter a romantic relationship if their symbionts already had one with each other in previous hosts, to discourage two symbionts from permamently sticking together across lifespans as it would stifle the potential of progression with new experiences
taking your lover's symbiont doesn't have such long lasting consequences, you just add their memories to yours and I can understand you might deem that previous host more important, but every hosts plays favorites with their past lives anyway, Jadzia too was all about Curzon because they had to deal with each other before he died and made her a klingaboo, while Ezri was less enthusiastic about those two
 
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Chiaroscuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Adira's boyfriend death scene was dumb. His condition didn't look that severe (a punctured abdomen) specially considering over a 1000 years ahead medicine.

Adira since her first scene clicked the wrong way on me, she acted like Wesley 2.0.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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At least the Borg in Enterprise made perfect sense right....?
I think they actually did that well as a one time never to be used again thing.
I think Adira's boyfriend death scene was dumb. His condition didn't look that severe (a punctured abdomen) specially considering over a 1000 years ahead medicine.

Adira since her first scene clicked the wrong way on me, she acted like Wesley 2.0.
Wasn't that the same injury Stamets just dealt with as well?
 

TeenageFBI

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Oct 25, 2017
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Retrospective, the dinner scene was a bit too forced in a way that I thought temporarily they had contracted some emotion- or truth-enhancing virus.
Yeah, the bizarre computer scene preceding it + the pilot girl being off for the last few episodes had me thinking there was some Star Trekky explanation for the crew's behavior at the dinner.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Adira's boyfriend dying felt like it happened as a hasty plot mechanic and didn't have much emotional impact for me. It will be interesting to see how they develop that relationship going forward.

I thought that the episode was pretty good but the only standout moments were really the ending with the previous hosts of the Tal symbiont and Saru's dinner scene with the crew even though it did veer into typical hamfisted and overly dramatic Discovery territory.

And god damn, Michelle Yeoh just chews up the scenery in every single fucking scene. I absolutely love her and the character of Georgiou.
 

Timbuktu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Retrospective, the dinner scene was a bit too forced in a way that I thought temporarily they had contracted some emotion- or truth-enhancing virus.

I also think the tensions were never really explained or built up properly other than Stamets making PTSD-faces since Episode 2.

I only thought it felt a bit weird because Stamets seemed extra nice and supportive to Adira last episode and everyone was so happy around that tree.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
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So far I have enjoyed this season a lot, but I'll be honest I am struggling to get excited for it right now. It seems like the plots are fine, but they also feel kind of disposable.

Hopefully when we get to starfleet next week we start seeing this universe opening up. I realise the isolated states are part of the point, but I do kind of miss these big empires grating against each other.
 

Joeytj

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Oct 30, 2017
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Enjoyed this episode a lot, mostly because of the thrill of seeing Trill, and Trills. Don't know why they didn't just make Adira a Trill herself? Maybe they saw that would make her story too similar to Ezri's, about a young Trill woman that recieved a symbiont without being ready for it.

But, whatever. They solved the issue of her being human well-enough.

The b-plot –Saru's and the crew's struggle to cope with their situation– was also good. Although I'm not sure I know or care where Detmer's trauma plot is going. After this episode, It doesn't look like it has anything to do with Control or something else sinister, so I don't get why they made a big deal of her weirdness to begin with.

Really looking forward to the next episode and finally seeing Starfleet and the Federation. I'm glad they didn't take the entire season to get there.
 

JDSN

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Oct 27, 2017
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Really liked this episode, i'm glad the crew is getting some chance to explore their stuff and you can tell Philippa is gonna get in some Shape of Water business soon.
 

Therion

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Adira's boyfriend death scene was dumb. His condition didn't look that severe (a punctured abdomen) specially considering over a 1000 years ahead medicine.
I don't recall the exact details of what happened, but I'm just going to assume that injuries to a joined Trill might present additional problems, especially when isolated from the symbiont specialists on their home world.
 

chrominance

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Oct 25, 2017
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Episode was okay. I think the second half works better for me than the first, for most of the reasons people have already mentioned. Was honestly pretty concerned about the whole Trill parts of the episode but in the end I think that stuff worked pretty well. I do think Discovery still has this problem of feeling small--with the Trill, for example, it feels like the entire society is maybe 12 people. Seems kind of weird. I also find it weird that Saru's placid about the ship potentially becoming sentient or whatever, but on the other hand I'm also very okay with this being a relatively benign plot point and not, like, Control asserting control over the ship. Nefarious intelligence infecting the ship is a pretty well-worn trope and I'm 100% okay with not having to look over my shoulder for it here.

Stamets being a dick was kind of shitty and I'm not totally sure how I feel about this being a plot point that's likely to only cover two episodes (I presume his whole return-to-duty plotline with Jett is part of this character arc), but whatever. I am more interested in Detmer not handling things well, and I appreciate that this leads to some genuinely un-Roddenberry-like conflict in the crew. That said, the haiku thing was... weird? Like, it doesn't feel like her giving Stamets shit because that's a really fucked up way to do it, but it also feels simultaneously too on the nose AND out of left field as a manifestation of PTSD? I dunno. In general I think the discussion about the crew's mental health is a really interesting thread. I hope the writers don't drop the idea of the crew suffering serious morale/PTSD problems, but I'm 50-50 on whether they'll actually stick with it or not.

And yeah, please no more references to the 20th century, dear god. I'm not sure if they chose Buster Keaton clips because it's in the public domain or something but I had flashbacks to B'Elanna giving Paris an antique TV that only plays Saturday morning cartoons from the 60s as a present. Can't stand that shit.
 

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I read an interview with Adira's actor where they said that using female pronouns in their first episode was definitely a conscious choice, so I expect it to be addressed as the season goes on.

Now introducing Trek's first transgender character as someone who is already dead... I expect there will be some interesting responses to that.
Yeah. Being Trill and a combination of everyone the symbiont has ever been is likely what leads Adira to a non-binary identity. She hadnt corrected anyone until visiting Trill. I suspect thats coming next.
 

Invictus

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Oct 25, 2017
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This season is fantastic so far. They seemed to have listened to people's complaints.
Everyone isn't at 11 every second.
The camera isn't circling people talking just to make it exciting.
Characters are getting time to develop.
The plot is slowed down and has a chance to breath.
The main protagonist isn't nearly up her own ass as she has been. And is now almost...likable?
It's not perfect, but what a huge improvement over the last 2 seasons. Let's hope it keeps going that way.
 

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episode 3 stamets log


episode 4 culber log


linus is crushing hard for georgiou lol
 
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mozbar

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Feb 20, 2018
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Just got to Ep 3. This season feels like a better version of Mass Effect Andromeda so far.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm surprised Lt. Nilsson (had to look it up) was even in the dinner scene, I saw some video on twitter though that said Frakes has been including her in shots for a reason so I imagine we might see more of her later.
 

Wrexis

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Nov 4, 2017
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Voyager reference!!

Oh man, my ship senses are tingling.

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Wrexis

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Nov 4, 2017
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Seriously fantastic episode. They're knocking it out of the park these days.

My only complaint is perhaps too much fanservice but it also was 20 years overdue.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Terrific episode.

Considering they bumped Rachel Anchaeril up to main cast this season, I'll be pretty surprised if we don't hear more from Nhan within the next few episodes.
 

lorddarkflare

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Oct 25, 2017
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Best episode of the season. One of the best of the show period.

A solid amount of character work all around. Manageable stakes.

Honestly, I have not been frothing at the mouth for Classic Trek, and have liked this show's path, but it is nice to go back to your roots every now and again.
 

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Oct 24, 2017
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"Our AI's have evolved quite a bit since your day" he says, while there's an AI in the room that sounds and acts less human than either Data or The Doctor ever did.