Star Trek Discovery - Season 2 |OT| Exploration is logical

[tsmoreau]

TOS has old age gods appearing all the time.
TOS Movies asked what does God need with a starship.
The Picard was a religious figure.

Discovery does this once and you're calling it out?

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It's the tone and approach. The how not the what. The focus on presentation over depth.

Disco has been a by the numbers drama with generic sci if tropes at best, a strung out poorly plotted theological tract at worst.

It's just supremely unchallenging material at the end of the day.

The characters are shallow, if well acted. And I think that could description could be extended to the show at large, essentially.

Feels so much like production values went up and script sophistication went waaay down.

 

[Wag]

Holy shit. I got Netflix working with my VPN and I'm watching the current episode in Dolby Vision. This show is the best looking show ever produced by far.

 

[MHWilliams]

Feels so much like Ronald Moore and all his religious influence is here in full force. At least the damn bajorian religion crap was largely backstory in DS9.

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It was?

Did we watch the same Deep Space Nine?

 

[Deleted member 14568]

maybe tsmoreau is from the mirror universe :P

 

[DrForester]

I'm loving this season so far, and how well the writers have done having an overreaching narrative, but every episode feels wholly it's own.

I hope the Red Angel reveal doesn't let down. I figure it's going to tie into something we already know about.

I just hope it's not future-man from Enterprise.

Can anyone recommend some Youtubers similar to that Mr. Sci-Fi guy. I watched an episode video from a Nerdrotic but since then, my recommended videos seem to be edging towards the negative youtubers and my recommendations are now in "how Brie Larson's anti-white men" and "why Captain marvel's going to be a big disappointment" territory.

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Not youtube, but have you tried SFDebris?

https://sfdebris.com/index.php

 

[Spectromixer]

Holy shit. I got Netflix working with my VPN and I'm watching the current episode in Dolby Vision. This show is the best looking show ever produced by far.

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I wish CBS AA had that

 

[Wag]

I wish CBS AA had that

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Once the season is done invest a few dollars for a month with a VPN that supports a Netflix region with the show.

Netflix has cracked down pretty hard on VPNs so really the only way to get this to work is on a DV tv that supports casting. Luckily I have a Vizio.

 

[tsmoreau]

It was?

Did we watch the same Deep Space Nine?

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It gets way worse toward the end, I'm kinda dreading that part of my DS9 rewatch.

I don't mean to shit on Disco that much, it's just that the relatively poor production values of the older stuff lead to occasionally brilliant writing and world building, and while yeah, that stuff took seasons to develop before, and was relatively few and far between, this feels more like the balance went the other way, which isn't what I associate with Trek.

Like, there's no winking and acknowledgement of camp. It's just saccharine instead.

I mean, I like Mass Effect the show and all, but this last episode just rubbed wrong me in so many ways, especially considering the ridiculously high production quality of it all.

 

[aceface]

You've all seen the image floating around that pretty much confirms what the red angel is right?

 

[Ometeotl]

Uh-oh

 

[funky]

I haven't seen it but my expectations are it's Spock and if it's literally anything else I'm happy.

 

[aceface]

Well, I'm not gonna post it and ruin it for everyone. (also I just tried to find it and couldn't dig it up lol) Anyways, I love this season so far. The production values on this show are off the charts.

 

[DBT85]

Well, I'm not gonna post it and ruin it for everyone. (also I just tried to find it and couldn't dig it up lol) Anyways, I love this season so far. The production values on this show are off the charts.

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Thank you. Hopefully if anyone else does they spoiler it and people then don't just talk about it openly.

And I agree with you. Loving it. Huge trek fan.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

You've all seen the image floating around that pretty much confirms what the red angel is right?

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A woman?

 

[Typhon]

Everything is dealt with incredibly simplistically. Evolution? Simple. Culture? Even simpler.

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Star Trek has always had a poor grasp of evolution. See Dear Doctor, Genesis, Threshold and probably a few more I've forgotten. As for culture, Trek literally created the Planet of Hats trope.

 

[Himynameischris]

Also I think it was pretty obvious Saru was talking about personal growth when he was talking about evolving. Something he's going to struggle with now that he doesn't have fear as a constant trait.

 

[Deleted member 5028]

I hope the Red Angel reveal doesn't let down. I figure it's going to tie into something we already know about.

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Perhaps it's Pike. Maybe the last red burst ends up at the accident that left him crippled during the rescue attempt he makes.

 

[DBT85]

Also I think it was pretty obvious Saru was talking about personal growth when he was talking about evolving. Something he's going to struggle with now that he doesn't have fear as a constant trait.

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Indeed. Going from 25+ years of perpetual fear to losing it and getting an adrenaline injection is going to change who he is at times.

 

[Hegarol]

Can anyone recommend some Youtubers similar to that Mr. Sci-Fi guy. I watched an episode video from a Nerdrotic but since then, my recommended videos seem to be edging towards the negative youtubers and my recommendations are now in "how Brie Larson's anti-white men" and "why Captain marvel's going to be a big disappointment" territory.

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I really like "Trek on the tube". He is fond of DSC in general and his critisicm is on point. He also does Canon references at the end of every review.

 

[Paganmoon]

So on a recommendation to watch DS9 from DBT95 and others (Never having liked DS9, only ST show I've never fully watched), I've been going through some episodes, and one thing stood out that's been bothering me with Discovery, and that's the makeup for the alien species. Specifically around the mouth area, very clearly seen on Klingons and on Saru.
The masks used on Discovery go over peoples faces/mouths too much making them talking look really awkward, like puppets. You could argue that the kelpians look like that, but for Klingons it's the same. Anyone else bothered by this?

 

[Deleted member 5028]

So on a recommendation to watch DS9 from DBT95 and others (Never having liked DS9, only ST show I've never fully watched), I've been going through some episodes, and one thing stood out that's been bothering me with Discovery, and that's the makeup for the alien species. Specifically around the mouth area, very clearly seen on Klingons and on Saru.
The masks used on Discovery go over peoples faces/mouths too much making them talking look really awkward, like puppets. You could argue that the kelpians look like that, but for Klingons it's the same. Anyone else bothered by this?

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No. It would be weirder if they had human lips. Most species are translated via UT, so what their lips are saying isn't necessarily what you're hearing. The makeup helps disguise that

 

[Paganmoon]

No. It would be weirder if they had human lips. Most species are translated via UT, so what their lips are saying isn't necessarily what you're hearing. The makeup helps disguise that

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This was never an issue in any of the prior series. This to me is more of a production issue than any "in world" thing.
But I guess that answers my question if any one else is bothered by it.

 

[Deleted member 5028]

This was never an issue in any of the prior series. This to me is more of a production issue than any "in world" thing.
But I guess that answers my question if any one else is bothered by it.

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Nobody thought of it. Also they didn't have the budget or technology for advanced prosthetics. Disco has a similar level of production value to the TOS movies for that kind of thing. Your complaint is similar to "why doesn't this look like TOS".

 

[Effect]

I hope the Red Angel reveal doesn't let down. I figure it's going to tie into something we already know about.

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I think it's going to do that for some people no matter what. Especially those constantly trying to figure things like this out. It won't live up to the wildest speculation. This type of thing never does.

So on a recommendation to watch DS9 from DBT95 and others (Never having liked DS9, only ST show I've never fully watched), I've been going through some episodes, and one thing stood out that's been bothering me with Discovery, and that's the makeup for the alien species. Specifically around the mouth area, very clearly seen on Klingons and on Saru.
The masks used on Discovery go over peoples faces/mouths too much making them talking look really awkward, like puppets. You could argue that the kelpians look like that, but for Klingons it's the same. Anyone else bothered by this?

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Nope. It's always been something that annoyed me about past Trek shows, that many aliens were largely just humans with pieces on their forehead or sides of their faces. I know they were working on a TV make up budget but I've always wanted the aliens to look and sound more alien and Discovery has done that.

 

[F-Pina]

Midway through the last episode I totally thought that:

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The Ba'ul were just the Kelpiens in an evolved, violent stage. They went through the process of "evolving" but it was kept a secret. But no, they are just some black gooey species. Oh well.

 

[Volimar]

Midway through the last episode I totally thought that:

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The Ba'ul were just the Kelpiens in an evolved, violent stage. They went through the process of "evolving" but it was kept a secret. But no, they are just some black gooey species. Oh well.

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A couple of us had similar working theories.

 

[CreepingFear]

Yo, I thought when shields were up, you couldn't transport? No?

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Midway through the last episode I totally thought that:

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The Ba'ul were just the Kelpiens in an evolved, violent stage. They went through the process of "evolving" but it was kept a secret. But no, they are just some black gooey species. Oh well.

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I thought of that too. It would be an simpler explanation and better in my opinion.

Wonder how they will handle the new "predator" stance of Saru. Pike was quite patient with him this episode. "-Do you thing I will disobey orders?" That is exactly what you were doing in that moment, Saru. Pike had a lot of tact (showing his captain material, Kirk would start a fight 🤣)

 

[Quinton]

A couple of us had similar working theories.

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Yeah. I'm pretty glad it wasn't it. My roommates guessed it too.

 

[Himynameischris]

iOS only

 

[Spectromixer]

iOS only

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They have the black alert on there!

 

[Aiii]

iOS only

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Feels like 2001.

 

[Rassilon]

It's Captain Archer.

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Nah the Angel is definitely Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap.

Hey wait a minute...

 

[JonnyDBrit]

iOS only

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...That URL though...

 

[RyanPrime_]

That scene with Pike, Burnham and Tyler with the camera spinning nearly had me sick. Please dont let this director near again :(

 

[nekkid]

Yo, I thought when shields were up, you couldn't transport? No?

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Yeah they kinda fucked that bit up, didn't they? I thought Discovery had previously honoured that technicality.

 

[Skyfireblaze]

Yo, I thought when shields were up, you couldn't transport? No?

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Yeah they kinda fucked that bit up, didn't they? I thought Discovery had previously honoured that technicality.

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As some others and I mentioned on the previous page it actually makes more logical sense that it does work than not.

 

[nekkid]

As some others and I mentioned on the previous page it actually makes more logical sense that it does work than not.

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That's fine and all, but that's not the lore within the Star Trek universe.

 

[Deleted member 14568]

Yo, I thought when shields were up, you couldn't transport? No?

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Yeah they kinda fucked that bit up, didn't they? I thought Discovery had previously honoured that technicality.

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meh that trope was first introduced in the TOS episode A Taste of Armageddon and broken in the very same episode lol

That's fine and all, but that's not the lore within the Star Trek universe.

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they did it all the time in voyager not the mention in the TNG episode relics so at this point who cares

 

[Volimar]

I wonder how often the writers get tweeted at with regards to inconsistencies with established lore.

 

[Himynameischris]

I wonder how often the writers get tweeted at with regards to inconsistencies with established lore.

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I'd be off social media if I wrote for a big franchise like star trek lol

 

[CreepingFear]

Yeah they kinda fucked that bit up, didn't they? I thought Discovery had previously honoured that technicality.

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As some others and I mentioned on the previous page it actually makes more logical sense that it does work than not.

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meh that trope was first introduced in the TOS episode A Taste of Armageddon and broken in the very same episode lol





they did it all the time in voyager not the mention in the TNG episode relics so at this point who cares

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Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a purist, but that lore stuck with me for some reason.

 

[DBT85]

So on a recommendation to watch DS9 from DBT95 and others (Never having liked DS9, only ST show I've never fully watched), I've been going through some episodes, and one thing stood out that's been bothering me with Discovery, and that's the makeup for the alien species. Specifically around the mouth area, very clearly seen on Klingons and on Saru.
The masks used on Discovery go over peoples faces/mouths too much making them talking look really awkward, like puppets. You could argue that the kelpians look like that, but for Klingons it's the same. Anyone else bothered by this?

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You didn't mention that you think Sisko is an idiot lol. :P

 

[Skyfireblaze]

That's fine and all, but that's not the lore within the Star Trek universe.

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meh that trope was first introduced in the TOS episode A Taste of Armageddon and broken in the very same episode lol




they did it all the time in voyager not the mention in the TNG episode relics so at this point who cares

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Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a purist, but that lore stuck with me for some reason.

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Honestly I'm happy if they actually fix lore stuff the older series messed up but then again I'm not a purist either.

 

[StallionDan]

As some others and I mentioned on the previous page it actually makes more logical sense that it does work than not.

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Not really, being able to use weapons because you know the frequency doesn't mean a completely different and more complicated technology should.

 

[StallionDan]

I'll ask again, but how are Kelpians really the predator species when they are vegetarians and eat sea weed?

 

[Himynameischris]

I'll ask again, but how are Kelpians really the predator species when they are vegetarians and eat sea weed?

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They are vegetarians now...but maybe not 2000 years ago.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

I'll ask again, but how are Kelpians really the predator species when they are vegetarians and eat sea weed?

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Well, we don't know yet if tge Kelpians evolved are still vegetarians, the process can change that.

Also they may not be predators in the sense they eat the other species, but in the sense they compete for the same resources and kill for them.

 

[Guppeth]

I'll ask again, but how are Kelpians really the predator species when they are vegetarians and eat sea weed?

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Do they still only eat seaweed when they pass puberty, lose the ability to feel fear and gain the ability to fire nails out of their heads?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

They are vegetarians now...but maybe not 2000 years ago.

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The Ba'ul are the ones perpetuating the Great Balance and all, so heck, maybe they set dietary restrictions as well?

"No, no, you can't eat meat, that would be upsetting the Balance! Definitely do not do it, ever!"