Star Trek Discovery |OT| To Boldly go into the new streaming era

Pluto · Jan 8, 2019

Streaming gives them more freedom when it comes to episode lenghts but that of course includes episodes being shorter and I like that Discovery does that. The shortest episode was ep. 12 at 37 minutes, the longest were 49 minutes and all but two were longer than 40 minutes so the really short episodes didn't have content cut for time, they probably thought additional scenes weren't needed, created problems with pacing or whatever.

Spectromixer · Jan 8, 2019

Alex Kurtzman was quoted on saying that he see's Discovery lasting a long time. He also reiterated that canon will 'sync' up this season.
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/al...-star-trek-discovery-running-for-a-long-time/

Himynameischris · Jan 8, 2019

Sync up how...it's still like ~9 years before TOS.

Spectromixer · Jan 8, 2019

Himynameischris said:
Sync up how...it's still like ~9 years before TOS.

yeah that is kind of weird. I do wonder if something will happen and we will find out how the Discovery got abandoned in Calypso.

DrEvil · Jan 8, 2019

Spectromixer said:
Alex Kurtzman was quoted on saying that he see's Discovery lasting a long time. He also reiterated that canon will 'sync' up this season.
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/al...-star-trek-discovery-running-for-a-long-time/

showrunner sees his own show lasting long time.. breaking news at eleven.

Kidding aside, discovery is amazing and it better last a full 7 seasons.

I imagine the "Canon sync up" will be in terms of where known characters are expected to be and act.. not literally "Here's kirk on the enterprise!"

Soap · Jan 8, 2019

With legendary Star Trek hater Moonves now gone, anything is possible.

Shawndroid · Jan 8, 2019

Spectromixer said:
Alex Kurtzman was quoted on saying that he see's Discovery lasting a long time. He also reiterated that canon will 'sync' up this season.
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/al...-star-trek-discovery-running-for-a-long-time/

Himynameischris said:
Sync up how...it's still like ~9 years before TOS.

I assume he means anything that fans perceive and something that breaks cannon. Not that the time frames will meet. That the difference in canon will meet, like why Klingons are different here than in other series. (They recovery their dead.)

Sammex · Jan 8, 2019

Kschreck said:
They just never explained where Captain Lorca was so it legit confused me what was going on.

I definitely noticed this during my rewatch last week. I thought I fell asleep!

Effect · Jan 8, 2019

I've dreamed of Trek being expanded this way before and I'm so glad it's happening. I might not like all of it, I hope I do, but I feel this needs to happen. Trek deserves it and more people should be exposed to it. I'm hoping Discovery last for a long time. At least as long as the others.

Himynameischris · Jan 8, 2019

I'm doing a rewatch atm to get ready for season 2 and I'm enjoying it a lot more than the first time.

Quinton · Jan 8, 2019

What's sorta funny is that even if Discovery runs a Full Trek Seven Seasons (TM), supposing it gets a ballpark average of 14 episodes a season for five more years it will only surpass Enterprise's 98-episode run by one episode.

Times have changed.

berzeli · Jan 8, 2019

btw, I've decided to do the next thread as well since there didn't exactly seem to be anyone gunning for the job and I liked the visuals of the promo pics they've released for it.

Effect · Jan 8, 2019

berzeli said:
btw, I've decided to do the next thread as well since there didn't exactly seem to be anyone gunning for the job and I liked the visuals of the promo pics they've released for it.

Awesome! Thank you!!

Quinton · Jan 8, 2019

berzeli said:
btw, I've decided to do the next thread as well since there didn't exactly seem to be anyone gunning for the job and I liked the visuals of the promo pics they've released for it.

Cool, thanks!

In the future I think I'd love/be honored to try my hand at making one of the other upcomingTrek series' threads... but I'd need tons of help on the graphics design front so I'm not sure I'd be worthy, really. I'd just love to write it and plan it all out.

Spectromixer · Jan 8, 2019

berzeli said:
btw, I've decided to do the next thread as well since there didn't exactly seem to be anyone gunning for the job and I liked the visuals of the promo pics they've released for it.

Thanks! A little over a week left 😊

Himynameischris · Jan 8, 2019

Forgot to post this here

Spectromixer · Jan 9, 2019

Some new posters

http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/another-wave-of-star-trek-discovery-season-2-posters/

Pluto · Jan 9, 2019

Michelle Yeoh is all over the promo materials, is she a series regular in season 2?

Himynameischris · Jan 9, 2019

The tag line being "Exploration is Logical" better actually mean something considering the complaints about season 1.

golem · Jan 9, 2019

Pluto said:
Michelle Yeoh is all over the promo materials, is she a series regular in season 2?

Could be that Section 31 is operating a concurrent investigation with the intent to figure out how to weaponize or ally with the red angels

Kschreck · Jan 9, 2019

Here is my theory, simple fun speculation:

The red angel is really the Borg queen hellbent on assimulating all life in the universe and they will explain this not breaking cannon by being a Section 31 matter that most of Starfleet doesn't know about until Picards eventual encounter with Borg. Defintely some hints in all the previews and trailers to support this in my opinion.

Thoughts?

Himynameischris · Jan 9, 2019

Kschreck said:
Here is my theory, simple fun speculation:

The red angel is really the Borg queen hellbent on assimulating all life in the universe and they will explain this not breaking cannon by being a Section 31 matter that most of Starfleet doesn't know about until Picards eventual encounter with Borg. Defintely some hints in all the previews and trailers to support this in my opinion.

Thoughts?

That would be awful, they already shoe-horned the borg into Enterprise (which worked, I'll be honest, but still) We need something new.

golem · Jan 9, 2019

Himynameischris said:
That would be awful, they already shoe-horned the borg into Enterprise (which worked, I'll be honest, but still) We need something new.

Yeah im hoping its something new and out of left field (but it will prob be iconians or something)

Kschreck · Jan 10, 2019

Ok I am actually thinking this season two theory is sound:

https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...heories-about-the-season-2-trailers-red-angel

So what do you guys think? This seems a lot more plausible then my previous theory.

Mr. Pointy · Jan 10, 2019

Kschreck said:
So what do you guys think? This seems a lot more plausible then my previous theory.

I'm like 99% sure that the Red Angel is related to what is in that link.

Tukarrs · Jan 10, 2019

The other popular idea is that the Red Angels are somehow related to Red Matter, and is related to the Kelvin Timeline. (And hence the reciprocal nature would 'sync up' with canon." It gives the idea for Spock to use Red Matter in the first place.)

Penny Royal · Jan 10, 2019

VitalNonsense said:
Nobody would really mind if they quietly retconned the struts between seasons.

I for one would never watch Trek again, and burn all my memorabilia in a YouTube protest for the ages.

Spectromixer · Jan 10, 2019

Kschreck said:
Ok I am actually thinking this season two theory is sound:

https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...heories-about-the-season-2-trailers-red-angel

So what do you guys think? This seems a lot more plausible then my previous theory.

That's a really cool theory.

StallionDan · Jan 10, 2019

Kschreck said:
Here is my theory, simple fun speculation:

The red angel is really the Borg queen hellbent on assimulating all life in the universe and they will explain this not breaking cannon by being a Section 31 matter that most of Starfleet doesn't know about until Picards eventual encounter with Borg. Defintely some hints in all the previews and trailers to support this in my opinion.

Thoughts?

Iconian is my guess. I've not read any theories and pretty sure I posted this when the trailer first dropped.

Edit:

StallionDan said:
No Borg on STD please, Enterprise just barely managed it with the First Contact loophole.

No Iconians either. They meant to be a mystery during Picard era and F off if they gonna do another "Let's keep this classified" again at season end.

Himynameischris · Jan 10, 2019

Kschreck said:
Ok I am actually thinking this season two theory is sound:

https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...heories-about-the-season-2-trailers-red-angel

So what do you guys think? This seems a lot more plausible then my previous theory.

Seems more plausible, although I hope it's not another situation where we figure everything about before the season even starts. I talked to my friend who has seen a few eps of TOS/TNG/VOY so she's not familiar with stuff like the Mirror Universe and she loved the Lorca reveal, while I'm currently doing a rewatch and I hate that Lorca just turned out to be evil, he was such a good character.

chrominance · Jan 10, 2019

Himynameischris said:
Seems more plausible, although I hope it's not another situation where we figure everything about before the season even starts. I talked to my friend who has seen a few eps of TOS/TNG/VOY so she's not familiar with stuff like the Mirror Universe and she loved the Lorca reveal, while I'm currently doing a rewatch and I hate that Lorca just turned out to be evil, he was such a good character.

I am specifically staying away from fan theories this season for this reason.

Kschreck · Jan 11, 2019

A review on youtube (positive) claims to have seen the first three episodes and that the premiere is an hour long with episodes 2 and 3 being around 45 minutes long. I hope this is true. Will give the episodes a bit more breathing room for character development and such.

Who else is excited for the new season? Trailers look fantastic to me personally.

Spectromixer · Jan 11, 2019

Kschreck said:
A review on youtube (positive) claims to have seen the first three episodes and that the premiere is an hour long with episodes 2 and 3 being around 45 minutes long. I hope this is true. Will give the episodes a bit more breathing room for character development and such.

Who else is excited for the new season? Trailers look fantastic to me personally.

Sounds great, can't. Might rewatch some of season one and The Cage and The Menagerie to prepare.

Meows · Jan 11, 2019

Pluto said:
Michelle Yeoh is all over the promo materials, is she a series regular in season 2?

I'm all for more Michelle Yeoh.

Himynameischris · Jan 11, 2019

I can't wait, been doing a rewatch to get ready.

Kschreck · Jan 11, 2019

Pluto said:
Michelle Yeoh is all over the promo materials, is she a series regular in season 2?

I believe she is and I also hear they are still considering giving Michelle Yeoh her own show based on her Section 31 involvement. Probably waiting to see fan response to her storyline on Discovery this season before making a decision on greenlighting the series.

A Section 31 series would be awesome in my opinion...

Quinton · Jan 11, 2019

Kschreck said:
I believe she is and I also hear they are still considering giving Michelle Yeoh her own show based on her Section 31 involvement. Probably waiting to see fan response to her storyline on Discovery this season before making a decision on greenlighting the series.

A Section 31 series would be awesome in my opinion...

The official line I've read on a prospective Yeoh-centered Section 31 show is that the biggest hurdle will be her busy schedule. But yeah, you're probably right -- they likely want to see the reception to her season 2 material too.

Also, I showed my roommates the four Short Treks last night and they seemed to mostly love them all. I think roommate #1 enjoyed "Calypso" the most and roommate #2 probably enjoyed "The Escape Job" the most. I'm not surprised by either result.

What I am pleased with is that roommate #1 seemed to have a pretty good time with the lighter installments (1 and 4) despite his serious apprehension over the lighter tone and lack of Lorca. I feel somewhat more confident he won't dislike the new season now (although I fully expect major resistance to Pike).

Pluto · Jan 11, 2019

Quinton said:
The official line I've read on a prospective Yeoh-centered Section 31 show is that the biggest hurdle will be her busy schedule.

They could just make it an 8 episode season then for example, with the number of shows they're planning short runs aren't a problem and it would fit the current tv landscape.

MHWilliams · Jan 11, 2019

Kschreck said:
Ok I am actually thinking this season two theory is sound:

https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...heories-about-the-season-2-trailers-red-angel

So what do you guys think? This seems a lot more plausible then my previous theory.

Tukarrs said:
The other popular idea is that the Red Angels are somehow related to Red Matter, and is related to the Kelvin Timeline. (And hence the reciprocal nature would 'sync up' with canon." It gives the idea for Spock to use Red Matter in the first place.)

Put both together. It's an Iconian, and everything's going to be alright because it's fixing the events that led to the Klevin timeline, hence the focus on Spock.

Effect · Jan 11, 2019

Kschreck said:
I believe she is and I also hear they are still considering giving Michelle Yeoh her own show based on her Section 31 involvement. Probably waiting to see fan response to her storyline on Discovery this season before making a decision on greenlighting the series.

A Section 31 series would be awesome in my opinion...

I know I'd love it. I'm down for any other aspect of Star Trek being explored and not making Starfleet the focus. Also more Michelle Yeoh isn't a bad thing.

That theory above seems interesting. Not the first time I've seen it tossed around. I kinda don't want to speculate to hard.

Deleted member 5666 · Jan 11, 2019

MHWilliams said:
Put both together. It's an Iconian, and everything's going to be alright because it's fixing the events that led to the Klevin timeline, hence the focus on Spock.

This would be intriguing because Kurtzman said the Picard series is about the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus which birthed the Kelvin timeline. So we know at the very least the Picard show is directly tying into the events that birthed the Kelvin Timeline so they aren't afraid to go into that storyline.

Himynameischris · Jan 11, 2019

Wrong Thread

Deleted member 40133 · Jan 11, 2019

Himynameischris said:
Seems more plausible, although I hope it's not another situation where we figure everything about before the season even starts. I talked to my friend who has seen a few eps of TOS/TNG/VOY so she's not familiar with stuff like the Mirror Universe and she loved the Lorca reveal, while I'm currently doing a rewatch and I hate that Lorca just turned out to be evil, he was such a good character.

chrominance said:
I am specifically staying away from fan theories this season for this reason.

I am positive that the only people who saw the twists in DISCO were huge level star trek fans who have seen every episode of star trek. Like seriously, work backward and the things that "telegraph" the twists and the reasoning is so inside baseball level of detail that even my dad whose "only" ever seen tos TNG and parts of Voyager didn't see it coming. But in the echo chamber of the internet of course it was "simplistic" and obvious"

Effect · Jan 11, 2019

Some people threw so much at the wall of course some of it was going to be right. You could see that in real time on reddit and twitter. You don't credit for figuring something out ahead of time when it was number 7 on your list of 15 things you tossed out! Also if one was to busy trying to pick around each episode instead of just enjoying the ride you might figuring some things out. Also some things weren't even trying to be hidden I think. Cause knowing certain things wasn't the twist. It was the reaction by the characters that were the important aspects.

Deleted member 40133 · Jan 11, 2019

Effect said:
Some people threw so much at the wall of course some of it was going to be right. You could see that in real time on reddit and twitter. You don't credit for figuring something out ahead of time when it was number 7 on your list of 15 things you tossed out! Also if one was to busy trying to pick around each episode instead of just enjoying the ride you might figuring some things out. Also some things weren't even trying to be hidden I think. Cause knowing certain things wasn't the twist. It was the reaction by the characters that were the important aspects.

My favourite thing is when idiots scream at the show and say "it's so obvious what's going to happen!!! The writers sucks!". When you know....foreshadowing is a classic literary technique

Tukarrs · Jan 12, 2019

Effect said:
Some people threw so much at the wall of course some of it was going to be right.

What if the Red Angels are Iconians who want all sentient species to stop abusing the spore dimension? And that's how they'll put the series 'back into' continuity?

Deleted member 40133 · Jan 12, 2019

Tukarrs said:
What if the Red Angels are Iconians who want all sentient species to stop abusing the spore dimension? And that's how they'll put the series 'back into' continuity?

To be honest, that works and even makes sense. Iconians have that cache as being insanely advanced by any metric in any time period basically. Even plausible they used the spore network before they realized it was causing problems and eventually developed gates. Or fuck it, the gates exploit the network safely but the downside is they need to be planet side because of massive power draw or whatever

Himynameischris · Jan 12, 2019

console lover said:
I am positive that the only people who saw the twists in DISCO were huge level star trek fans who have seen every episode of star trek. Like seriously, work backward and the things that "telegraph" the twists and the reasoning is so inside baseball level of detail that even my dad whose "only" ever seen tos TNG and parts of Voyager didn't see it coming. But in the echo chamber of the internet of course it was "simplistic" and obvious"

Well it didn't help that the creators were talking about the MU being in the first season, but it seems this time they have stayed a lot more quiet about what's in season two, just saying that it'll include a struggle with spirituality or something. I was so excited for Disco S1 that I was reading every tidbit I could but now I'm avoiding all of that and just waiting for S2 which looks great.

Tukarrs · Jan 12, 2019

It was Frakes who revealed the mirror episodes. Frakes also revealed (before Spock was cast) that he was

filming with child Spock via flashbacks in the first episodes.

I was able to generally guess the Burnham's thematic arc from the Pilot. She was always going to do another mutiny to 'redeem' herself, only this time it's for the right reasons. I was just thinking that it would be Lorca instead of Georgiou. I also figured out the Ash/Voq twist before Ash appeared on the show due to behind the scenes casting. (And I thought there was a thematic thing where Ash had Voq's "Katra" while Burnham had "Sarek" in a weird duality.)

I'm also very positive on the show and appreciate all the breadcrumbs.

TheDestructiveSquirrel · Jan 12, 2019

Looks like Space (Canadian TV channel) is showing lots of Trek in the next week leading up to the S2 premiere

Wrath of Khan is on now (weird that it's on after Search for Spock but whatever)

Wrath of Khan is still damn good

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