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Stadia is the most mishandled and poorly messaged gaming platform launch since Wii U
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An infuriating thing about the stadia lineup is the amount of games there that just seem like an exercise in demonstrating action games are playable with low latency online.
I'd absolutely consider jumping into this to play games like Civilization, football Manager basically turn based games. A few of these franchises could have the potential to appeal to a completely different audience Instagram of shooting straight for AAA
I'd absolutely consider jumping into this to play games like Civilization, football Manager basically turn based games. A few of these franchises could have the potential to appeal to a completely different audience Instagram of shooting straight for AAA
Football Manager is a launch title lol.
They do need more game announcements though. 100% agree.
Like WiiU, I know what it is, I just don't want it because it's not interesting. But I bought a WiiU due to its 'killer apps'. Stadia has no killer app. It just has promises and hopes and dreams. Frankly I expect Sony to do a PS Now 2.0 with PS5 also that will go up to 4K.
Yeah Founder's Edition really feels like it's just early access. Although the vibe I'm getting from people in this thread that have pre-ordered is that they won't really mind that.
They will just spend up to 60 bucks on the game when the service launches officially for free for the 1080p experience using an old xbox controller or whatever (you dont need the stadia controller) so you can limit the money you give google to almost 0 dollars*.
*I am pretty sure google still gets the same 30% cut every platform/store holder gets from devs when you buy a game via stadia
The demographic that doesn't want to shell out money for a console is far larger than you think, especially when next gen comes around and those 500 dollar machines are mighty expensive compared to a virtually free service. Their opening strategy isn't to convert gamers that already own a console, its to get those that are interested in the idea of being able to stream high end games at any polace in the house without cabling tethering a heavy box to the TV, or those who might want to have their kids play games in their own room without having to buy a second xbox/ps4, etc. There are plenty of potential use cases where Stadia is an attractive idea.
especially around christmas 2020 when the big boys launch I can see the existence of Stadia eating in the potential early xbox scarlett/PS5 sales. Especially if they wont have very strong exclusives. Plenty of parents will be reluctant to paying big bucks for a dedicated next gen box compared to just paying 10 bucks a month and buy them their desired 4k next gen games. Google also being willing to invest in AAA studios to either have an exclusive stadia project or add stadia to the to be developed platforms for said game will do a lot.
10 bucks a month is a veeery abstract thing, especially to those who already pay for various streaming services. its almost an invisible amount which stands in stark contrast to a 500 dollar price tag for just a big noisy box in the living room.
I hope so, it will be a much cheaper way to play the few Sony exclusives I want than buying a 500$ box just to play a few games
Isn't that what they're advertising? There's no way marketing would lie!
Stadia's target audience of core gamers is the wrong market for game streaming at this time. Google should be focused on trying to expand the pie, not butting in to get a piece of the current pie. Not to mention the mess of the Founders' launch with a lack of features and purchasing options. Stadia Base should be available Day 1 as it is the way by which the vast majority of Stadia customers will buy into the platform.
It is a controlled launch.
They will know the user numbers and can work out issues with the controller
They have shown it is capable of playing in Chrome with the project Stream beta
But I can't just open chrome right now and play something with my mouse yet. I feel that should be there day one to get people to try it. Barrier of entry is too high. Why should I buy in with a controller when I have multiple controllers already?
This is on purpose right now to stress test, so for curious people like myself. The real launch next year will not have that barrier with hopefully a stable enviroment
Psn has sales
Xbox has sales
Eshop has sales
Steam has sales
The chances of stadia having sales is pretty high imo, they also said pro subs get some kind of discounts but we aren't sure what kind of discount
I'm assuming pricing will be akin to PSN and XBL where new releases are full price $59.99 with plenty of sales throughout the year.
Stadia |OT| On, Live
I am curious to see how this launch goes, and how it performs Thanksgiving weekend.
I am curious to see how this launch goes, and how it performs Thanksgiving weekend.
It's also odd that Google's doing this whole subscribe-and-then-buy thing right when Game Pass and PlayStation Now are coming in so hot.
Unless this is an Original Xbox kind of thing where Google isn't really sweating making their first pass at it a success, but Xbox's failures were more in terms of design and cost rather than user experience, which was great for the time.
Unless this is an Original Xbox kind of thing where Google isn't really sweating making their first pass at it a success, but Xbox's failures were more in terms of design and cost rather than user experience, which was great for the time.
I think some people are about to find out that their internet connection isn't as great as they think. It isn't about the big bandwidth number that you pay for. It's about low latency with zero packet loss or interruption.. at all.
This isn't surfing the web or downloading stuff. This isn't streaming a movie where your devices can buffer ahead to conceal flaws. This requires constant interaction with minimal latency. I have two top tier services from different providers setup to automatically fail over if latency issues are encountered. It constantly monitors and logs the smallest of issues (to both coasts and Midwest). Stuff happens every day. It's also startling how frequently issues affect both providers.
Uhh, this is true for all the things that can play Stadia like smartphones and laptops, ain't it? You think streaming games to play in those devices won't drain their batteries much before they need to be charged and thus "require electricity"?
What a weird thing to say.
I have pretty fast service from Comcast, and just watching games download on Steam it is startling how often it just shits the bed and goes way slow. Maybe it only slows for a few seconds or a few minutes......but to have something like that interrupt gameplay or cause the video quality to noticeably downgrade would just be really irritating. Even streaming on Netflix/Hulu/HBO there's moments where video quality drops due to some kind of connection slowdown.
I saw the tell tale smudge but it wouldn't show up. I was even 90% sure I knew what the spoiler was but not being able to confirm it was oddly distressing.
Like I have said in the other threads, I plan to try it and see for myself if it is good or bad. I see streaming gaming as a great thing for the future, but I have good internet, no caps, and some disposable income to toss at it... so it's good for me to play around with it.
I do not see this being appealing to anyone outside of those similar to me.
If I decide to run with it, I fully expect it to get better as time goes on. With game sales, increasing library, "free" games, etc... just like other similar services. I also would expect other pricing options and sub structures, but again that will be later.
The trick will be if Google can keep the interest going till it gets to that more stable future.
I look forward to trying it regardless, or maybe I should say try it again since I already used it during beta.
I do not see this being appealing to anyone outside of those similar to me.
If I decide to run with it, I fully expect it to get better as time goes on. With game sales, increasing library, "free" games, etc... just like other similar services. I also would expect other pricing options and sub structures, but again that will be later.
The trick will be if Google can keep the interest going till it gets to that more stable future.
I look forward to trying it regardless, or maybe I should say try it again since I already used it during beta.
It might be a few years too early, but as someone excited for Stadia's launch I have a hard time selling the product to others.
After trying out GeForce Now, I realize how crucial and important streaming will be for gaming. But, we're in the infant stages right now.
Time will tell if Google succeeds, but I know I'll be there Day one either way.
After trying out GeForce Now, I realize how crucial and important streaming will be for gaming. But, we're in the infant stages right now.
Time will tell if Google succeeds, but I know I'll be there Day one either way.
You sound exactly like me and I 100% understand your point of view. The stars are aligned for me to be the perfect person for Stadia, but I definitely see why it's not possible for everyone.
A very very niche market. For now, at least. I'm sure that market will grow over the next few years. Whether Stadia lives to see that or not is up in the air.
But this is where gaming will go in the future, I actually believe that now thanks to GeForce Now.
I'm sure we're at least a decade or two away from that though.
Good point, honestly. Still remains to be seen if it's any good but
Oh you plebs with your low-speed internet and data caps. Stadia is an easy buy for me thanks to my fast fiber internet with no caps here in Beijing.
Now..... any ideas on how I convince the Chinese government to unban Google here?
Now..... any ideas on how I convince the Chinese government to unban Google here?
Look how the gaming world shat the bed when MS's original XB1 policies were announced and folks got a whiff that gaming platforms might be threatening their ability to buy and resell games.
Now imagine a platform that goes 150 miles beyond what MS was originally planning with the XB1 at launch. Imagine who might want to buy into a platform like that where you're paying for everything at full price without even the option to buy or sell on the pre-owned games market.
The poster on the front page was right when he said game streaming is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and serves an audience that hasn't yet materialised.
Now imagine a platform that goes 150 miles beyond what MS was originally planning with the XB1 at launch. Imagine who might want to buy into a platform like that where you're paying for everything at full price without even the option to buy or sell on the pre-owned games market.
The poster on the front page was right when he said game streaming is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and serves an audience that hasn't yet materialised.
I mean it is 100% true. My entire PS4 collection is digital. If PSN gets shut down, I lose all those games.
You can't resell digital games bought on XBL and PSN and this gen we've seen digital go from being less than 10% of overall sales, to well over 50%, even higher in some instances today. Actually it looks like 83% of all games sales are digital now according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physical-game-sales-in-the-us-since-2009/, but i'm not really sure how accurate these stats are and what platforms it takes into account.
What most people cared about 6 years ago, is very different then what people care about today. Gamestop is struggling hardcore to stay afloat because people aren't trading in games as much. Streaming is the next logical step and all of the platforms are jumping on the bandwagon. PS Now, xCloud, GeForce Now, etc. and they're all taking unique approaches. Stadia is a console entirely built for streaming and doesn't have any baggage of existing platforms, which can be a blessing and a curse. Which one it is remains to be seen over the next couple of years.
That's a pretty fucking good selling point tbh.
Access to games playing damn good performance with a few convenient features and graphics maxed out and never having to worry if a game you buy will run at its absolute best.
Bullshit. Where do you think those people who explained it in here got their info from? Google.
People who didn't understand Stadia either didn't pay any attention or just ignored the info that's been communicated because they immediately checked out once they heard the word "streaming".
I just watched the initial reveal stream and got all the info I needed to form an educated opinion.
This.
I'm not huge into PC gaming. I just upgraded my PC on the cheap after 9 years (i5 + GTX 1060) so I'll be good for the immediate future.
I also own a PS4 Pro and plan on getting a PS5 on day one so I'm not the target audience. I can see who could be the target audience, though.
Stadia might not be a hit when it launches but I think it will get a big boost once games stop releasing on current get consoles and people want to keep playing their new games without having to buy a new console for $400+.
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This is what happens when you have Phil Harrison leading a project, in my opinion. He has never demonstrated himself as someone capable of leading something and delivering a cohesive message about the project.
Stadia will flop when it is released — there isn't a compelling use case; it's not free in that you have to buy your games to stream and that value proposition is wildly inferior to the option of either purchasing the game on a console or on PC.
Stadia will flop when it is released — there isn't a compelling use case; it's not free in that you have to buy your games to stream and that value proposition is wildly inferior to the option of either purchasing the game on a console or on PC.
I played the Project Stream Beta and thought it was pretty impressive playing through Odyssey at what I believe was 30 fps on my laptop. However, having just recently played through the Spyro Reiginited Trilogy at 60 fps and max graphics settings via GeForce Now, streaming really is something else when it works. Night and day in comparison to the PS4 version with its muddy motion blur and 30 fps cap. Streaming legitimately made me enjoy the game a whole lot more as it was a lot smoother performing and a generally better looking experience. If Google could truly deliver top tier performance for multiplatform titles it would be great.
Granted, this was all using an ethernet cable on good internet with no data caps. I have my reservations with Stadia as a whole in regards to its longevity, the storefront, and game ownership, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be interested in playing something like Cyberpunk 2077 using it when I know it's likely gonna be chugging rather hard on my base PS4.
