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Stadia 4k streaming will use 1tb in 65 hours
- Thread starter Morfid_Plays
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Net neutrality has nothing to do with data caps.
As a utility they can still charge you for how much you use a month.
Strangely thats not what their site says
Oh snap it changed a bit, to 11.25GB per hour.
Still less but don't forget stadia is being used in conjunction with other services in the house now consistently much like movies. So now you are adding data that normally wasn't used on top of whatever else you are doing
We did, but ISP like ATT still included data cap unless you subscribed to a service bundle with a TV package.
Well, we used to not have any data caps here in the Seattle area. Then Comcast decided to apply a data cap pretty much everywhere at the same time I believe. That was like 2 years ago.
True. But I don't get charged overage fees for exceeding my monthly electricty cap. And I'm not limited by how much water I can use in a month.
consider a household with multiple people and a 1 TB data cap. First off, nobody is going to use the internet ONLY for Stadia, so you can cut down that 65 hours by a lot depending on how much other data gets used for netflix, etc. and secondly the use can be spread across more than one person. It's not really that much.
the data use is lower than that. Netflix says Ultra HD uses up to 7GB/hourStrangely thats not what their site says
I'm actually interested to see how things shake out with this. Google mentioned in their stream that the rise of services like Stadia could help push data caps and speeds higher, and I can't say I disagree entirely. But I could also see them not gaining traction because of such limits.... Curious what will wind up happening: Streaming services pushing ISPs to offer better service, or bad service pushing people away from streaming?
I feel ya. Google Fiber is awesome. I do feel for the folks in Louisville though.
It's only a problem because ISPs made it a problem. (And I doubt 4K is gonna be used that often.)
Why are people so shocked that an entirely new tech concept has a high financial bar for early adopters? Google aren't releasing a console, they're building an entirely new service and technology.
They're obviously building the brand and developing a service to get ahead of the other platform holders. When the technology matures, and ISPs/tech infrastructure can support it, game streaming will go mainstream and Google are investing millions now in order to ensure they have a monopoly on the sector a few years down the line.
This is very similar to Uber's whole business model being built on the fact that self driving cars will be viable in a few years.
Obviously I don't agree with any of this, but that's what is happening with Stadia.
They're obviously building the brand and developing a service to get ahead of the other platform holders. When the technology matures, and ISPs/tech infrastructure can support it, game streaming will go mainstream and Google are investing millions now in order to ensure they have a monopoly on the sector a few years down the line.
This is very similar to Uber's whole business model being built on the fact that self driving cars will be viable in a few years.
Obviously I don't agree with any of this, but that's what is happening with Stadia.
I thought that was Space X.
Faster internet at only 500% high cost of living. I'll pass. :P
That's more for impoverished communities rather than for streaming 4K gameplay.
It's not the technology that's problem but the fact that the largest market for Stadia is inundated with greedy telecoms that put arbitrary caps that makes this service unusable. Talking about some nebulous point the future when the likes of Comcast decides to stop being deliberately isn't helpful when the reality is that this service is going to launch in an unviable market.
What's interesting is the revoking of Net neutrality may actually 'help' here. Google could legally pay major ISPs to allow Stadia streaming to be exempt from data caps. I actually fully expect that to start happening at some point.
Which is interesting. Still its selling a solution to a problem they created, really not a fan of regionally monopolized ISPs.. Bleh.
Which is interesting. Still its selling a solution to a problem they created, really not a fan of regionally monopolized ISPs.. Bleh.
The point is that the only way to change those company policies [which is mainly in North America and NOT the entire world], Google needs to create a viable service to begin with. Do you really think at the beginning of Spotify people had enough phone data to regularly stream loads of music? Of course not.
Where do I say it is? They are waiting for two things 1. the tech to improve with regards to latency and stream reliability and 2. ISPs in some places (North America) to start behaving like ISPs in the rest of the developed world. Worst case scenario is that the US and Canada doesn't stream much. Luckily, the rest of the world is a bigger market soooo.... guess that North America will have to cope with not having every entertainment product available to it for once.
9gb an hour for 1080, oof.
Unless I'm playing a really short game, that pretty much removes the benefits of not downloading a game if the file size of the game is lower than 9x it's hourly length.
Unless I'm playing a really short game, that pretty much removes the benefits of not downloading a game if the file size of the game is lower than 9x it's hourly length.
Looks like FUD.
First of all, I have no cap. Bam. Sorry!
Second, they're going off a chart of minimum recommended speed, not data usage. Google says you NEED a 35 mbps connection to do the 4k 60. They're not saying it USES 35 mbps. FAIL. If this was true Netflix would be long gone.
Third, even if their FUD scenario was true, 65 hours in a month is pretty long. It's more than 15 hours per week. I'm guessing the vast majority of gamers fall under that amount of playtime. Although sure, it could be an issue.
Or you could play at 1080P (same as Playstation 4) and use way less, even under their evidently false math.
First of all, I have no cap. Bam. Sorry!
Second, they're going off a chart of minimum recommended speed, not data usage. Google says you NEED a 35 mbps connection to do the 4k 60. They're not saying it USES 35 mbps. FAIL. If this was true Netflix would be long gone.
Third, even if their FUD scenario was true, 65 hours in a month is pretty long. It's more than 15 hours per week. I'm guessing the vast majority of gamers fall under that amount of playtime. Although sure, it could be an issue.
Or you could play at 1080P (same as Playstation 4) and use way less, even under their evidently false math.
Not the same thing as caps. We had Net neutrality like, literally two weeks ago. Nothing changed.
I mentioned this in the other stadia thread but I think data caps may kill the stadia dream as an in home console replacement in much of the US. It's still very viable for on the go travel.
My hope is that Google fights to kill data caps by either reinstating their fiber cities or somehow fight for change to kill data caps. I think it's in their best interest to try and kill data caps for the US market to have any hopes of adopting the stadia.
My hope is that Google fights to kill data caps by either reinstating their fiber cities or somehow fight for change to kill data caps. I think it's in their best interest to try and kill data caps for the US market to have any hopes of adopting the stadia.
If a household has any regular data usage outside of Stadia, that cap is getting hit quick. Just having a family member that's into Netflix will bottleneck you.
Probably need some real world tests to see how it works. Netflix recommend at least 25mbps for 4K hdr at 24fps, so it's not a million miles off.
Especially when video streaming has the luxuary of buffering , either visibly or in the background
This won't push ISPs to do shit. Will it help them get more money? No? Then fuck your streaming games.
I like the idea of using it for travelling, but the reality is that many places offer incredibly poor latency ridden hotspots which are oversubscribed, laggy and slow.
I think it's far more likely that you'll see ISPs introduce "Gamer Internet Packs." Spend an extra 40 dollars for unlimited gaming internet and speeds!
Yeah, we can't forget that Stadia isn't the only thing people have to worry about. Not only is it competing with Netflix for your bandwidth, but also Youtube, Twitch, Amazon Prime, and anything else. Watching the Games Done Quick marathon can *eat* a data cap. Even just on 1080p Stadia will blow past that cap in a household that uses online media.
And if you're using it in *addition* to a console for exclusives? Well, there's game downloads and patches to toss into the mix too.
I don't have a cap at home but if I get the service I'd wanna use it outside of home too and this sounds horrendous.
Don't know if posted; here are the states Comcast has their 1TB data cap:
www.xfinity.com
So, ya, living in the SF Bay has me out. adding an unlimited plan is an additional $600 a year.
- Alabama
- Arizona
- Arkansas
- California
- Colorado
- Florida
- Georgia
- Idaho
- Illinois
- Indiana
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Louisiana
- Michigan
- Minnesota
- Mississippi
- Missouri
- New Mexico
- Western Ohio
- Oregon
- South Carolina
- Tennessee
- Texas
- Utah
- Southwest Virginia
- Washington
- Wisconsin
Is my household included in the 1.2 Terabyte Internet Data Usage Plan?
Find out if your area offers the Terabyte Internet Data Usage Plan.
www.xfinity.com
So, ya, living in the SF Bay has me out. adding an unlimited plan is an additional $600 a year.
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Most Internet plans in Canada have no caps at this point.
In any case, this is a good thing. This tech is going to push ISPs to move towards unlimited caps.
