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Culex

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,844
Just finished it. I thought it was fantastic. Flawed, but the best television i've watched since Haunting of Hill House.

The old man reveal reminded me of Bent Neck Lady episode in Hill House
 

cognizant

Member
Dec 19, 2017
13,756
Something that's been overshadowed by talk of the ending and VIPs is the performances. I want to give a special shout out to the tattooed gangster. He's the kind of actor who plays a bad guy so well that you start wondering if he's a piece of shit in real life too.
 

VeryHighlander

The Fallen
May 9, 2018
6,386
This was incredible. It could have easily just been a run of the mill gore porn show or something like that. But some of the best acting, direction and cinematography I've seen for a show in a long time.
Something that's been overshadowed by talk of the ending and VIPs is the performances. I want to give a special shout out to the tattooed gangster. He's the kind of actor who plays a bad guy so well that you start wondering if he's a piece of shit in real life too.
LOVED that guy and his performance was amazing.
 

NetMapel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,410
I hope they do something different for a Season 2. It seems very easy to do a different setup of people, new games, and appease many of the fans.
Personally I think the easiest season 2 to do might be about the 2015 game that involves the detective's brother. They can bring back a lot of the same actors too like the old man, red/blue card suit guy, the detective, the detective brother… etc.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,382
I hope they do something different for a Season 2. It seems very easy to do a different setup of people, new games, and appease many of the fans.

I'd be interested to see a season about someone trying to sabotage the games from within. Like a previous winner re-enters the games in an attempt to get as many people through alive as possible, exploiting their own rules on fairness to do so. How long would the people running the games keep up the facade when every single player, aware of the risks, gets through red light/green light? How would they deal with players finding a legitimate loophole which allows so many of them to survive that it's no longer entertaining for the VIPs?
 

milamber182

Member
Dec 15, 2017
7,728
Australia
Personally I think the easiest season 2 to do might be about the 2015 game that involves the detective's brother. They can bring back a lot of the same actors too like the old man, red/blue card suit guy, the detective, the detective brother… etc.

I feel like that would be too boring until the final episode. Ideally S2 would be Gi-hun and the Detective in the next game as dual protagonists trying to find a way to bring them down, with lots of flashbacks to the 2015 game.
 

rsfour

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,772
Fell off for me when the VIPs showed up.

I only feel bad for two of the characters who got completely fucked over.
 

game-biz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,714
The show was great until the VIP's and the ending was very, very cliche and odd in its execution.

The American VIP's conversations and english sounded like the VIP's weren't completely mentally competent and only knew english as a second language. It was so weird. I'm kinda surprised Netflix didn't get the studio to just redo those lines, but perhaps that would have been too expensive. The idea itself was fine; filthy rich, American, asshole denegrents that have no brains. But, jeez, it sounded like Trump's sons on quaaludes forgetting how english conversations function lol.
 

Bufbaf

Don't F5!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,659
Hamburg, Germany
The show was great until the VIP's and the ending was very, very cliche and odd in its execution.

The American VIP's conversations and english sounded like the VIP's weren't completely mentally competent and only knew english as a second language. It was so weird. I'm kinda surprised Netflix didn't get the studio to just redo those lines, but perhaps that would have been too expensive. The idea itself was fine; filthy rich, American, asshole denegrents that have no brains. But, jeez, it sounded like Trump's sons on quaaludes forgetting how english conversations function lol.
I mean welcome to any US show with any foreign language voice acting ever? :D
 

Smoolio

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,842
Up to the last ep, don't think I'll watch it

It became sexist trash imo,
so fucking contrived they took her out of the game like that, and all that talk about women favoured games yet they never have them. Also the scorned lover, what is this the 90s? Blegh
 

Bisha Monkey

Banned
Aug 12, 2018
775
I mean welcome to any US show with any foreign language voice acting ever? :D

This excuse is really lame and reaching for a strawman, just because it's a US industry standard putting horrible foreign voice acting doesn't absolve this show of getting flak from the same faults. Also it's fucking insulting you just sideline any criticism and assume people nationality just because they take issue with the baffling performances that takes you out of the show.
 

Gaucho Power

alt account
Banned
Feb 10, 2021
873
The show was great until the VIP's and the ending was very, very cliche and odd in its execution.

The American VIP's conversations and english sounded like the VIP's weren't completely mentally competent and only knew english as a second language. It was so weird. I'm kinda surprised Netflix didn't get the studio to just redo those lines, but perhaps that would have been too expensive. The idea itself was fine; filthy rich, American, asshole denegrents that have no brains. But, jeez, it sounded like Trump's sons on quaaludes forgetting how english conversations function lol.
VIP nro 4 didn't even have to act.


Go F*ck yourself, I'm an American, I do what I want, we're the kings of the world, OK?"
 

Bufbaf

Don't F5!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,659
Hamburg, Germany
This excuse is really lame and reaching for a strawman, just because it's a US industry standard putting horrible foreign voice acting doesn't absolve this show of getting flak from the same faults. Also it's fucking insulting you just sideline any criticism and assume people nationality just because they take issue with the baffling performances that takes you out of the show.
I don't know why you're exploding like this, but game-biz definitively is from the US, and that's not some kind of well-kept secret (and I'm sure he took the joke well). I'm also not excusing anything, the voice acting is atrocious, and so is a lot of voice acting in literally every other movie when it comes to foreign languages.

if it takes YOU out of the show, that's fine. I've seen enough Korean, Japanese or Chinese foreign-ish voice acting to it not bothering me.
 

cognizant

Member
Dec 19, 2017
13,756
I've seen enough Korean, Japanese or Chinese foreign-ish voice acting to it not bothering me.

Yeah, same here. I assume there's not enough in the budget to lure a legit American/English actor halfway across the world to star in a foreign language production, so they just get whoever's available in the country (probably pay them minimum wage). At this point I find shitty English actors in Asian cinema charming. Bonus points if the primary actors have to speak English themselves. I always found it funny when a HK character implies that they're fluent but end up actually speaking broken English lol.
 

Bisha Monkey

Banned
Aug 12, 2018
775
I don't know why you're exploding like this, but game-biz definitively is from the US, and that's not some kind of well-kept secret (and I'm sure he took the joke well). I'm also not excusing anything, the voice acting is atrocious, and so is a lot of voice acting in literally every other movie when it comes to foreign languages.

if it takes YOU out of the show, that's fine. I've seen enough Korean, Japanese or Chinese foreign-ish voice acting to it not bothering me.

Not exploding, it's all good, just kind of annoyed any kind of criticism regarding the VIP clown acting is almost always met with the same whataboutism arguments, I'm not even an english native speaker and I get what are you saying, it just gets tiresome seeing the same arguments brought up over and over again as an excuse for the show.
 

Zoe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,264
Just finished the show. One thing that baffled us with the cop story:

We thought the brother was a younger, poor college student. Were there any hints in that episode to suggest otherwise?
 

milamber182

Member
Dec 15, 2017
7,728
Australia
Just finished the show. One thing that baffled us with the cop story:

We thought the brother was a younger, poor college student. Were there any hints in that episode to suggest otherwise?

Maybe refused to spend his winnings like Gi-hun... or a cover so he wouldn't have to explain where all the money came from.
 

Zoe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,264
Maybe refused to spend his winnings like Gi-hun... or a cover so he wouldn't have to explain where all the money came from.
Still odd how
the cop was acting like an older brother looking out for the other.

Though now that I'm thinking about it, I admit I don't know whether there's a different word in Korean for older vs younger brother, so I suppose I just made the assumption based on him living in a dorm.
 

crimsonECHIDNA

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,427
Florida
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Fuu

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,361
The theory that the dorm life was a cover-up doesn't gel because if that was the case he wouldn't let the payments expire, and he wouldn't leave a card from the game in the room either. Unless he wanted to intentionally put the whole operation at risk, but that doesn't seem to be the case either.

The conclusion for that arc was too open-ended in a bad way because it feels kind of nonsensical. It's the major thing a second season would hopefully be able to fix.

Still odd how
the cop was acting like an older brother looking out for the other.

Though now that I'm thinking about it, I admit I don't know whether there's a different word in Korean for older vs younger brother, so I suppose I just made the assumption based on him living in a dorm.

Yeah, in korean he refers to his brother as "hyung", which means older brother. For a younger sibling he would have used "dongsaeng".
 
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egg

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
6,598
So after they got
exposed and killed for harvesting organs did no one think to check the security footage? The footage they kept erasing or whatever? That always had me scratching my head, like were they not curious to find out how he would be leaving the games and why no one was reporting it? Or was the guy hiding the footage one of the ones that got killed.
 

FliX

Master of the Reality Stone
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
9,875
Metro Detroit
So after they got
exposed and killed for harvesting organs did no one think to check the security footage? The footage they kept erasing or whatever? That always had me scratching my head, like were they not curious to find out how he would be leaving the games and why no one was reporting it? Or was the guy hiding the footage one of the ones that got killed.
Didn't the boss explicitly say that they didn't mind the little extra curricular activity, where it not for them giving the Dr an unfair advantage.
 

Hoa

Member
Jun 6, 2018
4,304
Yeah, same here. I assume there's not enough in the budget to lure a legit American/English actor halfway across the world to star in a foreign language production, so they just get whoever's available in the country (probably pay them minimum wage). At this point I find shitty English actors in Asian cinema charming. Bonus points if the primary actors have to speak English themselves. I always found it funny when a HK character implies that they're fluent but end up actually speaking broken English lol.

Pretty sure I read here or somewhere else that it wasn't the actors themselves that were the problem, that they were told to intentionally perform it that way and even tried to get the directors to let them perform it more naturally but couldn't.

One of the VIPs in this article mentioned that sometimes even the scripts for them aren't even naturally translated to English:

VIP one actor John D Michaels added his own thoughts: "I think the first thing to dispel is this myth that they just pick us up off the street. It's different for every show, but non-Korean performers often act with dialogue that is translated by a non-native — sometimes even by Google Translate — so it can sound unnatural. And often we don't have the scripts for the rest of the show. We are only given our scenes, so we have no idea of the tone."

www.indiewire.com

‘Squid Game’ VIP Actors Divided Over Fans Slamming Their Performances: ‘I Was Gutted’

One VIP actor is now getting "sexual invitations" from fans after starring in the Netflix blockbuster series.

It's probably already been discussed in here at some point but you know, topic is 30 pages 😂
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,316
Germany
Watched seven episodes, random thoughts and theories that I'll come back to after finishing it

-after one or two episodes, my three contenders to win the game were the old guy (#001), dude from Pakistan (Ali) or the girl from North Korea (that is, if only one person wins the game, not more or zero)

-now that there are only three players left, I think Kang Sae-byeok (the girl) will win. I mean there's just no way she doesn't return to her brother, right?

-as the show went on, Cho Sang-woo (the investment banker) became the main villain among the players for me, not the tattoed guy. Dude is the biggest snake, these type of people are the worst in real life too

-the main guy (Seong Gi-hun) still hasn't gotten his "revenge" on the banker yet iirc, for not preventing him from picking the umbrella in the second game. I think this will come up again when the banker (hopefully) dies. But I think Seong Gi-Hun will die too and that will be the death with the most emotional impact :(

-this might be a reach, but I'm still not 100% convinced the old guy is dead. Everyone else we saw getting shot or laying in the casket (Ali), but not here. Could be a "dignity for an old man" type of thing, but if there's one thing mainstream movies and games taught me, it's that you're not dead unless it's made crystal clear or your name is Tony Soprano; the player number made me suspicious from the start too. Question is, who is he then? The main boss of this whole thing? This will make me look silly if I'm wrong lol

-the side story with the cop isn't that interesting, worst part of the show for me. What kind of cop is that anyway, witnessing murder after murder without calling for back-up and shutting the whole operation down. Suspension of disbelief, I know.

Main two points of my rambling I guess: the girl will make it out alive and the old guy isn't dead

Let's see...
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,316
Germany
Okay, episode 8 was...short. Already got my prediction of the winner wrong lol. And the reveal of the masked guy's identity was fucking stupid. But maybe it looks better after the last episode.
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,316
Germany
At least my other prediction was spot on. But maybe it was obvious, don't know, I avoided reading anything about the show. So season 2 will be about Gi-Hun trying to expose the operation I guess?
 

Dalek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,962
Finished it finally and I really thoroughly enjoyed it. I've never seen Lee Jung-jae in anything before and I loved him. He is one of the most charismatic and likable actors I've ever seen.

As others have said the VIP voice actors were lousy but I was 100% invested in everything else.

The twist at the end completely got me. I didn't see that coming at all.
 

Dremorak

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,716
New Zealand
Finished it finally and I really thoroughly enjoyed it. I've never seen Lee Jung-jae in anything before and I loved him. He is one of the most charismatic and likable actors I've ever seen.

As others have said the VIP voice actors were lousy but I was 100% invested in everything else.

The twist at the end completely got me. I didn't see that coming at all.
The funny thing about how likeable he is as an actor is, apparently he mainly is known for playing villains in Korea lol

But yeah I agree all the main cast were amazing
 

Ottaro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,528
Finished it finally and I really thoroughly enjoyed it. I've never seen Lee Jung-jae in anything before and I loved him. He is one of the most charismatic and likable actors I've ever seen.
I watched it when it first dropped and the plot was a fun ride, but Lee Jung-jae's performance is the reason I still think about the show every now and then and why it's stuck with me. Just one hell of an anchoring performance.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,183
UK
I still think this didn't need continuation and could have ended when Seong Gi-hun comes back as a winner but his mother dies due to diabetes and he hugs her in bed. Because that was the emotional and thematic climax about capitalism ruining lives. The cop mystery was just not that interesting and emotionally removed from the rest of the characters. I was with this show until that unnecessary epilogue.