You think the next Deus Ex, of all games, is going to be more popular and financially successful than Kingdom Hearts 3.
Bruh.
EDIT: Genuinely can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
Both Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Mankind Divided were 4-5 year projects. Considering it didn't seem like they were moving on to a third Deus Ex game immediately, even if SQEX had changed their mind in the past couple of years, 2021-2022 would probably be the earliest we could see another Deus Ex game. Late 2020 at earliest if they had begun right after Mankind Divided, but it doesn't seem like they did.I think both are years away.
I'm thinking it's Deus Ex. I know SE have said the IP is on ice but I think they changed thier mind and will release a new game within the next 18 month.
Such asset-rehashes rarely manage to sell gangbusters, especially in cases where the original wasn't the most popular game of them all.Mankind Divided had a huge marketing campaign and should have released sooner then it did.
My theory is if SE announce the game using the same engine and assets and release in September they could make it work
Marvel doesn't really give much thought for movie cash-in game releases. Sony's Spider-Man game wasn't tied to any movie releases. Being a great Avengers game (+ big marketing campaign) will be what guarantees great sales. At this point Marvel can do whatever they want whenever they want and so long as the end product is at least decent, people will show up en masse.I think it will be the Avengers game based on the following assumptions:
1. SE stated that moving forward, they will be drastically reducing time between announcements and releases.
2. Final Avengers film being released soon - jumping on the hype train will pretty much guarantee great sales.
3. Disney may have embargoed any press because it might have elements from the film or at least some cross over.
4. FFVII Remake Part 1 should in theory be a launch PS5 game and/or cross gen and Sony will most likely throw even more money at SE for timed exclusivity to help smooth the launch of the PS5.
5. Please be excited
Mobile games aren't the kind of games you will estimate will make you ALL THE MONEY in advance of their release/in such a short time vs. big console retail games that can make insane amounts of money within a month or two. You'll release something and hope it doesn't get buried amidst the billion other gacha shit games that infest mobile gaming and that it'll find its audience of whales that'll bring in the big bucks in the long term, but you don't make huge profit-wagers on those kinds of things. SQEX has several mobile games going on currently and none of them have caused them to estimate making that much money. They understand the mobile market is volatile. They'll continue making mobile games because they can bring in a decent amount of money even if they don't become super huge, but I doubt they expect anything to blow up THAT big in advance.I don't know why people are unironically guessing FFVII remake or Avengers. How have you guys not learn that Square Enix do actually consider mobile games as potential major releases? Since I don't think they've mentioned this is a console game release, it's more than likely a mobile title, could be that Last Idea game.
I don't know why people are unironically guessing FFVII remake or Avengers. How have you guys not learn that Square Enix do actually consider mobile games as potential major releases? Since I don't think they've mentioned this is a console game release, it's more than likely a mobile title, could be that Last Idea game.
I don't know why people are unironically guessing FFVII remake or Avengers. How have you guys not learn that Square Enix do actually consider mobile games as potential major releases? Since I don't think they've mentioned this is a console game release, it's more than likely a mobile title, could be that Last Idea game.
Because Crystal Dynamics has done some pretty swell games throughout the years.why the hell want a avengers game from square? i know they were working on one, but why that would be good?
Okay not trying to sound rude, genuine question, but how does that explain that this report is for FY2019/3 but doesn't cover Jan March of this year?Let's start with what I quoted before you go on about something else.
First, you may have seen FY3/2020 (like the threads I make) or FY2020/3 used in financial reports, they both mean the same thing: Fiscal Year ending March 2020. The difference in order is because of the date system:
DD/MM/YYYY (Most of the world)
MM/DD/YYYY (U.S.)
YYYY/MM/DD (Japan)
Second, look at the chart. For FY3/2018, Square Enix earned Net Sales of: 250,394 million JPY (or ¥250 billion to be specific to the chart) and, Operating Profit of: 38,176 million JPY (or ¥38 billion). That is for the whole fiscal year, they did not earn that much in the third quarter alone, you can go and check it: http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/18q4earnings.pdf
Probably because not every company has their fiscal year ending in March... Nvidia has their fiscal year ending in January and if you want a Japanese company: CyberAgent's fiscal year ends in September.
Fiscal years don't always match calendar years so putting in the month where it ends helps to explain its 12 month duration.
Read above.
why the hell want a avengers game from square? i know they were working on one, but why that would be good?
final fantasy 7R episode one Q4 2020 alongisde the playstation 5 launch. that would be really good.
Likely the former. I really think SQEX is taking a safe approach to this game to avoid major performance / development issuesSomething to remember is that when SE announced Avengers in 2017, they said they'd talk about it "next year" - so at this point we're well overdue a big info drop for that game. The question is - is that because they decided to wait to show it until it was very close to release, in which case a release this year is likely, or is that because it hit trouble?
Well, "we'll talk about it" doesn't mean it was going to be some huge expose of the game or that the game was supposed to anywhere near complete in 2018 or some kind of (soft) start of a 1,5 year marketing plan.Something to remember is that when SE announced Avengers in 2017, they said they'd talk about it "next year" - so at this point we're well overdue a big info drop for that game. The question is - is that because they decided to wait to show it until it was very close to release, in which case a release this year is likely, or is that because it hit trouble?
I mean, Final Fantasy VII is Final Fantasy VII. It's still one of the most beloved games in the franchise & gaming altogether. Add a fresh coat of current-gen level paint on it + the more actiony combat & more modern design sensibilities being a bit more easily marketable to the masses and you've easily got a game that could eventually sell 10+ million copies.No idea at all. I doubt it will be FFVII Re, so probably Avengers? But its strange that anything was ever showed by them and now they suddendly release it by the end of the year expecting it to sell a lot...?
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Why not Bravely Default 3 for Switch? is it even possible?
I didnt mean that I expect no big sales for FFVII, I just dont expect it to release so soon.. :PI mean, Final Fantasy VII is Final Fantasy VII. It's still one of the most beloved games in the franchise & gaming altogether. Add a fresh coat of current-gen level paint on it + the more actiony combat & more modern design sensibilities being a bit more easily marketable to the masses and you've easily got a game that could eventually sell 10+ million copies.
Bravely Default 3 ain't gonna cause those kinds of expectations.
Because Crystal Dynamics has done some pretty swell games throughout the years.
You realise games like Deus Ex and Tomb Raider and published by SE yeah?
They make more then JRPGs
It's been in production for nearly 5 years by now and in late 2019/early 2020 that will be nearly 6 years. Even with the setbacks it has seen, it's not impossible that it would be nearing release as this year advances.I didnt mean that I expect no big sales for FFVII, I just dont expect it to release so soon.. :P
Yes, SE is so sure of a new random mobile game resulting in income higher than even their best fiscal year ever, where huge hits like FFXV and Automata, and also Stormblood, DE:MD etc. released, that they've been proclaiming it for the whole last year in their financial reports. What other big releases besides that magical mobile game do they have April 2019-March 2020 that would help even remotely reach those FY2017 numbers plus even more? They have nothing known that big in the pipeline besides FFVIIR or Avengers. Or will LAST IDEA pull off those numbers alone? 🤔I don't know why people are unironically guessing FFVII remake or Avengers. How have you guys not learn that Square Enix do actually consider mobile games as potential major releases? Since I don't think they've mentioned this is a console game release, it's more than likely a mobile title, could be that Last Idea game.
Net sales in our Games for Smart Devices/PC Browsers sub-segment came in slightly under the ¥100 billion mark, and the titles we released in the latter half of the fiscal year ended March 2018 delivered lackluster performances on the whole. As such, we saw the year as one that left us many issues to tackle. While maintaining and bolstering the percentage of our titles that prove successful is always a key challenge, we regret that many of the new titles released in the last fiscal year delivered very disappointing results. Common wisdom has it that Japan's gaming market has matured, making it difficult to generate new hits. Meanwhile, we view the new trend of Chinese and Korean developers and publishers creating hit titles to be one worthy of note.
Source.
Beside TR i don't see any other game CD did (excluding Legacy of Kain that it's almost in another life), and maybe it's personal taste, but i don't see the appeal to a Avangers game being good just because Crystal Dynamics dev it. That's what i am struggling to find out ... it's just expectations based on TR games or there are any info that i missed beside that?
No you don't understand, they scrapped everything and had to start all over again (even though that makes literally no sense, as planning alone is as big a part of game development as active development, and only the Stuff CC2 had built would need to be binned). Clearly FFVIIR needs another three years.It's been in production for nearly 5 years by now and in late 2019/early 2020 that will be nearly 6 years. Even with the setbacks it has seen, it's not impossible that it would be nearing release as this year advances.
At least FFVII Remake is far more likely than Avengers, that has been in development for not much more than 2 years at this point.
I mean, it's going to be a big budget, ambitious Avengers game from a developer with a pretty decent pedigree of games. Of course I'm not hyped out of my mind at this point since hardly anything is known of the game, let alone shown, but, like, if it turns out to be a good or great Avengers game, that's would be pretty awesome. I'm just not seeing reason to be cynical & so pessimistic about it. Crystal Dynamics is great, Eidos Montreal is great (they are helping with Avengers, AFAIK), SQEX has their moments.Beside TR i don't see any other game CD did (excluding Legacy of Kain that it's almost in another life), and maybe it's personal taste, but i don't see the appeal to a Avangers game being good just because Crystal Dynamics dev it. That's what i am struggling to find out ... it's just expectations based on TR games or there are any info that i missed beside that?
How likely do you think FFVIIR is for late 2019/early 2020?Something to remember is that when SE announced Avengers in 2017, they said they'd talk about it "next year" - so at this point we're well overdue a big info drop for that game. The question is - is that because they decided to wait to show it until it was very close to release, in which case a release this year is likely, or is that because it hit trouble?
I mean, it's going to be a big budget, ambitious Avengers game from a developer with a pretty decent pedigree of games. Of course I'm not hyped out of my mind at this point since hardly anything is known of the game, let alone shown, but, like, if it turns out to be a good or great Avengers game, that's would be pretty awesome. I'm just not seeing reason to be cynical & so pessimistic about it. Crystal Dynamics is great, Eidos Montreal is great (they are helping with Avengers, AFAIK), SQEX has their moments.
Most superhero games haven't been developed by developers of Crystan Dynamics' caliber and/or they have often been rushed, low-budget (movie tie-in) productions (shovelware, to be frank) even if they are because publishers knew that the IP would sell and at the time game development wasn't so prohibitively expensive. Not the most healthy basis for the creation of quality games. But give a developer like Crystal Dynamics 4+ years and I'm sure they can make something that is good.The major reason for me to be cautious (not pessimist haha) with this title is because, historically, most of the superhero games are bad, the only one tha stood out this bucket that comes to my mind is Spiderman, and yet it's the same formula from the older games, just well made. But i mean, you're right, the studio it's pretty good, maybe we are looking at a new "Arkham" game here.
Don't get your hopes up, Kookez and I were reading the date wrong. It's more likely to be March 2020. But still (that's not long).
Okay not trying to sound rude, genuine question, but how does that explain that this report is for FY2019/3 but doesn't cover Jan March of this year?
Ah well, all it means is we're talking about up to March for the big game. Instead of up to December.
No it doesnt. This is the FY2019/3 report. If it covered up to March why would they release it in February?
It could potentially mean YTD? That I'm not sure on. But if it was that would change nothing about the premise of this thread.
Okay not trying to sound rude, genuine question, but how does that explain that this report is for FY2019/3 but doesn't cover Jan March of this year?
Ah well, all it means is we're talking about up to March for the big game. Instead of up to December.
They've already said that FFVIIR marketing took a backseat because SQEX was focusing on hyping up another Nomura game, Kingdom Hearts III. And besides, they generally don't show games all that much until about a year or so before release. Now that KHIII is out, FFVII Remake should reappear sometime in the coming months, assuming they haven't been lying about the status of the game's development.If it were FF7R, we would have seen trailers and gameplay in 2018 (arguably 2017).
Both Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Mankind Divided were 4-5 year projects. Considering it didn't seem like they were moving on to a third Deus Ex game immediately, even if SQEX had changed their mind in the past couple of years, 2021-2022 would probably be the earliest we could see another Deus Ex game. Late 2020 at earliest if they had begun right after Mankind Divided, but it doesn't seem like they did.
If it were FF7R, we would have seen trailers and gameplay in 2018 (arguably 2017).
Not if SE is trying to really be consistent from now on with (re-)revealing their big games <6 months before release now as they did with pretty much all their games last year e.g. SotTR, JC4, LiS2, TQM etc. I know those are their Western games, but still, it sounds like it's a general company policy now and they mentioned it in the briefing too, so maybe they're gonna do that with SE Japan's games too.If it were FF7R, we would have seen trailers and gameplay in 2018 (arguably 2017).
Well, "we'll talk about it" doesn't mean it was going to be some huge expose of the game or that the game was supposed to anywhere near complete in 2018 or some kind of (soft) start of a 1,5 year marketing plan.
They shouldn't be trying to match the Endgame or any other MCU release, and instead just release a solid and quality product when it's ready.
I mean, there's nothing to suggest the project has been rushed. It might just be the rare instance of a Square Enix project coming together on schedule. Game was announced & started dev in early 2017, came together over 2018, and is ready for shelves Holiday 2019. That's an entirely believable development timeline for a AAA product.Pretty sure Marvel Games is not interested in that. Did the Producer of the Game division not go on record to say this time they're focusing on quality?