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Spiders is the new Bioware. Warhorse is the new Bethesda.
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I get what you're saying, and they have nice potential, but they arent anywhere near the star-studded level of Bioware and Bethesda at their peak output
Yeah the games are only critically and commercially acclaimed and in Skyrim's case still played heavily a decade later. Interesting use of the word bad.
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Skyrim was great but that was 10 years ago and their last good game IMO. If they still have that magic they haven't shown it in 10 years...
I'm not sure companies that make horribly janky games (Spiders) or companies run by alt-right scumbags (Warhorse) are really filling any gaps, I'm afraid.
Like I know Bethesda games are janky as hell and they often release almost comically busted, but they're still a full tier above AA Euro-RPGs.
Like I know Bethesda games are janky as hell and they often release almost comically busted, but they're still a full tier above AA Euro-RPGs.
And it has been three years since Kingdom Come, with little news on what their next game will be. I love the game, but I think it's a given that games of that quality require time, and moreso the larger in scale it is. If Warhorse can churn out games as big as Skyrim every 5 years, hey, I'm all for it. But we've seen what happens to game studios who try to tackle a big, ambitious, open world RPG from the ground up before. *cough* CDPR *cough*
It's not just one guy though, It's literally the Director/Lead Writer of the game.
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There was no jank in Greedfall. It had a lower budget than Bioware games sure but the writing is way better so who cares? The first Dragon Age was a far jankier game than Greedfall.
Kingdom Come was an interesting experiment, but in the end I did not finish it because it still had poor quest design just on a much smaller scale.
I actually finished both technomancer and greedfall, but these games are nowhere near bioware, even bottom tier bioware, as much as I enjoy the casual jank.
I actually finished both technomancer and greedfall, but these games are nowhere near bioware, even bottom tier bioware, as much as I enjoy the casual jank.
Loved Greedfall. If Spiders could actually build on that foundation they would easily usurp Bioware for me, Bioware hasn't made a game I've loved since DAO. But Bioware is also the only one that makes those "party" type RPGs, so they'll always have their niche the same way Bethesda does open world so much differently than everyone else.
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Greedfall is a "Party RPG." Or did you not play all of your companion's side quests? Some are hidden and you have to talk to a certain person unmarked on the map to advance them.
Agree to disagree. Bioware writing is "creative middle school student" at best.
Every single nation's governor had the exact same mansion. Like exactly the same building. Not even a different room layout - literally the same exact building. M De Courcillon's weird magic science office is even in all three faction HQs even though Courcillon himself is only in the New Serene one. It felt really, transparently clunky on a level I did not expect to see.
I also don't think the writing is all that great. Like it isn't horrible but it wasn't that compelling either.
Ok is it me or did Bethedsa hate get pretty bad lately.
Don't get me wrong I get because of Fallout 76 and to some aspects 4 as well but that's more on my personal tastes.
I'm cautiously optimistic for Starfield up to now.
Anyways Greedfall is decent and reminds me of the older Bioware output a bit but I still don't put them anywhere near being on par with Bethedsa's games.
Warhorse I'm not too sure on as I've never played any of their games.
Don't get me wrong I get because of Fallout 76 and to some aspects 4 as well but that's more on my personal tastes.
I'm cautiously optimistic for Starfield up to now.
Anyways Greedfall is decent and reminds me of the older Bioware output a bit but I still don't put them anywhere near being on par with Bethedsa's games.
Warhorse I'm not too sure on as I've never played any of their games.
Even ignoring the fact that he's the co-owner and lets say it was a random person in the dev team.
It was well known he was a gamergate pos. Since he wasn't fired it's pretty clear what the stance of the company is.
Warhorse sucks.
To be honest, people have been more negative towards Bethesda since Fallout 4, and even more so after Fallout 76.
Well, there will be gaps to fill on non-Xbox platforms. I welcome the competition.. See how that works?
Jank was Greedfall's primary characteristic, what are you talking about? I loved the game (and Technomancer before it) but it's janky as all hell and feels like something Bioware might have made between KOTOR and Jade Empire. In a few more games they might be up to late 2000s Bioware quality but they ain't there yet.
Warhorse is a non-starter. Bethesda has its problems and delays but at least it's not headed up by a piece of shit gamergater.
The first sidequest I did in Greedfall involved trying to prove that a guy selling miracle cures was a fraud and the only option to do so was to demand he try it himself in front of his potential customers, even though there was nothing to suggest the stuff he was selling was actively harmful instead of just sugar water or something. When he takes a bottle out of his pocket to drink and my character called him out on there being no proof it's the same as what he's selling, my only option was to go behind his shop and steal a bottle that I then presented to him in front of his potential customers... with no proof it was the same as what he was selling. It was total nonsense and although nothing else in my time with the game was that bad again, it still set the general tone.
I enjoyed Greedfall but Spiders has a long way to go to reach Bioware levels, at least at their prime.
Neither of these studios are filling the gap left by Bethesda (or Bioware, for that matter, as I expect them to be shut down within the next 3-4 years) and expecting them to be able to is setting the bar impossibly high.
Bethesda game studios games are moments in ways these games are not.
I do know about the questionable background of the Warhorse lead dev but well .. Kingdom Come was the best actual RPG game I've played in at least a decade or so.
Still torn on how to handle my appreciation for the game and the disdain for the developer. That guy definitely didn't do the game and the artists that worked on it a favor by being a pathetic idiot.
Still torn on how to handle my appreciation for the game and the disdain for the developer. That guy definitely didn't do the game and the artists that worked on it a favor by being a pathetic idiot.
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Comparing Warhorse to Bethesda is just nonsense lol.
I like Spiders but they arent anywhere close to Bioware and never will be.
I like Spiders but they arent anywhere close to Bioware and never will be.
I see. So this is really just a naked Bio and Bethesda hate thread.
Maybe you should find better ways to spend your time.
Skyrim and Fallout 4 were, like, cultural events. They were inescapable. "An arrow to the knee," etc. Nothing Warhorse has done has ever reached anywhere near the same level of relevance. They're arguably most famous for being led by an alt-right guy and not wanting brown people in their game because they wanted to portray "historically accurate" medieval Europe.
Like I'm fully capable of acknowledging that Bethesda games often launch busted (I played Skyrim on the fucking PS3, for god's sake), but even IN their busted-ass state, the level of content that's on offer in those games is basically unmatchable. They're literal event games, on a level that you really only see once or twice a generation at most.
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I am still waiting for Piranha to show their next game. As far as I know they have been quiet since Elex and I want to see the next game now.
I wonder if their next game won't have every single fucking thing in the game world instakill you for the first 15+ hours of gameplay or if they still consider that a feature and not a design flaw.
I hope not. Being a weak little pissant and clawing your way up is one of the things I like best about their games.
He is not wrong though. Bethesda's writing is fantasy cartoon-tier and it has become especially noticable with the evolution of the Fallout series.
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