Spectator USA: Kushner allegedly involved in Khashoggi arrest; info used to blackmail Trump by Erdogan (unverified)

Geoff · Nov 4, 2019

So, in summary, Kushner fucked up and gave the greenlight for the arrest, which lead to the murder and became an international incident. Turkey has proof of his fuck up and used it to blackmail Trump to let them have a crack at the Kurds. If true, that's surely worse than what he did with the Ukraine?

Though it doesn't make much sense...surely the blowback from the betrayal of the Kurds would always be worse than Kushner being (presumably unwittingly) implicated in the Khashoggi murder?

Stooge · Nov 4, 2019

If this is true it would explain why we fucked the Kurds over. Given where all the sources on Kashogi came from it's believable the Turkish government would have proof.

Daphne · Nov 4, 2019

We'll likely never get the hard evidence we need, just like we never did with whatever Russia has on Trump. But I live in hope, because if this is true--and damn if it isn't plausible--then the Trump administration is compromised at a staggering and catastrophic level, and needs to be immediately stopped even more so than they already need to be.

Deleted member 7051 · Nov 4, 2019

Geoff said:
Though it doesn't make much sense...surely the blowback from the betrayal of the Kurds would always be worse than Kushner being (presumably unwittingly) implicated in the Khashoggi murder?

This is Trump we're talking about. If the world found out his son-in-law not only caused a highly publicised murder but also left enough evidence that Turkey was able to use it blackmail the White House, imagine what that would do to his image in America.

He really doesn't care what happens in the Middle East.

Geoff · Nov 4, 2019

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
This is Trump we're talking about. If the world found out his son-in-law not only caused a highly publicised murder but also left enough evidence that Turkey was able to use it blackmail the White House, imagine what that would do to his image in America.

He really doesn't care what happens in the Middle East.

He doesn't care but a lot of senior members of his own party did. Lucky for him he got Turkey to back off

Stooge · Nov 4, 2019

Geoff said:
He doesn't care but a lot of senior members of his own party did. Lucky for him he got Turkey to back off

Define "back off".

Daphne · Nov 4, 2019

Stooge said:
Define "back off".

Hey, I usually back off after I get everything I want too.

Geoff · Nov 4, 2019

Stooge said:
Define "back off".

In this case I guess I mean that Turkey is no-longer overtly trying to take more territory and is nominally respecting a ceasefire, having achieved some of its aims. Which is probably good enough for the republicans.

ZiZ · Nov 4, 2019

I don't know what America you're all from, but the America I know mass murders innocent people all the time.

Acorn · Nov 4, 2019

Add it to the list of stuff nobody will do anything about.

Fiction · Nov 4, 2019

Geoff said:
In this case I guess I mean that Turkey is no-longer overtly trying to take more territory and is nominally respecting a ceasefire, having achieved some of its aims. Which is probably good enough for the republicans.

All of which was engineered not by Trump but by Putin. No, I am not kidding. Oh, also the Kurds took shelter from Turkey by making a deal with...Assad.

Yeah.

Killthee · Nov 4, 2019

You should probably mention somewhere in the OP that this is coming from a gossip/rumor column.

Bee.Cups · Nov 4, 2019

Everytime I think we've hit a new low with this guy.. y'know, besides the child concentration camps.

forgiventhrice · Nov 4, 2019

Oh boy!

Bigwombat · Nov 4, 2019

dapperbandit said:
I'll wait for verification but I can believe it. Kushner (junior and senior) are slimy fuckers, read up on what Charles did to his own family for a measure of their morals

I've never heard of the dad before but you certainly peaked (sp) my interest. This report is definitely in the realm of possibility but I'd like for it to be corroborated first. Kushner is way too close to the prince and he has no idea what he's doing. They are such morons and evil people that I could see them trading jamals life for some business dealings. Fucking sick.

Deleted member 14459 · Nov 4, 2019

Evidently I don't read The American Spectator - have they been relevant in uncovering political scandals since the 1990s? Are they considered to still have access to the echelons of political power - my 2nd hand understanding is that they are rather peripheral in the political media landscape - so while I hope this is true, I remain a bit skeptical that it's them breaking this story..

edit: shit. ignore my question I see it's Spectator I USA - which I know even less of... I didn't even know they had a US edition, lol.

Dr. Mario · Nov 4, 2019

Drewton said:
"This source claims that Turkish intelligence obtained an intercept of the call between Kushner and MBS. And President Erdogan used it to get Trump to roll over and pull American troops out of northern Syria before the Turks invaded."

The most important part that people won't get from just reading the title.

Gamesadict said:
The title should be edited by a mod to include that it was allegedly used to blackmail Trump, that's the big deal here.

Also, there's a free 2-3 articles limit on that site, make sure you read it all.

Like, I agree and don't strongly object to the title change. But I want to stress that this is an unverified gossip in only one newish paper, and the second part was a single lone source that builds on what is essentially already a rumor. With ostensibly multiple sources it's somewhat credible that Kushner played a part in Khashoggi's apprehension, but all the rest should be taken with a fine helping of salt and very likely will never be proven. That's why I didn't shout it in the thread title.

Br3wnor · Nov 4, 2019

If you're getting hopeful from this you need to pump the breaks, the chances of this being true AND there being iron clad evidence of it are very, very slim. Without proof it's a story that will go nowhere.

Dude Abides · Nov 4, 2019

Hmmm. If Schiff knows this one would expect he'd be pushing back against the idea that the impeachment inquiry is limited to Ukraine.

ced · Nov 4, 2019

This is not a reliable source

Doomshroom · Nov 4, 2019

This sounds to good to be true. Im sure Trump would throw Kushner under the bus Before making himself look like an idiot and pull out of Syria.

but lets hope not.

TeenageFBI · Nov 4, 2019

With a source like this, you might as well not post it.

The Bookerman · Nov 4, 2019

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
This is Trump we're talking about. If the world found out his son-in-law not only caused a highly publicised murder but also left enough evidence that Turkey was able to use it blackmail the White House, imagine what that would do to his image in America.

He really doesn't care what happens in the Middle East.

We all know kushner is taking care of the middle east for his own benefit: it's been well publicized that he needs kush money to help his failing businesses. Bending over for the saudi prince makes sense.

Deleted member 7051 · Nov 4, 2019

The Bookerman said:
We all know kushner is taking care of the middle east for his own benefit: it's been well publicized that he needs kush money to help his failing businesses. Bending over for the saudi prince makes sense.

I can't wait for next year. Once Trump is no longer in the White House, all those walls he wanted to build are going to come crashing down.

Krakatoa · Nov 4, 2019

Crazy if true. hopefully this gets verified by another source.

ascii42 · Nov 4, 2019

Bigwombat said:
I've never heard of the dad before but you certainly peaked (sp) my interest. This report is definitely in the realm of possibility but I'd like for it to be corroborated first. Kushner is way too close to the prince and he has no idea what he's doing. They are such morons and evil people that I could see them trading jamals life for some business dealings. Fucking sick.

The word you were looking for is piqued.

Binabik15 · Nov 4, 2019

Jaq'or said:
Holy shit if true.

My exact utterance.

I know the US has this whole due process is kinda optional thing with CIA blacksites and stuff, but if this turns out to be true Kushner belongs before a court. Preferably an international one, in a sane world and not the joke we live in.

Dr. Mario · Nov 4, 2019

ced said:
This is not a reliable source

TeenageFBI said:
With a source like this, you might as well not post it.

I'm starting to get second thoughts myself. I checked mediabiasfactcheck, which says it has a factual record, and it's the same publisher as The Daily Telegraph, which, you know, is not great but also not a tabloid. But I see their American branch is *very* recent, and this scoop seems too large for them.

Hesemonni · Nov 4, 2019

And like everything else before this, it will not stick.

Mr. Poolman · Nov 4, 2019

If this is true, puts the whole letter of "don't be a tough guy" on another perspective.

UnluckyKate · Nov 4, 2019

We need the transcripts

Netherscourge · Nov 4, 2019

So, Kushner helped set up a murder?

On Trump's behalf?

Sounds way too evil to be true.

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Reynolds Woodcock · Nov 4, 2019

Insane if true.

Khanimus · Nov 4, 2019

Sounds like the right kind if slimy scumfuckery I would expect.

Shadybiz · Nov 4, 2019

Yeah I'm gonna need more verification, but if it's true, that is freakin' BANANAS.

Gold Rush · Nov 4, 2019

I'm gonna have to classify this as fan-fiction until it it gets corroborated. It's just too cray-cray to accept at first glance.

papermoon · Nov 4, 2019

Netherscourge said:
So, Kushner helped set up a murder?

On Trump's behalf?

Sounds way too evil to be true.

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The Crown Prince might not have clued them in on the murder and torture part of their plans. He might've framed it as an "arrest" of a journalist: a member of Trump's most hated class.

I haven't read the story. Don't know the particulars of its claim. But the way Trump reacted with denial, minimization, deflection, justifications re: the Khashoggi case, it's glaringly obvious the Trump admin enabled the kidnapping, torture, and murder of this man. They may not have known they would've done him in so brutally, but it would be shocking if members of the Trump admin didn't know they would take him into custody at least.

Acorn · Nov 4, 2019

Dr. Mario said:
I'm starting to get second thoughts myself. I checked mediabiasfactcheck, which says it has a factual record, and it's the same publisher as The Daily Telegraph, which, you know, is not great but also not a tabloid. But I see their American branch is *very* recent, and this scoop seems too large for them.

The telegraph's political coverage is the worst of the broadsheets these days tbh. It's daily mail tier shite.

The times isn't for me and is Murdoch owned but it atleast some times breaks stuff that is negative to the Tories.

Netherscourge · Nov 4, 2019

The stupidity of the Trumps does make a case for them being used as puppets to help the Saudi's get Khashoggi, but why Trump feel pressured to pull out troops for Erdogan to keep it quiet?

Would not the CIA already secretly explained it to everyone?

The GoP probably knows all of this. It doesn't seem like something damaging enough for Trump to pull out troops to keep it quiet.

I think a simpler reason exists. Trump was offered shares of that Russian oil company that would be drilling in Syria, once the Kurds pulled out. (Or were wiped out).

UltimateHigh · Nov 4, 2019

if this is verified (big IF)... ooh boy.

Deleted member 8257 · Nov 4, 2019

Spectator is run by that Trump goon, no? What's his name. The Nazi guy who got fired from CNN? Jeffrey Lord?

Crickey · Nov 4, 2019

If this is true, not only the Trump should pay but Turkey too.

Buggy Loop · Nov 4, 2019

Welp then, if this comes true (i mean most likely), then i agree with Trump on one thing..

"You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now,"

hobblygobbly · Nov 4, 2019

What the fuck America

Maxim726x · Nov 4, 2019

ced said:
This is not a reliable source

No, it is not.

Not yet worth our time.

Gernau Morat Gurgeh · Nov 4, 2019

I would hold off on believing this until you see it from a better source. The Spectator is a hard right publication that was running adoring articles about Steve Bannon a couple of years back. It's basically the Daily Mail with literary pretensions.

Pandora012 · Nov 4, 2019

Need a good source first. If verified.....wow

Deleted member 8257 · Nov 4, 2019

This is bullshit. When Erdogan threatened Trump over the intercepted Kushner call, was no one in White House listening?

Legacy · Nov 4, 2019

US ERA, help me understand something.If true, does this actually mean Jared goes to jail? Seems like Trump is above the law and could try to block this from happening.

RoninChaos · Nov 4, 2019

Sorry, I need proof. I think trump wouldn't hesitate to throw ANYONE under the bus. It's what he does. He doesn't care if they're family or not. If they tried to blackmail Jared then Jared would be on his own. If anything, if Trump IS involved it would probably be to say he's okay with the murder, which he's already proven he is okay with it, because we've done fuck-all to deal with it.

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