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Spanish-speaking Era: Do you find Beto O'Rourke/white people in general tossing in a bit of Spanish while speaking to you to be pandering?
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As a white person in general and as a resident of Arizona which has a high native Spanish speaking community, I will only try much extremely limited spanish skills on people who I already know and use it to try and learn the language more. I wouldn't ever use it to random people or millions of people I don't know.
I had no idea AOC spoke Spanish and had to look it up. Neither she or Castro sound terribly natural either.
What the hell, AOC sounds like somebody who spoke Spanish at home, if not a first language, it's definitely a mother tongue for her:
Beto is just a mess who looks like he learned one phrase and couldn't even remember it correctly.
And of course I'm very respectful of people who try speaking a foreign language and have trouble, I have been there myself with both English and French, but this looks very dishonest and like pure pandering because you know the dude isn't really going to use it in his daily life.
Maybe you can't, but the rest of us can focus on more than 1 thing at a time. Talking about this doesn't mean we're suddenly unconcerned about other stuff
I would speak in broken Spanish while I was learning it in college to Spanish-speakers that worked at places I frequented (trying to order a sub in Spanish, etc...). They all seemed to get a kick out of it and were helpful.
I could see how it would be viewed as pandering if a politician did it, though.
Ah yes, that's it, I must be too stupid to focus on multiple things. Wonderful deduction, Sherlock. I'll go back to my See 'N Say since I'm so clearly inept due to questioning clearly absurd concerns.
It depends.
I'm white, but I grew up in a hispanic majority neighborhood and would pepper in some Spanish as a kid.
With my boxing coach we'll switch off a bit here and there.
But with people i don't know I wouldn't. I don't really speak Spanish beyond basic stuff and cursewords :lol
I'm white, but I grew up in a hispanic majority neighborhood and would pepper in some Spanish as a kid.
With my boxing coach we'll switch off a bit here and there.
But with people i don't know I wouldn't. I don't really speak Spanish beyond basic stuff and cursewords :lol
whether it's pandering or not, i thought it was pretty embarrassing when beto started speaking spanish in a very blatant attempt to avoid the tax rate question, lol
I find it hilarious, always reminds me of comedy bits.
"Tengo un gato en los pantalones. Ah kekekeke!"
"Tengo un gato en los pantalones. Ah kekekeke!"
Huh, I always thought she didn't speak a word. She struggles a bit with the pronunciation but overall you can tell she grew up with it.
What? Your wife from near the brazilian border or somewhere close? No way AOC's spanish is lower than the Castros's who is are not even native speakers.
I think that's it. She just thought AOC sounded real plain. Probably the most correct though!
This is what I think the real concern is. Inability to simply commit to a progressive tax platform to fund programs, and instead trying to talk about loop holes and other garbage taxes that don't help curb income inequality.
Basically more of the same.
I certainly appreciate when non-native speakers approach with a real desire to improve or learn more. It's endearing, and I'm happy to share what I know.
It's far more welcome than the usual 'donde esta la biblioteca' or 'Gato en mis pantalones' comedy gold I usually get. I don't even fake a laugh anymore.
It is pandering. Pretty much everything every candidate does at a debate is pandering. If you dislike a candidate it doesn't somehow uniquely become pandering.
It is not completely empty. Beto was a congressman of the el Paso area where Hispanics are the largest democratic by far and most of them speak Spanish. If you go to southern Texas cities like el Paso and Brownsville and go shopping, eating, etc, the default is Spanish. If you speak English they'll switch and are fluent.
But beto needs to learn to be more concise at these debates, and shut down people like Castro that kept yapling until he stole the time and over a fucking technicality. Wanting to rewrite immigration law and reinstate asylum solves the core issue.
It is not completely empty. Beto was a congressman of the el Paso area where Hispanics are the largest democratic by far and most of them speak Spanish. If you go to southern Texas cities like el Paso and Brownsville and go shopping, eating, etc, the default is Spanish. If you speak English they'll switch and are fluent.
But beto needs to learn to be more concise at these debates, and shut down people like Castro that kept yapling until he stole the time and over a fucking technicality. Wanting to rewrite immigration law and reinstate asylum solves the core issue.
If you're going to evade a question, at least do it with some finesse lol
Yes because it seems opportunistic. The latino vote is important and you have to do better than a sentence here and there. You want my vote then get working on actual policies that actually help people, not display how well or how poorly you can roll your r's
Agreed, it's pandering plain and simple.
That being said, I don't believe that's a bad thing. Pandering has a negative connotation to it, but I have no issue with it all.
I think that what made it pandering here is the lack of appropriate context. Yes it's perfectly valid to speak Spanish due to the large population of Spanish speaking individuals in the US, but kicking off with a scripted opener in Spanish without even answering the question suggests that it was for his benefit more than the benefit of his audience.
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Considering I've made a billion Trump threads on here highlighting his garbage words and actions, no, this is not my primary concern nor is it the most important thing to worry about. This wasn't meant to be a "trash Beto" thread or anything, I was just curious what people thought.
Exactly. He just sloppily dodged the question, and now we have no idea whether he did it to appease lobbyists to get more campaign money, or if he's going to be Biden 2.0 and cater to wealthy Americans and pretend to give a shit about anyone else.
this was horrible. Im sure she can understand it great, but you can tell shes struggling to come up with words.
Horrible? Are you serious? There was nothing wrong with the way she spoke.
Many people who are native speakers of a language but only use it in private settings and not as frequently end up lacking vocabulary and having trouble when speaking in public, as well as mixing it with the native tongue they were schooled in. Eg. Spanglish.
If you only speak Spanish with your family and you don't use it in a professional setting or in public, it's normal that you feel nervous when suddenly you are in front of the whole world using it for a TV interview.
Besides, I think she was simply nervous, and couldn't come up with words because of that, not because she doesn't speak the language well.
Yea context is everything here, I was grossly offended last night because I know how hard it can be to get rid of a "gringo" sounding accent ( I was born here )
Same. I don't mind it as long as it's respectful and not about bad hombres.
Personally, I don't care if a gringo tries to speak in Spanish.
¿Dónde está la biblioteca?
If you are going to write in Spanish, learn how to use the tildes, ¡carajo!
Now, this irritates me.
¿Dónde está la biblioteca?
If you are going to write in Spanish, learn how to use the tildes, ¡carajo!
I think a lot of Latinx Americans are not native english speakers, or may not speak english at all. I'm not sure a lot of those folks post on ERA, especially those who do not speak any english. So you may be getting pretty skewed results. I would imagine a lot of those folks appreciate a candidate who can speak to a huge portion of the electorate that is otherwise not directly addressed. I'm not saying that means they'll agree with his policy or vote for him, but I would find it hard to believe any spanish speaking americans would take issue with a candidate speaking to them.
Su español es por encima del promedio de un latino americano por lejos.
If im in Mexico, I try to speak Spanish as much as I dare (i know my accent is shit and my words are very very limited). Seems like the appropriate thing to do when you visit another country is at least make some kind of attempt to speak their language.
Beto was fuckin' eye rolling pandering.
Beto was fuckin' eye rolling pandering.
"Paradoxically, Julián Castro's appeal to fellow Hispanic voters may be limited by his own assimilation. Although he pronounces his name "HOO-lee-un," he doesn't really speak Spanish — a fact he isn't eager to advertise. La Raza put a high premium on the mother tongue, but Rosie Castro spoke English to her sons, and Julián studied Latin and Japanese in school, while JoaquĂn studied Latin and German. "
That's why.
Edit: I think Beto's was legit. He knows what he is saying but has a white dude accent just like me. Booker's was cringy af and Julian said like 3 words so I honestly wouldn't count it.
Of course its pandering. Just like almost everything else that comes out of a politicians mouth.
1) trump wasn't present at the democratic debates
2) why is trump being a fuckup some kind of excuse for other people to be idiots? just because one thing is really bad doesn't mean two things can't be bad at the same time.
beto is not reading your posts, and he will not send you a thank you card for caping for him in this thread lmao
That seems like it's more respectful to me though. Putting the effort in to learn something that may not be useful in one's every day life speaks volumes to me.
How the hell is learning a second language (even if it was quite clear he wasn't fluent) "an excuse to be an idiot"? That's the complete opposite of what an idiot would do.