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Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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  • Spain's politics remain in deadlock after the centre-left PSOE party of prime minister Petro Sánchez shed a handful of seats but still won the country's fourth general election in as many years, but his left bloc fell well short of the 176 seats needed for a majority in parliament.
  • Despite the far-right, anti-immigration Vox party more than doubling its previous score and the conservative People's party also making sizeable gains, the right was also left without enough seats to form a government after the liberal Citizens party lost four-fifths of its deputies and was all but wiped out.
    • The major national parties' final scores, compared with their tallies in April's elections, were as follows:
      Left 157 seats: PSOE 120 (down 3), Podemos 35 (down 7), Mas Pais 2


      Right 149 seats: PP: 87 (up 21), Vox: 52 (up 28), Citizens: 10 (down 47)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...olls-pedro-sanchez-majority-live-news-updates

Spanish elections: Socialists win amid far right surge

Spain's governing Socialists (PSOE) won the most seats in Sunday's election, but fell short of a majority - and right-wing parties made major gains.

The conservative Popular Party (PP) came in second, and far-right Vox more than doubled its seats to become the country's third most-powerful party.

This is Spain's fourth general election in as many years.

A previous vote in April ended with no clear majority, and the Socialists failed to form a coalition government.

This time, the Socialist party won 120 out of a total of 350 seats - three fewer seats than in April's vote. The PP has 88 seats, up from 66 in the previous poll, while Vox has 52 - up from just 24 in April.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50367870

So, next elections next year? because I don't have much faith on our left to reach a pact after the shitshow this summer...

Also, hi to everyone thinking VOX would be irrelevant. We can be "proud" of having such a strong far-right party right now. Thank you Pedro for making it possible /s
 

MGPanda

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Feb 25, 2018
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We're fucked.
Also, hi to everyone thinking VOX would be irrelevant. We can be "proud" of having such a strong far-right party right now. Thank you Pedro for making it possible /s
You know what's the worst? We're on stalemate right now, which means that unless PSOE wants to self-destruct and have a government pact with PP (which hopefully they won't) or pact with the independent Basque and Catalan parties (which they should, but they won't because the rest of Spain would crucify them), we're mostly heading to a third election, which means even less participation and even more hate, which means more votes to Vox. I hate this country with a passion.
 

Kain

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
7,599
Peter is such a good strategist, he should be proud of having to deal now with the fucking nazis. All thanks to his great mind. All hail Peter the great!

On the bright side kudos to the basquebros as the trifachito obtained jackshit there. Good stuff!
 

TanookiTom

Member
Oct 29, 2017
686
Berlin
Lo siento my Spanish friends! Spain has long been one of the few beacons of hope for me when it came to the success of the far right in Europe, but I guess it was only a matter of time till the trend also caught up there. I hope the party will loose their spark once in parliament, although it hasn't really been the case else where. Guess until the mainstream politics (and especially the left) get their shit together, things will not look too positive on the content.
 

Saray

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Nov 26, 2018
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Six months later...
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Pedro will not be able to form a government with those results.
 
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Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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We're fucked.

You know what's the worst? We're on stalemate right now, which means that unless PSOE wants to self-destruct and have a government pact with PP (which hopefully they won't) or pact with the independent Basque and Catalan parties (which they should, but they won't because the rest of Spain would crucify them), we're mostly heading to a third election, which means even less participation and even more hate, which means more votes to Vox. I hate this country with a passion.

It's kind of amazing because everyone and I mean EVERYONE knew this would happen yet Pedro went full straight on this suicide. He played himself and he's in a worse situation now, but he took us as hostages too.


ok this is good lmao

Its truly a shame what happened to Ciudadanos, but they have nobody to blame but themselves.

They fully deserve it. When you basically turn into PP-2 and validate far-right VOX there's no point in voting them instead of the real thing. I hope Rivera gets the fuck out of here, dude is a scam.
 
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Tiamant

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Oct 28, 2017
1,361
A por ellos, oe!

Voting against the catalans sure is helping people in Spain! Keep the hard stance, Pedro! You're killing it!


Fuck this shitshow of a country.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
4,694
It's worth mentioning that Vox's sudden parliamentary gains are a product of our electoral system.

April 2019 results: ~2.7 million votes, 24 seats
November 2019 results: ~3.6 million votes, 52 seats

Vox has profited immensely from strong gains in areas where "vote value" puts them on a separate league, but also from the recklessness of the left and the implosion of C's. Vox has managed to win seats from the Podemos/Más País split out of electoral calculus (!) and the larger part of C's voters telling Rivera to fuck off (I'll wait to see vote transfer stats, but their loss is so brutal against PP and Vox's gains that everything points towards the average C's voter becoming a political orphan rather than flipping to a different party... which I predicted).

This should be riotously funny if it weren't so tragic.



Half of Vox's success could be blamed straightly on the left+C's active incompetence. It's self-sabotage.
 
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eonden

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Oct 25, 2017
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Who would have thought that moving the elections merely weeks after a predicted reflare of the Catalonian mess would lead to more Vox? Fucking Pedro managed to fuck things up more and probably will lead us to a third election unless PP decides to abstain in the vote.
 

MGPanda

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Feb 25, 2018
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It's kind of amazing because everyone and I mean EVERYONE knew this would happen yet Pedro went full straight on this suicide. He played himself and he's in a worse situation now, but he took us as hostages too.
Absolutely. I mean, I wasn't the huge fan of him, but holy shit I didn't think he would be this huge of an imbecile. He's just gonna reroll elections until he gets an interesting result? Does he know that with each passing day more and more people just hate him for being this egocentric?
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
4,694
We should all congratulate the biggest winner, tho.

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I hope you liked Montoro's budget, because at this rate our grandchildren will inherit it.
 

Villaran

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Oct 28, 2017
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I´m so happy for VOX. Still can´t undestand why people vote for PSOE, Podemos and terrorists...
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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Rivera just had more elegance in defeat than campaigning like a hooligan during the past four years.

FML.

Maybe he can hold hands with Girauta and fuck off into the sunset, never to be heard again.
 
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Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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Rivera out. Let's see if Cs can be somewhat useful for this country again other than giving us memes.
 

Untzillatx

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Oct 27, 2017
1,375
Basque Country
The surge of Vox is terribly worrying and the fault lies entirely on Sánchez. The results are overall concerning, but I am personally content with how things have been managed here in the Basque Country, 0 seats for the right wing national parties. The Basque nationalists and EH Bildu (this latter being the party I voted for) get one of their best results ever.

Congrats to ERC too.
 

Tiamant

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Oct 28, 2017
1,361
The surge of Vox is terribly worrying and the fault lies entirely on Sánchez. The results are overall concerning, but I am personally content with how things have been managed here in the Basque Country, 0 seats for the right wing national parties. The Basque nationalists and EH Bildu (this latter being the party I voted for) get one of their best results ever.

Congrats to ERC too.

One of the few highlights, really. Good job kicking them in the teeth up there.

Another one would be Pedro incapable of giving his "victory" speech due to his supporters chanting "Con Iglesias sí, con Casado no". Really encapsulates the state of the country when your security has to kick out your supporters.
 

Kain

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The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
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Rivera out Arrimadas in? Talk about falling upwards in a spiral of yells and lies. Although the king on the shit mountain is still shit...
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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I can't understand why people vote for Nazis and populist scum :)
Vox has actually played it smartly this time around. They had a proper campaign in the agrarian hinterlands that didn't focus nearly as hard on immigration (hey, they are required for agriculture) or the cranked-up-to-eleven icky ethnonationalist garbage they pull in the cities all day long. Chances are that's why their vote-to-seats ratio went through the roof.

If you saw the messages in the most rural parts of the country you'd think they'd be a very old school agrarian conservative party of the central european tradition (I mean, they were defending the fiesta del cordero). Meanwhile, in the big cities, it's MENA/coup talk all day, every day; very much straight up LePen and AfD political firebombing. Two messages rolled into one party that only cares about power.

Vox knows fully well that people vote with their gut, so they are gaslighting the shit out of everybody in a moment of inflamed opinions with the connivance of a media avid for ratings. But this kind of strategy will only get you so far. I'm willing to bet they are reaching 2015 Podemos status. There's not a lot of space to keep growing from here for a party like Vox unless the PP collapses, which would be a cataclysm. It's also worth keeping in mind that they are going to find themselves in deep shit as corruption cases start piling up. Insurgent parties are not good at taking heat.

Rivera out Arrimadas in? Talk about falling upwards in a spiral of yells and lies. Although the king on the shit mountain is still shit...
Arrimadas has the benefit of not being botomless like Rivera. I don't think she'll repeat his mistakes. She understands the value of cynicism.
 

eonden

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Oct 25, 2017
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Vox has actually played it smartly this time around. They had a proper campaign in the agrarian hinterlands that didn't focus nearly as hard on immigration (hey, they are required for agriculture) or the cranked-up-to-eleven icky ethnonationalist garbage they pull in the cities all day long. Chances are that's why their vote-to-seats ratio went through the roof.

If you saw the messages in the most rural parts of the country you'd think they'd be a very old school agrarian conservative party of the central european tradition (I mean, they were defending the fiesta del cordero). Meanwhile, in the big cities, it's MENA talk all day, every day; very much straight up LePen and AfD political firebombing. Two messages rolled into one party that only cares about power.

Vox knows fully well that people vote with their gut, so are gaslighting the shit out of everybody in a moment of inflamed opinions with the connivance of a media avid of ratings. But this kind of strategy will only get you so far. I'm willing to bet they are reaching 2015 Podemos status. There's not a lot of space to keep growing from here.


Arrimadas has the benefit of not being botomless like Rivera. I don't think she'll repeat his mistakes. She understands the value of cynicism.
Yeah, the timing of the election was the peak moment for Vox. Who would think that a reflare of Catalonia just weeks before election would flare up the right? (everyone)
 

xEik

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Nov 17, 2017
4,422
Principality of Catalonia
Thread needs a poll:
  • Große Koalition: hell will probably freeze before this happens.
  • PP abstention and minority PSOE government: I could see this happening but I was convinced in April PSOE + Cs would be a thing and this looks somehow more complicated.
  • Podemos plus a myriad of nationalist parties voting for Pedro Sánchez: if it didn't work last time I don't see why it would work now.
  • New elections in May: the most likely outcome in my opinion; it kind of suits me fine.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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For context, a map of Vox's support through the country:

Naciones de España, stay winning.
Hot take. "Naciones de España" vote their own ethnonationalist jerks. They are just normalised.

Also, Vox doesn't get shit in Galicia because the local branch of the PP owns the Infinity Stones as far as conservativism goes.
 

Kain

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
7,599
Rivera is jumping ship because Cs is now the new UPyD. They'll probably be residual in the next election.

Maybe he'll create a new party with Rosa Díez. Their name could be "Mediocres sin fronteras". Or "Veletas unidas".
 

eonden

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Oct 25, 2017
17,078
Gotta give credit to Rivera, from being created by higher ups to act as middle ground and allow for differenr coalitions without nationalists, to break off from tjem and nearly replacing PP, to crumbling down because they showed how much they wanted power. All in less than 8 years!!

Hopefully Podemos also changes leadership and acts as a stronger unity, becausr they are slowly going the UI way.
 

andymoogle

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Oct 27, 2017
2,305
Welcome to the rest of fascist Europe :(

I hope this can be sorted out without any far-right involvement. Though it's not looking good :/
 

Kaim Argonar

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Dec 8, 2017
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I hope that the far left party that is Podemos and the center right party that is PSOE look inward to see what they're doing wrong, because they keep focusing on the same stupidities while they shoud be sending the message that they're fighting for workers rights. Podemos in particular has lost and keeps losing the "regular people" vote.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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You periodic reminder that in 2016 and whenabouts Podemos and its allies had:

  • 71 seats despite an incredibly hostile calculus
  • Strongholds and councils in four of Spain's biggest cities
  • A real chance at stealing PSOE's lunch money

2019:
  • 35 seats
  • Two large councils barely holding together
  • A barrel of laughs

Podemos attempt at self-criticism: "the media and the election commission were mean to us".

Fire them from a cannon and into the sun.

Each and every political orphan right now.
 
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MarcelRguez

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Nov 7, 2018
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Hot take. "Naciones de España" vote their own ethnonationalist jerks. They are just normalised.

Also, Vox doesn't get shit in Galicia because the local branch of the PP owns the Infinity Stones. Nothing gets past the Galician PP.
I mean, yeah, that's a pretty obvious conclusion one can come to by glancing at that map alone (with, as you say, the exception of Galiza, which is just more stubborn in its old ways). When presented with these choices, however, I have pretty clear who I'd rather share a bed with, though.

I hope that the far left party that is Podemos and the center right party that is PSOE look inward to see what they're doing wrong, because they keep focusing on the same stupidities while they shoud be sending the message that they're fighting for workers rights. Podemos in particular has lost and keeps losing the "regular people" vote.
God, if only Podemos was actually an actually competent far left party, instead of the meandering mess that it has become.
 

rgnthm

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Aug 10, 2018
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Vox has actually played it smartly this time around. They had a proper campaign in the agrarian hinterlands that didn't focus nearly as hard on immigration (hey, they are required for agriculture) or the cranked-up-to-eleven icky ethnonationalist garbage they pull in the cities all day long. Chances are that's why their vote-to-seats ratio went through the roof.

If you saw the messages in the most rural parts of the country you'd think they'd be a very old school agrarian conservative party of the central european tradition (I mean, they were defending the fiesta del cordero). Meanwhile, in the big cities, it's MENA/coup talk all day, every day; very much straight up LePen and AfD political firebombing. Two messages rolled into one party that only cares about power.

Vox knows fully well that people vote with their gut, so they are gaslighting the shit out of everybody in a moment of inflamed opinions with the connivance of a media avid for ratings. But this kind of strategy will only get you so far. I'm willing to bet they are reaching 2015 Podemos status. There's not a lot of space to keep growing from here for a party like Vox unless the PP collapses, which would be a cataclysm. It's also worth keeping in mind that they are going to find themselves in deep shit as corruption cases start piling up. Insurgent parties are not good at taking heat.

The results in Teruel confirms what you have said. Teruel Existe has avoided the grown of Vox and it has capitalized the implosion of Ciudadanos and the drain of the left. I'm dreaming with the day that an "España Vaciada" party arises: it could damage a lot Vox, PSOE and PP in rural Spain, and, although it couldn't obtain a lot of MP in the Parliament (I think 35 is the ceiling), in the Senate it could get huge results (imagine, if Teruel Existe has obtain two senators, in 30 provinces it could get between 50 and 60 without problems).
 

Bowser

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Nov 7, 2017
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Rivera out. Let's see if Cs can be somewhat useful for this country again other than giving us memes.
But how? Rivera would be the vicepresident right now had he voted in favour of Sánchez just a couple of months ago. And those who disagreed with Rivera's instance left the party so I don't see how things could be any different now. Both Ciudadanos and VOX have constantly been giving goverments to PP, it makes sense that if both parties serve the serve the same purpose voters will eventually choose the one that is more tough on Catalonia. And since those in favour of voting for PSOE left the party I really doubt Arrimadas could change anything now. They're actually so blind that they will probably get even more harsh on Catalonia in an attempt to gain votes back from VOX, which will eventually make the votes they have left go to VOX as well. They've always been fascists disguised as liberals anyway.