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Sovereign Vs. Harbinger
- Thread starter astro
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It's an unfair comparison. Sovereign was at the center of ME1, which its reveal being part of the most well built level in the game. Harbinger was at the background of ME2, and should have shined in ME3. But along ME3's major crimes you can count it butchering that Reaper. Imagine someone saying to you at the end of ME2 that Harbinger wouldn't have a single line in ME3.
Sovereign of course
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Mass Effect - Conversation With Sovereign
While on Virmire, Shepard speaks with the reaper named Sovereign.(PC version)
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me, an alien on the council: uh those are just geth ships used by saren. he tricked you. reapers? fake news
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It's not unfair because Harbinger is best!
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Sovereign is where Mass Effect wrote all the cheques it couldn't cash out, but at least he was menacing. At least he was cool on his own merits and sold that you weren't going to beat the Reapers by shooting them with lots of guns because this one Reaper not paying attention was killed by the entire military of the galaxy.
Harbinger shows up all "your existence is beneath my notice foolish human" and then you immediately punk him and he dies until he shows up ten minutes later with the exact same lines. When you blow up the Collector Base and he angrily screams "you have failed! We will find another way!" I'm not picturing this eldritch monster of ultimate power I have no hope against, I'm seeing a 13 year old on Counterstrike shitting his pants in rage that he lost.
Harbinger shows up all "your existence is beneath my notice foolish human" and then you immediately punk him and he dies until he shows up ten minutes later with the exact same lines. When you blow up the Collector Base and he angrily screams "you have failed! We will find another way!" I'm not picturing this eldritch monster of ultimate power I have no hope against, I'm seeing a 13 year old on Counterstrike shitting his pants in rage that he lost.
Love them both. It's a real head scratcher for me that they didn't have a "face of the Reapers" role in ME3 (either Harbinger again or something new) after it worked so well in 1 and 2.
Sovereign and it's not even close. It's not really either of their fault though, the retconsfor the reapers motivations between one and three destroyed any potential for harbinger to be as cool. The only problem with sovereign is you realized by three that he was totally full of crap have very easily told Shepherd what the reapers mission was if he felt like it.
Sovereign, but
We got a solid couple of years of memes from this, so I'll allow it.
We got a solid couple of years of memes from this, so I'll allow it.
Sovereign is just nostalgia for me. The intro to the reapers in the weakest game of the series.
Harbinger is the one that made it personal though so I choose him. Also the memes are funny.
Harbinger is the one that made it personal though so I choose him. Also the memes are funny.
Sovereign to me always looked like an isolated enemy, while Harbinger definitely was part of a group.
The conversation with Sovereign also isn't one of my favorites. It's too... I don't know, cliché, maybe? The villain who knows things you can never comprehend!
The conversation with Sovereign also isn't one of my favorites. It's too... I don't know, cliché, maybe? The villain who knows things you can never comprehend!
It also never made sense to me that the ancient all knowing cosmic toaster would even bother speaking to you in the first place. Let alone explain their whole evil plan like some B grade monologuing comic book villain.
That whole scene was just.....off.
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Completely unbelievable. Yeah the smack talking Reaper present throughout all of ME2 just happens to be completely silent come ME3. 🤦
I would have been happy if someone told me that. I don't think the reapers should have talked in the first place. Making Sovereign monologue to Shep in 1 like a B grade villain was a terrible choice in my opinion. That whole scene always made no sense to me.
Harbinger's narration was kind of cheesy but also really awesome in ME2, so him being mute in ME3 was so strange and kind of killed his importance. Sovereign introducing the reapers to us may be the most iconic scene in the trilogy.
Yes. That scene was peak Mass Effect. No moment after this one had it beat.
Sovereign believes his own hype and can back it up. You meet him once and he goes all cosmic horror on you then hangs up. Good first impact, kind of fumbles the fight, but he's a final boss, he's allowed to do that and keep his menace.
Harbinger is just a creepy stalker dude. A rather sizable one, I'll admit, but his obsession with Shepard is just kind of sad. You know there's a Shepard shrine somewhere in Harbinger's hull. He's somewhere between jilted ex and guy who won't take no for an answer, except he's a dreadnought sized robot shrimp.
And then Harbinger doesn't even give a proper fight when Shepard offers one. Like, Shepard is right there, go on, put up your oversized health bar and let's go! But no, he just fires a shot, assumed it hit, and floats off. Come back here and confirm the kill, you jerk! Sovereign would!
Harbinger is just a creepy stalker dude. A rather sizable one, I'll admit, but his obsession with Shepard is just kind of sad. You know there's a Shepard shrine somewhere in Harbinger's hull. He's somewhere between jilted ex and guy who won't take no for an answer, except he's a dreadnought sized robot shrimp.
And then Harbinger doesn't even give a proper fight when Shepard offers one. Like, Shepard is right there, go on, put up your oversized health bar and let's go! But no, he just fires a shot, assumed it hit, and floats off. Come back here and confirm the kill, you jerk! Sovereign would!
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Sovereign had an amazing reveal and a fantastic battle sequence only marred by rhe weird Saren Reaperbot.
Harbinger had some cool voice lines in ME2, a haunting cutscene in Arrival, and then proceeded to do fuck-all in ME3. The fact that the face of the Reaper fleet ME2 built up doesn't get any voice lines in ME3 is just baffling.
Harbinger had some cool voice lines in ME2, a haunting cutscene in Arrival, and then proceeded to do fuck-all in ME3. The fact that the face of the Reaper fleet ME2 built up doesn't get any voice lines in ME3 is just baffling.
Sovereign was cosmic horror as hell, and set up the reapers as these incomprehensible god-like beings.
Harbinger sounded really cool and his catch phrase made a funny meme hehe
Harbinger sounded really cool and his catch phrase made a funny meme hehe