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South Carolina Democratic Debate, 8PM ET on CBS | Can Love Bloom on the Battlefield
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> Bloomberg buying out this election and can run as a feasible third party candidate
> Moderates doing the Republican's job of socialist fear mongering
> Liberal media personalities getting close to Fox News levels of unbearable
If Bernie gets the nom and loses to Trump, I don't think it's his policy or even the Republicans who will be to blame... Class solidarity will triumph over the general good once again.
> Moderates doing the Republican's job of socialist fear mongering
> Liberal media personalities getting close to Fox News levels of unbearable
If Bernie gets the nom and loses to Trump, I don't think it's his policy or even the Republicans who will be to blame... Class solidarity will triumph over the general good once again.
These debates are such shit shows. Can't stand watching one all the way through.
Also, why the hell would you have to pay $1,800 for a crowd seat at a debate? Is this the case for all debates? Nobody in their sane mind would pay that much to be there.
Also, why the hell would you have to pay $1,800 for a crowd seat at a debate? Is this the case for all debates? Nobody in their sane mind would pay that much to be there.
lol yes. His impression on the CBB Christmas special two or three years ago was incredible
the equality for all who want it unless the people who have it don't want you to have it plan
Real talk, Bernie's going to have to get better at taking hits going forward. Trump is a bad debater in general, but he only needs one good one to change the direction of a race. I will never forget what happened on the second debate with Hillary when she could have buried his campaigned, but he ended up looking strong and menacing against her. That debate changed it all I feel.
Bernie did that strategically, he ran out the clock so the moderators would force the stage to someone else. If he had stopped talking, buttigieg would have had the floor.
Bernie is a New Yorker. He will out talk someone if he has to.
Basically a false comparison saying we have to choose between Trump's 1950s social order or Bernie's revolutionary 1960s politics. Which is terrible for numerous reasons.
He took a dig at Bernie for supporting the radical 1960's politics. Ya know like the civil rights act and medicare
I like how the audience was just biased enough to ignore his lie about his debate performance but not enough to cheer him for it.
It's amazing how you can transmit your ideas and answer questions when you are given enough time to answer them without being interrupted all the time.
I caught the second half. What a shitshow. Highlights:
Moderators ask 3 candidates open questions about foreign policy where they criticize Bernie. When Bernie asks to respond the moderators tell him not to worry because the next question is "in the same vein" and then ask an extremely loaded question about him supporting dictators.
Klob fake tears and claiming M4A costs 3x the national budget.
Pete going off-topic to attack Bernie and the moderators not allowing Bernie to respond.
Others constantly talking over Bernie.
Attacking Bernie over comments about Cuba repeatedly, then also attacking him for not being soft on Israel.
Moderators ask 3 candidates open questions about foreign policy where they criticize Bernie. When Bernie asks to respond the moderators tell him not to worry because the next question is "in the same vein" and then ask an extremely loaded question about him supporting dictators.
Klob fake tears and claiming M4A costs 3x the national budget.
Pete going off-topic to attack Bernie and the moderators not allowing Bernie to respond.
Others constantly talking over Bernie.
Attacking Bernie over comments about Cuba repeatedly, then also attacking him for not being soft on Israel.
People better not be trying to fend off the fact that this audience was, at absolute best, non representative of the electorate and indoctrinated with a very specific mindset of corporate capitalism that they positively adored. Warren and Bernie got heavily boo'd for fairly mundane things including Warren literally asking for Bloomberg's taxes, which I'm sure Trump will have a fucking field day with and it 100% further kneecaps people in those oversight positions even further.
Could I imagine a South Carolinian audience being less receptive to Bernie and Warren with less loud cheers and maybe some more focus on Pete or Biden? Absolutely. Can I accept that in a week's time, the debate going audience absolutely flipped completely with little to no support for the frontrunner in the field who is polling at second in South Carolina while the man not even on the ballot in SC got huge amounts of applause and cheers from downright mundane to cringe-worthy to absolutely abhorrent comments? Absolutely not.
And the fact that the entry fee was a minimum of $1700 should be all that we need to know. The types of people that attend such an event are either the absolutely out of touch rich portions of the democratic party or people who have literally been paid to be there. I'm not one to traditionally make many conspiracy theories, but Bloomberg is exactly the kind of disgusting asshole who has no respect for the process or the American people to go out of his way to try to create a "better" second debate performance by having an audience on his side alongside him being able to play his ads in the middle of the debate over and over and over again.
Could I imagine a South Carolinian audience being less receptive to Bernie and Warren with less loud cheers and maybe some more focus on Pete or Biden? Absolutely. Can I accept that in a week's time, the debate going audience absolutely flipped completely with little to no support for the frontrunner in the field who is polling at second in South Carolina while the man not even on the ballot in SC got huge amounts of applause and cheers from downright mundane to cringe-worthy to absolutely abhorrent comments? Absolutely not.
And the fact that the entry fee was a minimum of $1700 should be all that we need to know. The types of people that attend such an event are either the absolutely out of touch rich portions of the democratic party or people who have literally been paid to be there. I'm not one to traditionally make many conspiracy theories, but Bloomberg is exactly the kind of disgusting asshole who has no respect for the process or the American people to go out of his way to try to create a "better" second debate performance by having an audience on his side alongside him being able to play his ads in the middle of the debate over and over and over again.
I think he needs to learn to not clap back to every little bitty thing. Stay the front runner, duck and then answer strongly. Sometimes he goes toward the "right for the sake of being right" rhetoric. He needs to improve this by the general.
He won't. As I've said before, Sanders is rigid, and it is his blessing and his curse.
That is a quality that attracts people to him, and I appreciate his consistency, but he can use all the help he can get. Unforced errors regarding Cuba etc. are really not needed.
Either way, I believe in him, I think he can pull it off.
I'm starting to really worry about post-SC primaries, if these types of attacks on Sanders ends up working then the Dems will further degrade to using these right wing tactics, and if they don't have any effect then I wonder how much worse they will get.
My wife is a medical professional. Even I still worry about what could happen if the perfect storm happened and we lost medical coverage. I just want to live in a world where having an illness can be scary enough on its own and not cascade across every domain of your life into total destruction.
Sanders is great but he's got the charisma of a sack of potatoes. If the left could find a candidate that has the anti-establishment pro-working-class fervor of Sanders and the Charisma of Obama they would be unstoppable.
While the spirit of tonight's debate was not dissimilar to a dogfight in the paint, I think you posted to the wrong thread.
literally what.
sanders' demeanor and righteous anger is half his appeal what is this post lol
lol. My bad ya'll. I'll edit that post. I did watch the debate. Nearly gave me a panic attack.
I mean this is almost factually untrue, even if you personally don't like him. His supporters are by far the most invested into his personality and ideas.
I'm not sure you get what being in the lead with this many candidates in the race does to your math. Bernie is the leading candidate- he does not have majority Democratic Party support yet - not by a long chalk.
most Dems are currently supporting other candidates. The point here is to win and consolidate the rest.
he has some of the highest approval numbers among dems in the race, dude. most polls have him at the highest. even if you adjust for name rec
Pete's complete refusal to shut the fuck up when it's somebody else's time to speak is infuriating. If I were Sanders, I would have snapped at some point. Pete thinks it makes him look tough but it makes him look like a dipshit.
I was at a Smash weekly and didn't watch this shit, and based on what I've read I should be grateful.
But someone give it to me straight: did Sanders do bad, or just mediocre? Because he can afford to be mediocre; Biden got away with it for months.
But someone give it to me straight: did Sanders do bad, or just mediocre? Because he can afford to be mediocre; Biden got away with it for months.
He has the highest favorability compared to everyone else. He's the second choice of a lot of the other candidates' supporters.
He did better than mediocre, he did fine. Even CNN puts him in the winner category.
No, he didn't do bad with all things considered. He was attacked from all sides, but he survived despite it all and gave some very good answers to questions.