Sorry, but Mario Sunshine is Incredible.

[NuclearCake]

I'm always reminded of how much i love 64,Sunshine and Odyssey. I started to feel like this place likes to shit on these games for what to me at-least seem completely nonsensical reasons. For real there are people who think that Odyssey doesn't have hand-crafted level design. It's only slightly less extreme version of the "BOTW is auto generated" opinion. Now don't get me wrong these games have some rough edges at times, but that's a pretty miniscule thing to complain about when you master these games. I mean what other Mario games have a skill-ceiling like 64/Sunshine and Odyssey?



Just look at this.

Playing these 3D Mario games is just so satisfying at times that no other 3D platformer really scratches that itch. I mean i would take that platforming section over anything in 3D World. You just can't reach that level of play in that game or even in the Galaxy games. Sunshine just controls so well and is so incredibly tight that my biggest complaint with the game is that there isn't enough of it. On a mechanical front these three games still put most 3D platformers to shame. The best way i can describe the flow of these titles is, that it's like when you master a Donkey Kong Country stage, and you are able to effortlessly traverse it in a blaze of glory. Except in the case of these sandbox Mario games, the entire game feels like a single stage.

Point is Sandbox Mario games are incredible and well worth anyone's time who likes good gameplay in a 3D platformer.

 

[Deleted member 12833]

It's a great game , better than Odyssey

 

[Dest]

why are you sorry it's better than odyssey

 

[Ensorcell]

It really is, I don't give a shit what anyone says!

 

[goddamnimglam]

Apology accepted

 

[Error 52]

A lot of the level design is downright terrible, the camera is abysmal, it's glitchy, and it runs at 30FPS for basically no good reason.

Not a terrible game, but it's the worst mainline game imo (at least with a "relative for the time" clause)

 

[th1nk]

Mario Sunshine 60fps Remaster for Switch please!

 

[alexi52]

Of course it is, it's the best 3D Mario

 

[salromano]

Don't be sorry.

This is the re-release I want from Nintendo the most.

 

[Deleted member 48897]

Like 64 I think it's pretty good when you're not fighting with the camera, but you have to fight with the camera often enough that it's hard to get a good enough feel for the game to pull off some of these more elaborate maneuvers.

 

[Tanooki]

Yeah, it's absolutely fantastic. I feel like most people on here would agree, though.

personal note: Odyssey is the best sandbox Mario.

 

[modoversus]

The FLUDD-less levels were my favorite part, but the rest was good too.

 

[DontHateTheBacon]

This thread is AMAZING.

I think it's much better than it seems people give it credit for, but it's pretty middle of the road.

 

[Glass Arrows]

It's a decently good game but I think the lack of environment variety is a big issue.

 

[Bio]

It's a fine game, just overshadowed by its betters. When you're a mainline Mario game you've got a lot to live up to.

 

[unholyFarmer]

OP you're goddamn right, it is the best 3D Mario game alongside Mario 64. More satisfying gameplay and overall better game than Odyssey for sure

 

[Phendrift]

It really is

I hope Odyssey 2 takes inspiration from its difficulty and cohesive world

I want another Mario game all centered in one area where the levels are all parts of that same area like Isle Delfino

 

[Zetta]

This game gave me my ringtone since it came out so yeah its amazing. Its honestly second only to Odyssey in memorable missions for me and I don't understand why.

 

[steviestar3]

The movement mechanics are good but the game itself is trash. The level and objective design are awful, Yoshi is poorly implemented, the FLUDD jetpack is required for way too many jumps later in the game, the collision is remarkably unpolished for a Mario game (see Pachinko level, holy fuck I can't believe that stage was released the way it was), and the final boss is one of the worst in any game. You have to ignore a lot to say that Sunshine is anywhere near good.

 

[Dukie85]

I usually like the games everybody else hates, but Sunshine is, for me, the worst 3D Mario ever :/

 

[NuclearCake]

The movement mechanics are good but the game itself is trash. The level and objective design are awful, Yoshi is poorly implemented, the FLUDD jetpack is required for way too many jumps later in the game, the collision is remarkably unpolished for a Mario game (see Pachinko level, holy fuck I can't believe that stage was released the way it was), and the final boss is one of the worst in any game. You have to ignore a lot to say that Sunshine is anywhere near good.

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You can beat this entire game without using the hower a single time.

 

[Mutagenic]

You should be sorry.

 

[Comic Obsessed]

Sorry, but no.

 

[MidnightCowboy]

It's a very fun game, but it kinda falls apart because it was rushed. Comfortably the worst 3D Mario game ever made.

 

[Het_Nkik]

A lot of the level design is downright terrible, the camera is abysmal, it's glitchy, and it runs at 30FPS for basically no good reason.

Not a terrible game, but it's the worst mainline game imo (at least with a "relative for the time" clause)

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Yeah, this is pretty much my opinion.

The FLUDD-less areas were the best part of the game, and when that accounts for like 5% of the game, well...

Sunshine felt very tedious, which isn't a feeling I got from any of the other 3D Mario games.

 

[Huey]

It's a great game , better than Odyssey

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why are you sorry it's better than odyssey

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First 2 posts get it.

 

[SantaC]

It's a great game , better than Odyssey

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first reply gets it.

Sunshine gets unfounded hate.

 

[Smurf]

it's a great game, just doesn't feel like a Mario game so I get why some people were disappointed

 

[Deleted member 48897]

Galaxy was a lot more open-ended than I think people give it credit for, at least once you have the purple comets out, but one thing that I think it has over Sunshine is that the game just, like, lets you just go right out and play the shorter, more-contrived secret stages seen in Sunshine straight from the hub area rather than have to traverse most of a level in order to reach it first.

Sunshine has some interesting moments but the whole is definitely less than the sum of its parts since things don't fit well together, and it's weird to even have Yoshi in a context where riding one is less powerful than the jetpack on your back. I agree with the posters saying that Yoshi just doesn't work in this game. (Also, why does the beach cannon in Pinna Park lead to a Yoshi-Island themed secret level and the yoshi-go-round lead to a sunflower-themed secret?)

 

[Tatsu91]

i never got to finish it and only remember playing it as a rental when i was like 12 or so. I am still waiting for an HD remaster

 

[thefro]

Fairly obvious it was rushed out and running out of water for FLUDD and crashing down the stage was frustrating. Some really awful voice acting too.

The FLUDDless levels are good stuff but Galaxy felt way smoother to control.

 

[Nostradamus]

It's not the best but definitely better than odyssey. Galaxy 2 is king imo.

 

[Zojirushi]

That's... not what the majority of this game is tho

 

[Sapiens]

It starts out that way, but it just gets aggravating and boring later on.

 

[MidnightCowboy]

It really is

I hope Odyssey 2 takes inspiration from its difficulty and cohesive world

I want another Mario game all centered in one area where the levels are all parts of that same area like Isle Delfino

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No way, that's like one of the worst parts of the game. No variety in the environments.

 

[boi]

first reply gets it.

Sunshine gets unfounded hate.

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Amen.

Ill say it.

Its not as good as Galaxy but its better than 64.

 

[steviestar3]

You can beat this entire game without using the hower a single time.

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Yeah, assuming that you can play like the guy in the Twitter clip you posted. Which I can't. I have a hard time imagining that most people here could either.

Sunshine gutted the long jump move for no reason which means that most players will have to hover over long gaps. Which is incredibly tedious and obnoxious in stages like Pianta Village where the gaps between the platforms are stretched as far as possible for no good reason.

 

[jsnepo]

Finished the game last week and though was realy frustrated by the collision especially with Yoshi,I actually had fun with it. I especially adores the levels where FLUDD is removed. Those levels were as hardcore as one can get from a 3D platforming game.

I'm playing Galaxy now and disappointed by the linearity of the levels.

 

[Wolf]

I felt Odyssey had tighter controls but I really missed a more consistent art style and theme, which Mario Sunshine absolutely nailed.

 

[NuclearCake]

That's... not what the majority of this game is tho

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Exploring the Levels is just as fun. In fact it's even better since the Fludd adds even more movement options on top of the already excellent base controls.

 

[Weary Bones]

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

I love 64/Sunshine/Odyssey

 

[PixelsByNight]

While good, I'm hoping Nintendo gets on a remaster soon with all the cut out content. That first beach level with the Manta Ray still terrifies me.

 

[Red UFO]

sorry lads but the game is dog shit, not sure what you lot have been playing

 

[Phendrift]

No way, that's like one of the worst parts of the game. No variety in the environments.

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I mean they could fix that part, having varied environments and a cohesive world aren't mutually exclusive

 

[Brood]

I've never witnessed games get constantly shat on so much like how people shat on Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker.
Years later everyone changed their mind about WW. for Mario Sunshine it went to "eh, it's not bad"

 

[Not Spaceghost]

PREAAACCCHHHHH

 

[JahIthBer]

I don't think it's very good at all, it really needed another 6-12 months to get it right, too many ideas & levels were left on the cutting room floor, along with a quick change to 30fps lock due to no time for optimisation, early demo's were 60fps.
Also the main gimmick isn't very fun & seems to be there not because it's good for gameplay, but because Nintendo wanted Gamecube to have a water theme due to it's codename Dolphin.

I will defend the secret levels though, they are very good & it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed's biggest flaw, why couldn't the whole game be the good part instead of the gimmick parts?

 

[RochHoch]

It's a good game, but it's also fairly janky at times and has some godawful levels.

 

[DJ_Lae]

It's maybe not quite as bad as some people say, but it's still one of the worst Mario games ever released. Mario himself may control okay but the level design isn't great, it's weirdly buggy and has an awful camera, and so many aspects of the game feel unfinished. Did they ever talk about it being rushed for release?

It also has some of the worst sequences in the entire series, too. Eely-Mouth? Christ.

I also can't remember if it was the first mainline Nintendo game with voicework, but I remember it being something of a deal at the time and then that end product is...yikes.

 

[Trisc]

The ultimate Summer vacation game. I like to play it during the Winter months. Makes me feel all warm and cozy.