Just by the thumbnail alone I see PS Vita memory cards, the PS3 launch and PSN outage/hack.
Will watch, thanks OP.
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Sony's three biggest mistakes (The Gaming Historian)
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Oh, I agree. I just saw someone mention Puppeteer and thought I'd go along those lines.
Disagree here. Nothing Sony could have done would have saved the Vita.
PSP launched in 2005, ended up selling 80m
The DS launched in 2004, sold about 150m
6 years after the launch of the PSP, the Iphone goes mass market with the iphone 4. It expands to Verizon (previously an AT&T exclusive) and to other carriers shortly after.
In 2009 global iphone revenue was 13billion. By 2014 that number was 100billion. The iphone exploded after the iphone 4 launch and this ignores android. The market for dedicated handhelds got destroyed overnight.
The 3DS hit in 2011 and sales for that were so horrendous at launch MSRP Nintendo was forced to price drop it from $249 to $169 in 6 months. That system sold only 75million units total- less than the PSP and this includes the heavily stripped down 2DS which was sold for as low as $75 new. And this was NINTENDO.
The vita never had a prayer of selling anything no matter what Sony did with it. The primary audience for that was older than nintendos audience for the 3DS, and far more likely to own smartphones. By 2012 there simply wasn't a wide market for a high end standalone handheld Targeting 20somethings.
If Sony does everything suggested with the vita- no high priced memory cards, stronger launch lineup, cheaper MSRP, whatever- it still struggles to 20 million, max.
It should honestly have never released, but it was likely so far along in development by the time it was obvious the market was gone that this wasn't feasible
I do not think Vita was biggest mistake, I like this handheld a lot, for its retrogaming capacity, and the jprgs I played there, got me actually into persona series with golden 4! Awesome!
Biggest mistake in my opinion was the NGE Update on Star Wars Galaxies.
SOE killed this early sandbox Star Wars MMORPG with that, trying to catch WOW. Or was told to do so by Lucasarts.... I am not very clear at this.
This game was not without issues, but it was a sandbox with crafty and steady fan community, community driven commerce.
Have not seen such one since then... Miss it still...
Biggest mistake in my opinion was the NGE Update on Star Wars Galaxies.
SOE killed this early sandbox Star Wars MMORPG with that, trying to catch WOW. Or was told to do so by Lucasarts.... I am not very clear at this.
This game was not without issues, but it was a sandbox with crafty and steady fan community, community driven commerce.
Have not seen such one since then... Miss it still...
Yes, I loved it. The channel is a treasure trove of great content. Watching High Score on Netflix over the past week really made me respect Norm's work all the more. He's in a league of his own imo.
And it still managed to catch up Worldwide, impressive turn around.
It didn't just kill SOCOM, it effectively killed Zipper (although they did release a Vita game in its launch window the following year). Really sad.
Confused as to what you disagree with. I agree with your whole post...
For the record, I didn't mean to say that Vita could have been some immense runaway success, if only they'd done ___________ instead. The market was definitely always against it. I just meant that it could have done a little better than it did if Sony had bothered to adjust their strategy at all from "hey, let's make a much more powerful handheld than Nintendo's with one big screen, that'll crush 'em".
The bigger issue for Vita was not calling it PSP2.
PSP was really well know amongst casuals but if you ever mentioned a Vita they knew nothing about it.
PSP was really well know amongst casuals but if you ever mentioned a Vita they knew nothing about it.
Yeah I did this with my vita, and I sorta hate that I sold my LTE Vita a while back because that slot can be used for the sd card compared to the gamecard slot which I'd prefer honestly.
Yep this is one of the interesting questions, since Dark Souls is huge on PC it's hard to say how much the souls formula would have been influental in a world where the core series remained PlayStation exclusive.
Dark Souls really only took off after it hit PC. And I mean its biggest audience is there still. At the least I definitely don't think we would have so many games aping its mechanics if it stayed PS exclusive.
I kinda disagree.
The 1st should always be how they approached game development as secondary to the development of their console tech itself.
There's also on how they treated third party, that when an easier to develop system, and a more approachable consolemaker came along, a lot jumped ship to create games for the Xbox 360.
The 1st should always be how they approached game development as secondary to the development of their console tech itself.
There's also on how they treated third party, that when an easier to develop system, and a more approachable consolemaker came along, a lot jumped ship to create games for the Xbox 360.
The main problem with the Vita was that it got released. It was the most amazing device back when I still played games on the go and I love it, but there was no market for it. There's no decision that could have saved it, and putting more effort into doing so is effort that couldn't have gone into something more worthwhile. I can see why people point to mistakes made with the Vita, but I can't agree with any of them because they're missing the forest for the trees.
The PSN hack is a big deal but it also pointed Sony toward the proper attitudes regarding online security so it's actually a positive in the end. Obviously it's a horrible mistake for that to happen in the first place, but it achieved the very opposite of lasting damage so it's a huge stretch to call it Sony's biggest mistake. I'd think of it more as more of an honorable mention.
The PSN hack is a big deal but it also pointed Sony toward the proper attitudes regarding online security so it's actually a positive in the end. Obviously it's a horrible mistake for that to happen in the first place, but it achieved the very opposite of lasting damage so it's a huge stretch to call it Sony's biggest mistake. I'd think of it more as more of an honorable mention.
Probably their biggest financial mistakes.
Their biggest mistake is of course the sheer lack of Knack. Where my boy at?!
Their biggest mistake is of course the sheer lack of Knack. Where my boy at?!
Betamax system is still making millions for Sony in the professional market. It made billions in hardware in 30+ years, literally every television in the whole world is using it.
This was 100% me as well, the memory card approach was just insulting as a consumer.
The Vita had a huge number of problems.
I think the white model may have been exclusive to Japan too? (Or launched very late?) After owning black and white PSPs, I knew I did not want another black system, and I think I ended up passing on it altogether because they never made a white OLED model available here.
- The name (PSP2)
- No TV-out
- Proprietary memory cards
- Proprietary charging cable
- Plastic screen
- Ditching OLED with the second revision
I think the white model may have been exclusive to Japan too? (Or launched very late?) After owning black and white PSPs, I knew I did not want another black system, and I think I ended up passing on it altogether because they never made a white OLED model available here.
Definitely, especially with their proprietary shit.
And this.
They looked at Microsoft with the Xbox 360 & thought, "Hey, we can make plenty of revenue off of people, too!".
And this.
They looked at Microsoft with the Xbox 360 & thought, "Hey, we can make plenty of revenue off of people, too!".
The White PSP was bundled with Assassin's Creed Liberation. I have one of those and it's awesome.
Naw. The hack just pulled the plug on SOCOM. Was dead before that. From giving Slant 6 the go ahead of creating Confrontations to Zipper chasing the CoD crowd with SOCOM 4 and it not really being a SOCOM game but in name only.
It's really interesting that PS3 sold 87 million units with all those problems and mistakes. It was available a year after X360, $200 more than X360 and $250 more than Wii (X360 + Wii together were only $50 more than a PS3), its hardware was strange and hard to develop (a game like Skyrim had big problems with PS3, 5 years after release of console), and PSN hack disaster...
I don't think any other console can see that popularity with all those things. But PlayStation's great history and amazing first party titles made PS3 one of the best selling consoles of all time.
I don't think any other console can see that popularity with all those things. But PlayStation's great history and amazing first party titles made PS3 one of the best selling consoles of all time.
I wasn't interested in the PS3 until Demon's was about to be released in the US, and while we have Sony to thank for it existing at all, Atlus/Bandai Namco is the reason it existed outside of Japan. Personally, I am glad in a way that things turned out the way they did, because had FromSoftware stuck with Sony all of this time, we wouldn't have ended up with the PC versions of their games. There's still one egregious omission in that regard too when it comes to performance...
Anyway, that mistake was nowhere near as bad as the hack.
Yeah, Sony have done some bone head shit over the years. Vita being their biggest miss, that thing was literally designed and engineered to fail and no one at Sony stopped and said "wait a minute" before launching it.
Not gonna knock them on PS3, getting Blu-ray out there was worth it.
Not gonna knock them on PS3, getting Blu-ray out there was worth it.
Some of the historical stuff is accurate, especially for the PS3 era, but it's about how you recover from your mistakes. These days, I'm most worried that Sony could pull the plug for certain game servers or withdraw overall support, e.g. with Driveclub and the disappointing longtime Vita software support from first party also falls under this category. It's been a bit of a pattern. Especially worried about my beloved Dreams, though they've said they got a 10-year plan for that one. Furthermore, I'm still not sold on their commitment to BC, they have ground to make up there.
I actually enjoyed my time with the Vita and the PSP before that, sure Sony did gave up quickly and made mistakes with the Vita, but I still had a lot of fun with a lot of great games on it.
Overall these were three big mistakes, personally I think I agree with an earlier post, about the closure of some studios, for example Evolution and Psygnosis, I really enjoyed Motorstorm and Driveclub (later), also no more iconic Wipeout was and is strange, just thinking how cool it would be to get a new Wipeout and arcade/sim mix in the likes of Driveclub with PS5 visuals. Hell or even a Ridge Racer for the system launch, but that's not up to Sony ;)
Overall these were three big mistakes, personally I think I agree with an earlier post, about the closure of some studios, for example Evolution and Psygnosis, I really enjoyed Motorstorm and Driveclub (later), also no more iconic Wipeout was and is strange, just thinking how cool it would be to get a new Wipeout and arcade/sim mix in the likes of Driveclub with PS5 visuals. Hell or even a Ridge Racer for the system launch, but that's not up to Sony ;)
Shu saying "a game that is dear to me" before Demon's Souls remake reveal was my favorite thing of the show
Pretty crazy how much money PSN generates for Sony considering how disastrous the PSN hack was back in 2011 yet Sony turned that around in less than a decade.
I still think that the proprietary memorycards were bad, but most flack came from people who already didn't want to buy a Vita.
my 8GB cards were 44.99 in 2012
A sdcard with 8gb was around 30 and a pro duo was 52 dollar.
Yes it was more expensive, but with all those low prices in the psnshop for me the Vita was cheaper than the 3ds...
my 8GB cards were 44.99 in 2012
A sdcard with 8gb was around 30 and a pro duo was 52 dollar.
Yes it was more expensive, but with all those low prices in the psnshop for me the Vita was cheaper than the 3ds...
I'm saying this was a similar mistake to Demon Souls:
Sony Stalls Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD Localization for Europe and North America - PlayStation LifeStyle
Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD has no release date outside of Japan, and now Capcom has revealed what's stalling Monster Hunter from appearing on the PS3.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
Sure MH is on the up-and-up now, but imagine if they got behind Capcom in 2011 and continued this via advertising.