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Sony's Dualshock 4 restriction for the PS5 raises concerns of accessibility
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I'd expect something similar with future versions of the PS brand. Add a new feature to invalidate an older version and then make people buy more of your stuff. This isn't isolated to Sony. It's just how companies work. Your money is more important to them than your ability to not spend it.
Sony can pretty much do whatever they want due to brand strength and the quality of their exclusives. I'm against pretty much everything they are doing outside of game development and I'm still going to buy a PS5 because of the games. It's sad but how it is when there isn't much competition. Sucks because this specific mistake is so blatantly anti consumer but you sill see people defending it due to the brand loyalty.
Let's hope he can convince them to make this work for people who need it.
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It may very well work better in its default state for some people but that's not the crux of the issue. The DualShock 4 is something that folk have customized and extended to fit their particular needs (be it through an investment of time and/or money) that they now cannot use on new games despite it working at a technical level with the PlayStation 5.
For example:
PS4 + PC One-Handed Custom Controller
PS4 One-Handed Custom Controller Creator
www.evilcontrollers.com
User banned (2 weeks): Dismissive drive-by about accessibility concerns
Bingo.
All I'm gonna say is that if they can make fight sticks and driving setups compatible with ps5 game, they can do The same thing with the ds4.
They should have just made all PS4 accessories non compatible instead of the 1/2 approach
They should have just made all PS4 accessories non compatible instead of the 1/2 approach
"If a frog had wings, would it bump its ass when it hops?"
There's no point in discussing a hypothetical. The reality is that nothing about the input is novel. No new (gameplay-related) buttons, nothing that would stop up-down-left-right-O-X-Triangle-Square-R1-R2-L1-L2 from coming through. It's a cash grab from a multi-billion-dollar corporation.
Funny that Apple can make everything work, Android can make everything work, MS can make everything work, but Sony just... can't map those controls.
Like I said, I'd love to see a full-throated defense instead of just bothsides and whatabout. Explain why it's a good idea to lock out things that would work.
Disclaimer: I've owned every gaming system since NES (except Neo-Geo, but I got the Mini right here). I have no skin in the game except "is this good for me?". I don't need to defend bad actors because they're all I've got.
If there's one thing people posting on the internet are good at it's empathizing and then doing nothing.
It wouldn't, but who knows how these new controllers work with the console. Best to wait and see. If it doesn't look like they do anything new and innovative, and Sony is pulling an Apple, then we can collectively freak out.
In this thread a bunch of people who don't have disabilities telling people with disabilities it's no big deal
Come on guys stop and read what you're writing.
I'm sure if this gets enough attention maybe Sony would change their mind. It's not like people aren't going to be buying dual senses anyway.
Come on guys stop and read what you're writing.
I'm sure if this gets enough attention maybe Sony would change their mind. It's not like people aren't going to be buying dual senses anyway.
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Just because something has been a standard for a long time, doesn't mean it should always be that way. Times change. Sometimes an industry should change with it.
I have a feeling the built in mic and the create button are going to be a reason why the DS4 wont work with PS5 games. The Astrobot game that comes with the PS5 apparently uses the mic and since the DS4 doesnt have that the game just wont work with it.
not sure that i'd be this confident co-signing a post calling disabled gamers obnoxious and entitled but you do you
It would sure be nice if the average gamer could see past their own nose and realize that there are millions of other gamers out there that need a little help to enjoy our favorite hobby. When the adaptive controller was announced it was huge and it's unfortunate that Sony hasn't either worked on their own device or worked with Microsoft to ensure it works on Sony's platform without hacks. Some things are more important than rivalries.
I'll never need to use anything but the Dualsense, but it's pretty indefensible that Sony has completely ignored gamers with special needs this gen and are looking to do the same again this coming up generation.
And if your presence in this thread was to just knee jerk defend Sony or claim it's not a big deal you should be ashamed of yourself and learn some empathy. This place is all about inclusion until it comes to disabilities and then it seems many of you couldn't care less.
I'll never need to use anything but the Dualsense, but it's pretty indefensible that Sony has completely ignored gamers with special needs this gen and are looking to do the same again this coming up generation.
And if your presence in this thread was to just knee jerk defend Sony or claim it's not a big deal you should be ashamed of yourself and learn some empathy. This place is all about inclusion until it comes to disabilities and then it seems many of you couldn't care less.
Is that better? Then you're forcing people to buy an adapter for a controller that is technically natively supported on the console, but simply due to forced obsolesence can't be used on PS5 games.
Outside of simple capitalist "we are a business, and we wan't more money" reasoning, there is no justification for this decision, and it's ridiculous to see so many Sony fans on this forum of all places defending it. That's how it worked in previous generations? That's nice. It's now 2020, your chief competitor is offering compatibility, and you yourself are making the DS4 natively compatible with certain games.
There are no new buttons on the PS5 controller, and there's no reason the DS4 couldn't be supported - except a) Sony trying to push devs to use the new features, and b) you want people to buy new controllers.
When in doubt, assume bad faith on the part of your interlocutors so you can both sides the thing away.
Yeah, people expressing deep concerns that the thread title might be too harsh... on Sony... was definitely a plot twist I didn't anticipate.
But I used the right hashtag on Twitter! And I signalled my moral disapproval in the strongest terms imaginable on a forum! What more do you want?!
In regards to accessibility, I can see Sony partnering with some third party company to build a special controller. They already had one focused on kids and people with small hands. (Of course, people will have to buy a new one as well)
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sony should make a deal with Microsoft and use its accessibility controller. everyone wins
lets see if they do something about it. they should have one by now
lets see if they do something about it. they should have one by now
That is a tricky one for sure. Especially if the Dualshock 4 was accessible to a large number of people who otherwise couldn't play games using other controllers. You'd assume Sony knows that - analytics and all that, and have a plan once the console is out to the public but you never know. You can see them concentrate on the 'mainstream' to sell their first batch of consoles as that is what they have always done, far as I remember. Times and attitudes change though. Be a shame to go from TLoU Part 2's accessibility features to a blanket non-playable controller to anyone not in the 'mainstream'. They baked changing buttons into the PS4 afterwards in the pursuit of accessibility at some point so I assume, but as I said you don't know, they have a plan for down the road?
I think one of the biggest concerns about the Dual Sense is the fact that Sony has a history of shoe-horning features into a controller that aren't even fully used for the entire systems lifespan.
How many games took real advantage of the Touchpad? Or the built-in speaker? Or the lightbar?
How many games took advantage of the pressure sensitive face buttons on the Dual Shock 2? Yes, in the beginning it had them. MGS2 and Gran Turismo 2 are the only games I remember using it.
How many people absolutely fucking hated the Vita's back touchpad? I sure did.
How many games took real advantage of the Touchpad? Or the built-in speaker? Or the lightbar?
How many games took advantage of the pressure sensitive face buttons on the Dual Shock 2? Yes, in the beginning it had them. MGS2 and Gran Turismo 2 are the only games I remember using it.
How many people absolutely fucking hated the Vita's back touchpad? I sure did.
Seeing the "Just use the new controller lol" posts is quite disappointing. It's not like people are asking Sony to dumb down their console or anything. People who need accessibility options are asking to be able to use the controllers that they already have, which work best for themselves.
Sony really needs to follow Microsoft's lead on the accessibility controller. That thing is amazing. It's especially sad to see Sony's lack of hardware offerings after TLOU 2 had such amazing accessibility software options.
Sony really needs to follow Microsoft's lead on the accessibility controller. That thing is amazing. It's especially sad to see Sony's lack of hardware offerings after TLOU 2 had such amazing accessibility software options.
The DualSense is trying a lot of new things. So I don't think it's as simple as "same buttons/controller?!". Playing the new Astro Bot that's supposed to showcase these new features, wont be possible without the DualSense because it is designed with it in mind.
While I like the commitment to these features/"gimmicks" because it shows they want to try and make these features meaningful to their games; or at least justify the controller, it is a blindspot of the DualSense and the tech.
If there was a way to make the DualSense's features accessible to more people that would be great. But yeah hopefully they are working on a some solution for people with disabilities on the PS5.
While I like the commitment to these features/"gimmicks" because it shows they want to try and make these features meaningful to their games; or at least justify the controller, it is a blindspot of the DualSense and the tech.
If there was a way to make the DualSense's features accessible to more people that would be great. But yeah hopefully they are working on a some solution for people with disabilities on the PS5.
Consumers got upset when Apple and eventually Android devices got rid of their headphone plugs. Many threatened to jump hardware but we see the market doesn't bear out those threats.
Consumers will either adapt or leave. No point getting worked up about it. Hooray for competition.
Consumers will either adapt or leave. No point getting worked up about it. Hooray for competition.
"This thread is about concerns of accessibility for disabled gamers. Please show sensitivity before you post."
I hope everyone reads this before posting...
I hope everyone reads this before posting...
Pretty sure you can currently use mics alongside a DS4 despite it not being built into the controller.
So are you gonna tell me what your point was or just keep me in constant suspense?
Yeah fuck those obnoxious entitled disabled people.
Absolutely amazing takes here.
The issue is not that people are insensitive to the needs of disabled gamers. The issue comes from people becoming reactionary from the news without having even played with a DualSense to make said judgement. Hopefully Sony sees the concerns and maybe reaches out to the community to help alleviate any issues before launch, but there's no need for the reactions we are seeing.
Some third party accessory makers will probably make adapters for PS5 like they have for PS4 and Switch to use different controllers so there's that at least.
Sony should definitely be up on this though when ND did what they did with TLoU2 and MS with their accessibility controller.
Sony should definitely be up on this though when ND did what they did with TLoU2 and MS with their accessibility controller.
Adapt? Gamers are asking for accessible options here because they are trying to adapt to their capabilities. Your iPhone comparison is really off base in that regards given huge steps Apple has made for it to be accessible for a huge range of people with different needs.
The title before was a bit more provocative so the title change and not should change the convo going forward hopefully.
Ah yes, the most obnoxious and entitled people in existence: disabled people.
As someone with a disability it sucks to see the callous attitude people have towards us but I guess it's nothing new, it's always "fuck you got mine".
when playstation's accessibility consultant is already saying this:
why wouldn't there be cause for the reaction we're seeing?
From what we've seen aside from the haptics, there is NOTHING the DualSense is doing that the DualShock 4 can't do. Hell I guarantee you can turn all the haptics stuff off. So there's no reason currently known for a lack of compatibility.
Everyone should be allowed to pick up the console whenever they want and come to their own conclusion, instead of being forced to wait for a solution later because Sony did not think about accessibility options for launch.
I disagree. I see several posts just within the last few pages of people being insensitive to the needs of disabled gamers. People are allowed to be upset when the only controller they have been able to use well is no longer accepted. And sure, they may be able to enjoy the Dual Sense, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to voice their frustration.
I see literally no reason as to why the DS4 shouldn't work with PS5 games. The "harder triggers" better be optional or else that's terrible for accessibility. And that's the only major feature the dualsense has over the dualshock 4.
Thank you for the title change to actually match the content of the OP mods, should help discussion.
i doubt anyone on era is like this. the title was a little shady. there is no excuse for the lack of accessibility. sony should have more options
I took the modified/hacked controller comment from this part of the twitter thread :